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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:54 AM
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New DU feature: The Greatest Page
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 01:34 PM by Skinner
As Democratic Underground has grown larger and busier, it has become increasingly difficult to find the most interesting or noteworthy topics. With thousands of threads posted each day, it's virtually impossible to wade through them all to find the best ones. With this in mind, we have created a new function for the message board, which we call the Greatest Page. Now you can easily find the Latest and Greatest discussion topics on the Democratic Underground message board. (Get it?)

The Greatest Page lists discussion topics which have been recommended by DU members. Topics can be recommended for 24 hours after they are first posted on our message board. The Greatest page shows topics that have received at least two recommendations, and topics remain on the page for 48 hours. To recommend a topic, click the link on the post that says "Recommend Topic for Greatest Page." Members are unable to recommend their own topics.

To go directly to the Greatest Page, click this link:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=greatest_threads

You can also access the Greatest Page by clicking the "three thumbs-up" icon at the top of the forum Lobby and Latest pages. Or you can click the blue link at the top left corner of each page, which says "Lobby / Latest / Greatest".

We are very excited about this upgrade. We believe it will make it much easier for visitors to find the best stuff on DU. Enjoy!

Skinner
DU Admin

Please be aware that the DU administrators can easily track which members recommend which threads. Individuals who abuse this feature will lose the privilege of recommending topics.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:55 AM
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1. wow, a DU Hall of Fame
cool
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meganmonkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:56 AM
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2. Neato!
Positive reinforcement, good idea.

I can't believe I said 'neato'

:P
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King Coal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:58 AM
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4. KEEN!
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southpaw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:18 PM
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11. Gee, that's really swell!
I feel like Jerry Mathers
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:46 PM
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18. That Animated Ying Yang Rocks!
Why didn't I think of it?:P
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 11:56 AM
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3. I love it. Thanks. n/t
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:07 PM
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5. Thanks! And a question/suggestion:
Is it possible to set it up so when the page loads the topics are sorted by those with the most votes? To be honest, I'm not sure this would be desirable, but then again, why not?

Thanks again,

BMU
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:08 PM
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6. Take a look at the right column
Under "Most Popular"
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Beam Me Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:18 PM
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10. DOHH! (slaps head) Thanks Skinner :-) Edit to add:
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 12:19 PM by Beam Me Up
This will help a lot. Usually I only go to LBN or GD for information--and I know I'm missing out on other interesting things in other forums but I only have so much time.

Great feature, thanks.

BMU
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:12 PM
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14. You're welcome.
;-)
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RevolutionaryActs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:14 PM
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7. Whoa! That is too cool!
:yourock:
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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:16 PM
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8. This rocks, thanks!
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underpants Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:17 PM
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9. Okay but I hope everyone isn't upset with all my threads on there
:bounce:
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gollygee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:27 PM
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12. Wow - fabulous!
what a great idea!
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 12:36 PM
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13. I love it!!! Beats wading through all the Lounge nonsense.
:toast:
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thefloyd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:15 PM
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15. What about a freeper hall of fame to
supplement the Du latest and greates
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hvn_nbr_2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:35 PM
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16. Great idea
DU has become my central clearing house for news. I don't even go to regular news sites directly any more. If anything interesting happens, someone points it out here, usually with a better source than I'd have found.

But it has become impossible to wade through the volume on LBN and even more impossible to search for the gem threads in other places. I've been trying to think of a suggestion on how to make it easier and better, but you came up with this before I came up with any good ideas.

One question: Will topics gradually scroll off the bottom of the page as they do off the homepage, or will they stay and eventually be archived as in regular forums?
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 01:38 PM
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17. Topics remain on the Greatest Page for 48 hours.
After the topic's 48 hours are over, it is automatically removed.

The topic is saved permanently in its regular forum archive.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:38 PM
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19. I don't really like it
Sorry. I just think it makes DU feel competitive. I wish there were another way to filter out the more frivolous threads - maybe a sort that just shows News & Views forums, or something like that. The Greatest page is kind of making DU into a contest.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:58 PM
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20. I understand your concern.
But personally I do not think it fundamentaly changes DU. If anyone does not wish to click on the Greatest Page, they are not required to do so.

All it does is provide a method to sort through all the stuff that gets posted here. Is it a perfect method? Of course it is not. But it has some value. And it is especially useful for people who only stop by occasionally, and do not have time to read through everything.

As for the frivolous threads, I don't really think it's a huge problem at the moment. Currently, I believe there are only three Lounge threads on the entire Greatest Page, and one of them (about Khephra) is likely of interest to a large number of people who don't often visit the Lounge.
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Padraig18 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 02:59 PM
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21. This ROCKS, Skinner!
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 03:00 PM by Padraig18
Kudos to you guys for adding this fantastic feature!

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Bluebear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 03:07 PM
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22. never mind i get it now
Edited on Fri Feb-11-05 03:50 PM by Bluebear
I thought it was a whole other forum with just the 'greatest' posts, not ajust a page :) duh
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 03:36 PM
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23. May be more appropriate for "ask admin", but since there is a thread
1. How does this affect the "nominate for home page" nomination process?

2. Once an item is on the new "greatest" page, should we show further support and vote for the best of the best?
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:13 PM
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27. Answers.
1. The "nominate for homepage" process is the same. The only difference is that the link says "recommend for greatest page."

1. You are encouraged to vote for any thread you think is worthy. The right column lists threads by number of votes.
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Goldom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 05:37 PM
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28. not sure that really answered the question-
still confused myself. Does clicking "nominate for greatest" also send a nomination for the homepage? If so, it seems the admins will be swamped with nominations to look thru for the homepage, for pages people merely think are good enough for the greatest page - which is a broader spectrum than the best of the best that go on the front page.
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 06:30 PM
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29. But we'd prefer to have a larger group of things to choose from.
Recommending for the greatest page automatically sends a nomination for the homepage. This is not a problem, because we actually want more nominations for the homepage. We haven't been receiving enough nominations, and I usually have to go looking for stuff myself.

The homepage nominations are checked by the admins, and we select what to put on the homepage.
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NewYorkerfromMass Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 03:56 PM
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24. How can you abuse the feature?
I first thought that more than 2 recommendations might be a better filter, and I notice that while there are a lot of posts up now, it doesn't seem like too many, so maybe just 2 is O.K.
I do notice that they are arranged by number of nominations, and so it would seem that there is a certain value to getting more than 2 nominations in order to get to be closer to the top of the page.
This makes it tempting to "pile on" and nominate a favored topic even though the topic is already on the page- for example I was surprised by some of the threads with only 2 nominations. Reordering the posts chronologically would eliminate that temptation, although perhaps defeating the ability to see what is the "greatest of the greatest".

Anyway, it increases the value of the forums about one thousand fold.
Thanks!
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:11 PM
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26. It's arranged chronologically and by number
Check the two columns. The center column is chronological. The right column is by number of votes.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 04:06 PM
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25. Very Cool
:thumbsup:
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AuntiBush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 07:36 PM
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30. Kewl Beans, Baby!
I can't believe I just used that old term! Age-showing alert!

:bounce:
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 08:28 PM
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31. I think this is a really great idea ....
And would like ot commend whomever came up with it. It is a great idea because it keeps the really good threads from disappearing so quickly and a person can check into DU about any time of the day and get the top stories of the day. And then can post on it if he/she wishes and bring it back up for further discussion. Congratulations to the very bright person. :)
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hootinholler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-11-05 09:08 PM
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32. kick N/T
-Hoot
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elshiva Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 12:08 AM
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33. Thank You, Skinner!
YEEEEEEEAARGGGGGGGH!
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Liberty Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 12:38 AM
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34. This is great! Can we post the "Take Action" list in a handy place?
I've begun posting a new"Take Action" list every few days with links to action alerts (petitions, sending letters to Congress, etc.) on important issues.

It would be great if you could find a place where this would stay up long enough for everyone to have a chance to participate. Thanks!

Here's today's "Take Action" alert:

TAKE ACTION!

Today’s New Alerts: DU these, please, and kick so everyone can help!

“CLEAR SKIES” UP FOR VOTE NEXT WEEK: URGE CONGRESS TO OPPOSE THIS AIR POLLUTORS' BONANZA

Dirty Secrets Behind the Misnamed "Clear Skies" Bill
Over 30,000 Environmental Defense activists have spoken out against the misnamed "Clear Skies" bill - an unprecedented rollback to our nation's clean air laws. Reintroduced by Senator James Inhofe (R-OK), the bill would make lasting, damaging changes to the Clean Air Act. A Senate Committee will consider "Clear Skies" next week - tell your senators and President Bush to support healthier air, not a smokescreen.

http://actionnetwork.org/campaign/clearskies/8k73se42j8...

STOP BUSH’S BUDGET CUTS—2 ACTION ALERTS:

From the Democratic Party: Tell Bush to Take His Budget Back to the Drawing Board!
The proposed 2006 federal budget President Bush released yesterday would drive America deeper into debt while making cuts that will hurt veterans, farmers, and other working Americans..
Sign our petition today … America needs a responsible budget that meets our priorities while making serious reductions in the deficit.
http://www.democrats.org/action

From Campaign for America’s Future: Tell Congress to Reject the Bush budget!

Tell Congress to reject Bush’s indecent budget proposal! Tell them that you don’t want your government to undercut schools in need, eliminate childcare assistance, keep college out of reach for qualified students, cut Medicaid and foodstamps, and more than double veterans’ co-pays for prescription drugs—all while giving tax cuts to millionaires and hiking the federal deficit to $1.4 trillion!
Please contact your representatives today and demand that they reject the Bush budget and realign America’s spending priorities to serve us all not just a privileged few.

http://www.ourfuture.org/reject_bush_budget.cfm

DEFEND HARRY REID FROM GOP SMEAR MACHINE!

Republicans are again playing their tired old game of trying to demonize--in their words "Daschle-ize"--anyone who disagrees with them. This time they are calling newly elected Senate Democratic Leader Harry Reid names just for taking principled stands against the administration's most extreme positions.
It's not going to work and a big reason for that is you. We need you and every American tired of the hypocrisy emanating from George Bush and his cronies at the RNC to stand with Harry by signing our new petition.

http://action.dscc.org/campaign/reid


PREVENT FORCED DRUGGING OF OUR KIDS:
SAY NO TO THE NEW FREEDOM COMMISSION!

Bush wants to make testing our children for mental illness mandatory. Parental consent is not required. This could lead to forced drugging of your kids. Please sign this petition:

http://www.thelibertycommittee.org/pcapetition.htm


DEMAND A SPECIAL PROSECUTOR! HOW DID A FAKE JOURNALIST FROM A GOP FRONT GROUP GET A WHITE HOUSE PRESS PASS?

Sign a petition demanding appointment of a special prosecutor to look into how Jeff Gannon of Talon News managed to get a White House press pass—despite the fact that he used a fake name, holds no bona fide jorurnalism degree, works for a GOP-front group and is the alleged operator of several gay escort service websites!

http://democrats.com/gannon


TELL YOUR SENATORS TO SUPPORT ACCESS TO BIRTH CONTROL & CONTRACEPTION:
While Republican leaders are fast-tracking a bill that would endanger young women’s health, familiy-planning supporters are promoting policies that will actually help women by preventing unintended pregnancy and reducing the need for abortion.
Urge your senators to focus on the issues on which we share common ground and become a cosponsor of the Prevention First Act today!

http://prochoiceaction.org/campaign/sen_reidprevention_...


STOP ROLLBACKS OF OVERFISHING PROTECTION

One quarter of commercial fish in U.S. waters are overfished or in danger of being overfished. Populations of tuna, cod, skate and grouper are much smaller than decades ago. But the Bush Administration has proposed weakening standards that protect fisheries from overfishing - standards that are starting to help some fish make a comeback. With the seafood industry generating over 250,000 jobs and contributing billions to our nation's economy, healthy fisheries mean a healthy economy. Tell the U.S. government's lead fisheries official keep overfishing protections.

http://actionnetwork.org/campaign/overfish/8k73se42j855...



SUPPORT THE VOTER ACT: HR 533 (CONYERS & TUBBS-JONES)
Progressive Democrats of America (PDA) was proud to join in the challenge of Ohio's electors and to protest the numerous voting irregularities which shamed our country in the 2004 presidential election. Now is the time to pass legislation to make certain such abuses do not happen and every vote is counted in future elections. Election outcomes must be determined by voters, not politicians.

To achieve this goal, we call on every PDA activist to lobby their Congressional Representatives to support and/or cosponsor the VOTER Act (H.R. 533), introduced by Congressman John Conyers, Jr. and Congresswoman Stephanie Tubbs-Jones. Send a letter to your representatives now!

http://capwiz.com/pdamerica/mail/oneclick_compose/?aler...


STOP WAL-MART’S WAR ON WORKERS!

Together, as consumers and as activists, we have the power to stop Wal-Mart's attack on workers—and to hold corporations accountable for Wal-Marting jobs. This is a battle about the kind of society we want to live in and the kinds of jobs we want our children to have. You can make a difference.

Click here to sign the petition to Wal-Mart's CEO:
www.unionvoice.org/campaign/walmart_accountable


PREVIOUS ALERTS: STILL ACTIVE

IMPEACH BUSH!

Ramsey Clark has almost half a million signatures.
Please sign and forward this link to others:
http://www.votetoimpeach.org /

More on how you can help persuade Congress to impeach Bush:

http://www.impeach-bush-now.org /

SAVE CONSUMERS’ RIGHT TO SUE CORPORATE LOOTERS & POLLUTERS


The Senate just approved a bill to restrict class action lawsuits to clogged federal courts, even where existing state remedies might be more effective. Unless you raise your voice now, we will lose our protection against corporations that put greed above public safety. Urge Congress to vote “NO” on this bad measure!

http://www.usalone.com/class_action.htm


PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE U.S. SENATE: SAVE THE FILIBUSTER

From Common Cause: The filibuster has a long history in the Senate of fending off actions supported by a bare majority, but deeply offensive to the minority. If an individual senator were to abuse the privilege of the filibuster, he or she could be over overridden by a super majority of 60 votes.

To remove a long-standing parliamentary maneuver to serve immediate partisan goals violates core democratic values and is an anathema to the Senate's long standing commitment to consensus and a bipartisan deliberative process... It is an abuse of power to strip the Senate minority of a tool designed to protect its rights – rights both parties have vociferously defended throughout the Senate’s history

We the undersigned call on the United States Senators not to support changing of long standing Senate filibuster rules to blatantly advance one party’s goals.

http://www.commoncause.org/site/apps/ka/ct/contactus.as...

PROTEST SCHWARZENEGGER’S BUDGET PROPOSAL FOR CALIFORNIA
Send a letter to Governor Schwarzenegger regarding his budget. Tell the Governor you do not want him piling debt onto our grandchildren just so he can pursue the Bush/Rove/Norquist extremist agenda.Click here to Speak Out! http://ga4.org/campaign/Budget05
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME FROM IRAQ:
Senator Kennedy says “It’s time to take the target off our troops.” Sign the petition calling for American troops to come home by the end of 2006.

http://action.democraticmajority.com/petition /

STRENGTHEN SOCIAL SECURITY:

• Email your Members of Congress and ask them to strengthen Social Security, not weaken it with private accounts - go to:

http://capwiz.com/aarp/mail/oneclick_compose/?alertid=5...

Write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper to explain why George Bush's plan to cut promised Social Security benefits is wrong. The DNC has made it really easy to do, just go to

http://www.democrats.org/action/200501050001.html

• Join AARP's fight to keep Social Security strong at http://www.aarp.org/tools/partner?url=http://capwiz.com...

SAVE OUR NATIONAL FORESTS

If influential leaders like California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger stand by silently, President Bush will eliminate the Roadless Area Conservation Rule that protects unspoiled national forest lands from coast to coast. Tell Gov. Schwarzenegger to stand up for California's and all of America's national forests. For what you can do go to http://www.savebiogems.org/takeaction.asp

SAVE CONSUMERS’ RIGHT TO SUE CORPORATE LOOTERS & POLLUTERS


The Senate has approved restriction of class action lawsuits to federal court, even where existing state remedies might be more effective. It will be voted on in the House any day now. Urge your Congressional representative to Vote NO!
http://www.usalone.com/class_action.htm


PRESERVE THE INTEGRITY OF THE U.S. SENATE: SAVE THE FILIBUSTER

From Common Cause: The filibuster has a long history in the Senate of fending off actions supported by a bare majority, but deeply offensive to the minority. If an individual senator were to abuse the privilege of the filibuster, he or she could be over overridden by a super majority of 60 votes.

To remove a long-standing parliamentary maneuver to serve immediate partisan goals violates core democratic values and is an anathema to the Senate's long standing commitment to consensus and a bipartisan deliberative process.

It is wrong to jettison a longtime Senate procedure simply because it is inconvenient to one party’s goals. It is an abuse of power to strip the Senate minority of a tool designed to protect its rights – rights both parties have vociferously defended throughout the Senate’s history

We the undersigned call on the United States Senators not to support changing of long standing Senate filibuster rules to blatantly advance one party’s goals.

http://www.commoncause.org/site/apps/ka/ct/contactus.as...

PROTEST SCHWARZENEGGER’S BUDGET PROPOSAL FOR CALIFORNIA
Send a letter to Governor Schwarzenegger regarding his budget. Tell the Governor you do not want him piling debt onto our grandchildren just so he can pursue the Bush/Rove/Norquist extremist agenda.Click here to Speak Out! http://ga4.org/campaign/Budget05
BRING OUR TROOPS HOME FROM IRAQ:
Senator Kennedy says “It’s time to take the target off our troops.” Sign the petition calling for American troops to come home by the end of 2006.

http://action.democraticmajority.com/petition /

STRENGTHEN SOCIAL SECURITY:

• Email your Members of Congress and ask them to strengthen Social Security, not weaken it with private accounts - go to:

http://capwiz.com/aarp/mail/oneclick_compose/?alertid=5...


Write a letter to the editor of your local newspaper to explain why George Bush's plan to cut promised Social Security benefits is wrong. The DNC has made it really easy to do, just go to

http://www.democrats.org/action/200501050001.html

• Join AARP's fight to keep Social Security strong at

http://www.aarp.org/tools/partner ?
url=http://capwiz.com/aarp/mail/oneclick_compose/?alertid=5...


SAVE OUR NATIONAL FORESTS

If influential leaders like California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger stand by silently, President Bush will eliminate the Roadless Area Conservation Rule that protects unspoiled national forest lands from coast to coast. Tell Gov. Schwarzenegger to stand up for California's and all of America's national forests. For what you can do go to
http://www.savebiogems.org/takeaction.asp


ASK CONGRESS FOR REAL SECURITY REFORMS—NOT A WAR ON IMMIGRANTS

From the ACLU: The United States is a nation of immigrants with a long, proud history of granting asylum to those fleeing from religious or political persecution. But "security reform" legislation introduced in Congress makes a mockery of that tradition with an outrageous requirement that would force many asylum seekers to get supporting evidence from the very governments they are fleeing. House Judiciary Committee Chairman, James Sensenbrenner (R-WI), has proposed a bill . This bill would allow officials to require people seeking asylum to get supporting evidence from the very governments they are fleeing. It would also impose federal control over the issuance of state drivers licenses, even if this violation of their own policies. Further, it would expand the PATRIOT Act to allow deportations of lawful permanent residents for providing non-violent, humanitarian support to organizations later labeled as "terrorist" by the government, even where such support was completely legal at the time it was provided.

Tell Congess to oppose H.R. 418, the REAL ID ACT of 2005:

http://www.aclu.org/ImmigrantsRights/ImmigrantsRights.c...


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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 07:57 AM
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36. Well, if people recommend the thread
then it will show up on the Greatest Page. And it will get lots more eyeballs.
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RadicalMom Donating Member (734 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 01:13 AM
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35. Greatest Page is a Great Idea! Thank you! You guys are always cookin'!
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Skinner ADMIN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 11:18 AM
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37. kick (nt)
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 01:29 PM
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38. One tweak suggestion.
Since the intent is to expose important threads, rather than being time based, would it be better to drop recommendations over time, but allow new recommendations to replace? In other words, the 1st poster's recommendation drops after "X" amount of time (FIFO), but a new poster would could add to the current total?

Or maybe that's the way it's working? :shrug:
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Freebird12004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Feb-12-05 03:42 PM
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39. wonderful idea
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