Why Joe Lieberman Will Be President

[Procopius]

"The first of the presidential primaries is five months away. Isn't it a little early to write off Connecticut's contender, U.S. Sen. Joseph I. Lieberman? .............-SNIP-.."

http://www.norwichbulletin.com/news/stories/20030907/opinion/208230.html

[CMT]

1. don't agree

You see if Lieberman doesn't do well in Iowa or in NH he is toast too--especially NH since it is in Joe's new england backyard as well. Ok, then what? South Carolina? Edwards might take that one and if he does he could become Dean's strongest opponent. Where is Joe going to make his stand? he seems to be falling off everywhere.

[joeybee12]

3. Didn't read the article because...

...if you've posted the title, then the author is nuts. Holy Joe doesn't have a prayer. He's falling fast!

[newsguyatl]

23. not a chance!

lieberman is a loserman

[Tinoire]

2. If anything all the booes will kill him n/t

[jeter]

4. He will lose all the early primaries.

He won't win shit.

[Procopius]

8. Prepare to eat some if he does n/t

[karlschneider]

27. I didn't even read the whole thread, but I wouldn't vote for Holy Joe

if he were running against Fidel Castro.
Or Adolph Hitler.
Or Pinochet.
Or Papa Doc Duvalier.
Or.....well, point made.

[sfecap]

5. He might have a better chance running as a rethug.

After all, he pretty much is one...

[dolstein]

13. If Joe's a Republican, then so is Bill Clinton

NT

[Patriot_Spear]

6. ...and the difference between Joe and Bush* is...?

Help me out here, I don't see any.

I'm ABB, but I could easily be ABBAJ (Anyone But Bush And Joe).

[Clete]

7. He won't get through the primaries unless

he plays by the Repuke rules and lies about everything like they do. Promise them everything they want, then bait and switch. Of course even if he does that, since liberals are better educated, they will no doubt look at his past record and compare. Then it's still is bye bye, Joe.

[Procopius]

9. He is kicking ass in Oklahoma and Arizona n/t

[maxanne]

12. he's kicking insteps

in NH.

Say no to DINO Joe. :eyes:

[oasis]

Why not grace us with a pic of Joe instead of Al Sharpton?

[Pastiche423]

16. He ain't kicking jack

It has been said a time or two lately, that the '04 elections will be about base.

The Dems need their's and the repugs need their base, not the swing voters to win.

Wtf is holy joe's base? It certainly isn't the Dems.

He was out of the race over two debates ago, w/his voucher remark bbos.

[karlschneider]

28. Uh, I am IN Oklahoma. I have yet to find A SINGLE PERSON who would

support that moron.

[uconnyc]

10. People in CT are getting tired of him

As a native CT resident, I can tell you that people in CT are getting tired of him. JL is yesterdays news. Frankly, I'm looking for him to retire so we can get a true Democrat to represent us Nutmeggers.

[liberalnurse]

11. Lieberman is *bush lite.....

I hate the DINO.....I bet so does Gore. He is a fraud.

[Procopius]

14. Why do you mean by "fraud"? n/t

[cosmicdot]

24. so, are you supporting LIEberman or Sharpton

confusing

[Procopius]

25. Both

Whichever one gets the nomination.

The sad fact is Sharpton has a snowballs chance in hell cause he is black.

[DebbieCDC]

15. What's the difference....

....between Liberman & Shrub? One is Bush, the other Bush-lite. One is a Repuke, the other the DLC standard bearer. Flip sides of the same coin. :puke:

[The Backlash Cometh]

17. What picture do you think was planted on the NYTimes online?

<sigh>

[Jack Rabbit]

18. This is wishful thinking

If Lieberman faulters early, put a fork in him. What Mr. Hacket neglects to mention in his analysis is that if Dean finishes first in those races, with Gephardt second in Iowa and Kerry second in New Hamphsire, Lieberman can't be doing any better than third in either. If that holds up, Dean will be on his way.

[Champion Jack]

19. Bah...

Holy joe must go, Gephardt should bow out too.

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

20. Lieberman couldnt win a dog catchers seat in USA

Lieberman as a Democrat candidate is the surest way
to assure Bush another 4 years.

Thats why the Repugs just love old Joe.

this is coming from a former Lieberman donor.
I used to like & respect Joe, but no longer.


Just another spineless bush enabler.


Joe should just call himself what he really is -

A Republican who likes Bush.

[Procopius]

21. So he didn't win his senate seat?

How funny.

[alcuno]

22. He won his seat in the Senate, but that's not a national election.

Lieberman has very little appeal to the Democratic base in this country; the base is considered to be about 30% of the overall electorate with Republicans having a slightly smaller base.

So of that 30% who will vote in the primaries, Lieberman will appeal to a very small percentage. That's just how primaries work.

[protect freedom impeach bush now]

26. in USA. Joe couldnt win but a couple of states (maybe not that)

Joe couldnt win nationwide.

The Democrats do not like him.

The Liberals dont like him.

The progressive dont like him.

The Southerners just dont care enough to vote for him.


He has ZERO national appeal. He may do fine in NE states,
but nationwide he's got nothing that gets people excited
enough to even bother to vote.


sorry, he may be just fine for his Senate seat, but
nationwide he just doesnt have what it takes.

No charisma. Just a Republican-lite who ass-kisses Bush.

[ButterflyBlood]

29. agreed

he'd win the base states by default, but that's it.

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[fujiyama]

31. I personally don't know

if DU is represenative of those democrats that vote in the primaries, but I think it is to some extent. I think those dems living in more conservative states, who for some reason or the other look at Dean as too liberal, would end up voting for Kerry instead. Kerry, while trying to remain somewhat hawkish, also has a great war record, and has a great senate record as well, appealing to most democrats.

Many are dissapointed in Kerry for the war vote, but it seems as though there are many Dean supporters on this board that would vote for Kerry if Dean lost out. Lieberman doesn't bother me nearly as much as he does the others on this board, but I don't see him bringing out the base too well. One thing, for sure, is you can't win the general election without winning your base. Lieberman also hasn't done himself a favor in attacking the left as much as he as. Also his support of policies such as school vouchers will appeal to few in the democratic party.

One thing Lieberman still has in those states that don't have much campaign coverage, is name recognition for the '00 campaign. That helps a lot. Among democrats polled, many still haven't heard of Dean, though these are what I would consider "marginal democrats", the kind that believe Saddam had a part in 9/11, and possibly voted for Bush as well.

After all there were more republicans that voted for Bush, than there were Democrats that voted for Gore. It's a pretty large difference. About 15-20% is my guess. These are the people that voted on "personailty" and Gore being "mean" and other such trivial nonsense. Still, we need all the votes we can get. If it's possible that Dean can win most Greenies, say 2% or so, that helps, but the question is, does Dean turn off centrists and swing voters? I don't think he should, but the media'll spin it that way -- that he's too liberal, too out of touch with the mainsteam coming from a "hippie" state...Oh well, time will tell...