Democratic Underground Latest Greatest Lobby Journals Search Options Help Login
Google

BUSH/SAUDI EVACUATION

Printer-friendly format Printer-friendly format
Printer-friendly format Email this thread to a friend
Printer-friendly format Bookmark this thread
This topic is archived.
Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU
 
caber09 Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 06:53 PM
Original message
BUSH/SAUDI EVACUATION
Hey does anyone have any links to the stories about the flying out of Bin Ladens right after 911, I already have NY Daily News, Edinburgh Times, anything else,including links to Vanity fair will be helpful. Thanks in advance!

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 07:04 PM
Response to Original message
1. Here ya go
NY Times: "White House Approved Departure of Saudis After Sept. 11, Ex-Aide Says"
http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/04/politics/04SAUD.html

& a story from the October 5th Tampa Bay Times 2001, "Phanton Flight from Florida":
http://web.archive.org/web/20011108145853/http://www.tampatrib.com/MGA3F78EFSC.html

Vanity Fair Press Release (from v. early September)

* to the moderators: I hope this is okay to post in full as I don't know if it is online & as a press release I would assume that it doesn't have copyright restrictions, but huge apologies if I've broken any rules & please edit it down *

Press release from Vanity Fair:

FORMER COUNTERTERRORISM CZAR TELLS VANITY FAIR HOW BIN LADENS AND OTHER SAUDIS WERE CLEARED TO FLY OUT OF U.S. AFTER SEPTEMBER 11; GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS DENY FLIGHTS EVER TOOK PLACE

NEW YORK, N.Y.- Former White House counterterrorism czar Richard Clarke tells Vanity Fair that the Bush administration decided to allow a group of Saudis to fly out of the U.S. just after September 11-at a time when access to U.S. airspace was still restricted and required special government approval. According to other sources, at least four flights with about 140 Saudis, including roughly two dozen members of the bin Laden family, flew to Saudi Arabia that week-without even being interviewed or interrogated by the F.B.I.

Officially, the White House has declined to comment. But a source inside the White House says that the administration is confident that no secret flights took place and that there is no evidence to suggest that the White House ever authorized such flights. An F.A.A. spokesman, Chris White, told the Tampa Tribune that a flight on September 13 did not even take place. “It’s not in our logs. It didn’t occur.” In addition, the F.B.I. denies that it played any role in the repatriation.

But Vanity Fair writer Craig Unger interviewed Dan Grossi, a private eye and former Tampa Police Department officer who received a call two days after 9/11 asking him to escort Saudi students on a flight from Tampa to Lexington, Kentucky, even though private planes were still grounded nationwide. “I was told it would take White House approval,” Grossi tells Unger. But when the plane’s pilot showed up, they took off.

At the time, Richard Clarke chaired an ongoing crisis group in the 18-by-18-foot Situation Room in the West Wing of the White House. Vice President Dick Cheney and National-Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice were hunkered down managing the crisis, and Colin Powell, C.I.A. director George Tenet, and Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld came and went. “Somebody brought to us for approval the decision to let an airplane filled with Saudis, including members of the bin Laden family, leave the country,” Clarke tells Unger. “My role was to say that it can’t happen until the F.B.I. approves it. And so the F.B.I. was asked-we had a live connection to the F.B.I-and we asked the F.B.I. to make sure that they were satisfied that everybody getting on that plane was someone . . . O.K. to leave. And they came back and said yes, it was fine with them. So we said, ‘Fine, let it happen. . . . I asked them if they had any objection to the entire event-to Saudis leaving the country at a time when aircraft were banned from flying.”


Clarke, who headed the Counterterrorism Security Group of the National Security Council, now runs a consulting firm in Virginia and does not recall who initiated the request for approval. He says it was probably either the F.B.I. or the State Department, both of which have denied playing any such role.


“It did not come out of this place,” says a State Department source. “The likes of Prince Bandar does not need the State Department to get this done.”

“I can say unequivocally that the F.B.I. had no role in facilitating these flights one way or another,” Special Agent John Iannarelli, the F.B.I.’s spokesman on counterterrorism activities, tells Unger.


However, Saudi Arabia’s director of information, Nail al-Jubeir, said that the flights had been requested by the Saudis and were authorized “at the highest level of the U.S. government.”

After the September 11 attacks, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, the Saudi ambassador to the United States, was in Washington orchestrating the exodus of about 140 Saudis scattered throughout the country who were members of, or close to, the House of Saud, which rules Saudi Arabia, and the bin Laden family. By coincidence, even before the attacks, Bandar had been scheduled to meet President Bush in the White House on September 13, 2001, to discuss the Middle East peace process. The meeting took place as planned. Nail al-Jubeir tells Unger that he does not know if Bandar and the president discussed getting the bin Ladens and other Saudis back to Saudi Arabia.

Some Saudis tried to get their planes to leave before the F.B.I. had even identified who was on them, Unger reports. “I recall getting into a big flap with Bandar’s office about whether they would leave without us knowing who was on the plane,” an F.B.I. agent says. “Bandar wanted the plane to take off, and we were stressing that the plane was not leaving until we knew exactly who was on it.” Dale Watson, the F.B.I.’s former head of counterterrorism, tells Unger that while the Saudis were identified, “they were not subject to serious interviews or interrogations.” The bureau has declined to release the Saudis’ identities.

The wealthy bin Laden family long ago broke with their terrorist brother, Osama, but Unger reports that some members of the family have had links to militant Islam. Abdullah and Omar bin Laden had been under F.B.I. investigation for their involvement with the American branch of the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), which has published writings by one of Osama bin Laden’s principal intellectual influences. According to documents obtained by the Public Education Center in Washington, the file on Abdullah and Omar was reopened on September 19, 2001, while the Saudi repatriation was under way. A security official who served under George W. Bush tells Unger, “WAMY was involved in terrorist-support activity. There’s no doubt about it.”

The Saudis’ planes took off from or landed in Los Angeles, Washington, D.C., Houston, Cleveland, Orlando, Tampa, Lexington, Kentucky-and Newark and Boston, both of which had been points of origin for the September 11 attacks. “We were in the midst of the worst terrorist act in history,” Tom Kinton, director of aviation at Boston’s Logan airport, tells Unger, “and here we were seeing an evacuation of the bin Ladens! . . . I wanted to go to the highest authorities in Washington. This was a call for them. But this was not just some mystery flight dropping into Logan. It had been to three major airports already, and we were the last stop. It was known. The federal authorities knew what it was doing. And we were told to let it come.”

“I asked to make sure that no one inappropriate was leaving,” Clarke tells Unger. Clarke assumed the F.B.I. had vetted the bin Ladens prior to September 11. “I have no idea if they did a good job. I’m not in any position to second-guess the F.B.I.”

Prince Bandar has had a 20-year friendship with former president George H. W. Bush. Unger questions whether the long-standing Bush-Saudi relationship could have influenced the administration. The latest in a line of business links between the Bush family and the Saudis involves the Carlyle Group, a private-equity firm for which George H. W. Bush is a senior advisor and former secretary of state James Baker III is a senior counselor. The Carlyle Group has received $80 million in Saudi investment, Unger reports, including $2 million from the bin Ladens which was returned to them after September 11. In 1995, Abdulrahman and Sultan bin Mahfouz invested “in the neighborhood of $30 million” in the Carlyle Group, according to family attorney Cherif Sedky. Abdulrahman bin Mafouz was a director of the Muwafaq Foundation, which has been designated by the U.S. Treasury Department as “an al-Qaeda front.” (Carlyle categorically denies that the bin Mahfouzes are now or have ever been investors.)

Clarke believes the decision to let the Saudis go was made because “there’s a realization that we have to work with the government we’ve got in Saudi Arabia. The alternatives could be far worse. The most likely replacement to the House of Saud is likely to be more hostile-in fact, extremely hostile-to the U.S.”

The October issue of Vanity Fair hits newsstands in New York on September 3 and nationally on September 9.

Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
caber09 Donating Member (161 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 07:13 PM
Response to Reply #1
2. Thank You Very Much
Thank you very much, anyway you can get the NY Times link to work without having to register? I live in NYC, was in Manhattan that day, lost a few friends, the fact that our president protected the enemy with our tax money is terrible, but then again everything that has been done since Jan 2001 has been disastrous. Thank you again for your help.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Monkey see Monkey Do Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-09-03 07:37 PM
Response to Reply #2
3. No worries -- NTY article for you
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
Paschall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 03:58 AM
Response to Original message
4. This thread from DU v.1 might be of some help
Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 04:02 AM by Paschall
Has quite a few links, some to marginal issues, but interesting nonetheless.

One link that is missing is the Washington Post story (I believe)--an interview with Prince Bindar, Saudi ambassador to the US who requested the airlift. Can't find that at the moment.

DU v.1: Secret Saudi Flight on 9/13
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 05:48 AM
Response to Original message
5. There were also stories
that Jeb Bush was on the flight that left from Florida. Funny how Jeb always turns up to do some dirty work for the rest of his family. He is such a loyal son and brother.
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 05:52 AM
Response to Original message
6. Here is a link from October of 2001...
Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 05:57 AM by kentuck
It gives some interesting details...

http://www.dirtybush.com/connectthesedots

(comment)

The most interesting stopover, in my opinion, is the Lexington, KY stop. Prince Ahmed (sp?) was the horse trader that has been fingered as a money man for Al Qaeda just in the last week or so. Was he picked up in Lexington. If so, we permitted Al Qaeda operatives to escape this country when no one else could board a plane. Because Prince Bandar is a long-time friend of the Bushes...more than scandalous...criminal

(edited for comment)
Printer Friendly | Permalink |  | Top
 
DU AdBot (1000+ posts) Click to send private message to this author Click to view 
this author's profile Click to add 
this author to your buddy list Click to add 
this author to your Ignore list Thu Apr 25th 2024, 10:06 AM
Response to Original message
Advertisements [?]
 Top

Home » Discuss » Archives » General Discussion (Through 2005) Donate to DU

Powered by DCForum+ Version 1.1 Copyright 1997-2002 DCScripts.com
Software has been extensively modified by the DU administrators


Important Notices: By participating on this discussion board, visitors agree to abide by the rules outlined on our Rules page. Messages posted on the Democratic Underground Discussion Forums are the opinions of the individuals who post them, and do not necessarily represent the opinions of Democratic Underground, LLC.

Home  |  Discussion Forums  |  Journals |  Store  |  Donate

About DU  |  Contact Us  |  Privacy Policy

Got a message for Democratic Underground? Click here to send us a message.

© 2001 - 2011 Democratic Underground, LLC