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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 03:38 PM
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Dean: A good record on environment in Vt. and Good Plan for Nation
Howard Dean's tenure as governor resulted in major environmental progress in Vermont:

Ordering that emissions in Vermont be reduced to levels below those required in the Kyoto Protocol.

A strong executive order reducing the levels of mercury in water.

Protecting over 470,000 acres of land--nearly 8% of Vermont.

Thoughtful development. Offering incentives to keep development in downtowns and keep Vermont's scenic vistas pristine.

Development of the nation's first energy efficency utility.

Governor Dean believes that environmental issues are national security issues. The administration does little to curb our oil consumption. Governor Dean proposes to challenge the American people to cut back and utilize other forms of renewable energy.

Governor Dean believes that Environmental issues are health issues. As a doctor, he realizes that a failed environmental policy can lead to "devastating health consequences." As President, Gov. Dean pledges to strengthen the laws reducing pollutants in our land and water.

The Dean Administration environmental agenda will have foru elements:
1. an environmentally sound energy policy.
2. promoting livable communities and preserving working lanscapes
3. Putting the "protection" back in Environmental protection
4. restoring America's world leadership on environmental issues.

To find out more please read Governor Dean's "100 Year Plan" speech on the environment which he delivered on July 31, 2003 in San Francisco

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=policy_speech_environment_thenexthundredyears
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 03:51 PM
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1. "Ordering" rules and enforcing them are two different things.
Here is info NOT from deanforamerica, but VT environmentalists:

Smith is no stranger to Dean's environmental record, having tangled with the Dean administration on everything from the OMYA Corporation's mining to pesticide usage on Vermont's mega-farms. When Smith learned that Dean was holding a press conference at the Burlington Community Boathouse last week to celebrate his eco-legacy, she fired off emails to Vermont environmentalist calling for a protest of the event and wondering if they were "going to let Governor Dean ride out on his white horse of environmental leadership?"

It was Smith who stumbled onto Dean's official gubernatorial web site a couple of years ago and found a bucolic photo of her home town of Danby being featured with this caption: "Time stands still hereyou might even forget when it's time to go home." Ironically, the location depicted in the photo was the same spot Dean was pushing to host a massive gas pipeline, a plan that would have required timber clear-cuts and other dramatic topographical changes. The Dean team removed the photo within a couple of weeks, but not before Smith made hay with his apparent hypocrisy.

"Dean's attempts to run for president as an environmentalist is nothing but a fraud," Smith told Wild Matters. "He's destroyed the Agency of Natural Resources, he's refused to meet with environmentalists while constantly meeting with the development community, and he's made the permitting process one, big dysfunctional joke."

Read full article at:
http://www.counterpunch.org/colby02222003.html


More from the VCE:
Stephanie Kaplan, a leading environmental lawyer and the former executive officer of the Environmental Board, has seen the regulatory process become so slanted against environmentalists and concerned citizens that she thinks it's hardly worth putting up a fight anymore.

"Under Dean the Act 250 process and the Agency of Natural Resources (ANR) have lost their way," Kaplan charges. "Dean created the myth that environmental laws hurt the economy and set the tone to allow Act 250 and the ANR to simply be permit mills for developers."

Kaplan points to the "Environmental Board purge" in the mid-'90s that enabled the governor to set a pro-development tone. In 1993, the Board issued an Act 250 permit to C Grocers in Brattleboro with conditions that restricted the diesel emissions from its heavy truck traffic. After C execs cried foul and threatened to move to New Hampshire, Dean broke gubernatorial precedent by publicly criticizing the Environmental Board for issuing what he called a "non-permit."

A year after receiving their public rebuke from Dean, four of the Environmental Board members, including the chair, were up for reappointment. With not-so-subtle clues from Dean that he didn't approve of the Board's political direction, the Republican majority in the state senate shot down every one of their appointments, thus dramatically changing both the structure and climate of the Board.

More at this link:
http://www.vce.org/deanenvironmentomya.html


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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 04:01 PM
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2. I don't trust the counter punch article
they have an agenda. Second, Vermont is a very environmentally friendly state and with a Socialist Congressman and two liberal Senators--they are a left of center state. I doubt very much that they would elect as Governor--five times--someone who is as anti-environmet as this article states. His successes on the environment in Vermont speaks volumns and is a matter of public record.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 04:17 PM
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3. I dont trust
Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 04:40 PM by Nicholas_J
Dean for America...

Quotes From Environmental Attorneys and one of VT's Leading Environmentalists are far more reliable sources.

But how much do you trust

"Vermonters for a Clean Environment"

DAFM is a poor regulator
Vermont's agriculture is in crisis, and not just because the Northeast DairyCompact was not renewed. The state has not developed a strategy to promote healthy, sustainable farming. Once called Department of Agriculture whose mission was just about farmers and farming, DOA is now DAFM, Department of Agriculture, Food and Markets and the agency’s mission is all Vermonters. The written mission of DAFM is “to provide consumers and the Vermont agricultural community with the highest level of service possible including ensuring and enforcing quality standards for agricultural products, regulating pesticide use, providing information, technical and marketing assistance to farmers and producers and developing new markets for Vermont products.”

DAFM is not responsive, is not providing a high level of service, is not regulating pesticide use, is not providing information, and is not supportive of Vermont's dairy farmers. Something is terribly wrong when our agriculture policies expose Vermonters to unhealthy pesticides and infringe on the economic viability of our family farms. Vermonters should have a right to farm, but no one, not even farmers, have a right to pollute the waters of the state, nor do they have the right to expose neighbors to the increased risk of birth defects or cancers by their misuse of highly toxic pesticides. The right to farm that DAFM is protecting in Highgate is factory food production, at the expense of the family farm. Allowing collateral damage is not acceptable agricultural practice.

The legislature set up the Vermont Pesticide Advisory Council “to suggest programs for wise and effective pesticide use that lead to an overall reduction in the use of pesticides in Vermont.” In its 15 years of existence, VPAC has not dealt with the subject of the use of pesticides in agriculture.

Our Governor, our legislators and our courts have failed to protect Vermonters from the big money, corporate farming and chemical company interests whose agenda is being carried out by the current Agriculture Czar.

http://www.vtce.org/deancrisisagvt.html

Or How About:

Governor Howard Dean, on a trip to Bennington, compared the chance to have a natural gas pipeline with the chance to have an Interstate highway -- the absence of which has been sore point for southwestern Vermont business leaders for decades. He said that if that area of the state truly wanted economic development, the time had come, with the pipeline, to put up or shut up.

They have contacted groups monitoring gas-related developments elsewhere, have consulted with energy experts to build their case, if there is a filing, and have enlisted formidable counsel. Attorney Jon Readnour is a former Assistant General Counsel for the Central Maine Power Company, primarily involved with licensing power plants and transmission lines, and Stephanie Kaplan is the former executive director and general counsel of the Vermont Environmental Board (1986-1994), the lawyer who successfully opposed OMYA truck traffic for a group of Brandon innkeepers in a recent, much-publicized Environmental Board case (which has since been appealed).

http://www.vtce.org/LoosePages/vtbizarticle.html


Now lets try:

Governor talks about coal-fired power plant

By Nancy Bazilchuk
Free Press Staff Writer
Vermont ought to consider building new electric power plants in the northwestern part of the state, even a coal-fired power plant, Gov. Howard Dean said Tuesday.
"We need (electric) generating capacity in northwestern Vermont, and we are overly dependent on natural gas," Dean said. "This is not a proposal, but this is intended to spur discussion. The whole point is to get Vermonters to think about having a power plant in their back yard. We are going to have to have one..."

Power is power

Gov. Howard Dean is right to encourage the discussion about Vermont's energy needs. His method was kind of wacky, though -- the cost of getting the coal to Vermont, the disposal of ash, and the mercury in the ash are reasons enough to dismiss his coal plant idea as preposterous, but that's what he did with the gas project in southwestern Vermont, too -- promoted an idea without really understanding the details.
The governor did get people's attention, even if it has made him the butt of a few jokes around here. Cabin fever is pretty intense and we all needed a good laugh.
What we do need to be talking about are our current energy issues, not just new supplies a dozen years away. Why are we selling Vermont Yankee now, when market power clearly lies in the hands of the owners of the generators?
Vermont's energy plan features renewables. A diversified energy supply utilizing wind, solar and hydro technologies can work. We need to pass legislation this year to encourage investment in renewables and empower Vermonters to take responsibility for our own power needs. I live with solar panels and they work. Generating your own power is power.
ANNETTE SMITH
Danby

Annette Smith is executive director of Vermonters for a Clean Environment.



http://www.vtce.org/coal.html


Environmentalists step up criticism; former chairman defends Harding

November 1, 2001

By DAVID GRAM The Associated Press

MONTPELIER — Environmentalists are stepping up their criticisms of Environmental Board Chairwoman Marcy Harding for her conduct at the board’s annual meeting last week, while her predecessor on Wednesday came to her defense...

Smith said that Harding told her “she felt my reputation was at stake and that I was threatening the integrity of Act 250.”

In a letter to Gov. Howard Dean, Smith said, “I take issue with her (Harding’s) personal attack, questioning my credibility and attempting to intimidate me through her accusations and unfounded conclusions.”

http://www.vce.org/Act250news.html


A year after receiving their public rebuke from Dean, four of the Environmental Board members, including the chair, were up for reappointment. With not-so-subtle clues from Dean that he didn't approve of the Board's political direction, the Republican majority in the state senate shot down every one of their appointments, thus dramatically changing both the structure and climate of the Board.

"After the post-C&S purge," says Kaplan, "the burden of proof for Act 250 permits switched from being on the applicants - where it's supposed to be - to being on the environmentalists. That's why 98 percent of the permit requests are approved and only 20 percent ever have hearings."


http://www.vtce.org/deanenvironmentomya.html

Dean envirnmentalist who did not go along thi his "business first" environmental policy, which is the above mentioned purge.

After the purge, only one in five environmentally unsound businesses were ever brought up for hearings and 98 percent of all permits were allowed.


Now, acknowledging that its cost made universal health care, let alone single-payer system, politically impractical on a state level was probably a prudent judgment. But Wright, possessed of an ex-Marine's tenacity, was nevertheless shocked by the governor's quiet acquiescence. ''I guess this was the one thing I never could understand about Howard Dean,'' he notes. ''He always seemed so ready to abandon his cause at the first sign of defeat. . . . Maybe it was an unwillingness to have any cause at all, at least any cause for which he was willing to risk his political skin.''

He could be that way with people as well, Wright laments. After the reactionary Republican Senate, in a battle that pitted developers against environmentalists, voted to reject three qualified members of Vermont's Environmental Board, Dean sent the names back to the Senate for reappointment. But when they were again refused, rather than risk real political capital in a prolonged public battle, Dean backed down and declined to submit the names again. In so doing, the governor had abandoned three dedicated public servants, Wright contends.

''I don't think I've ever been more disappointed than I was at the moment,'' he writes.


http://www.boston.com/dailyglobe2/218/oped/Howard_Dean_s_pragmatic_side+.shtml
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 04:22 PM
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4. his record speaks for itself
and his support in a left of center, environmentally friendly state. Frankly, I believe you have peddled this same article many times and I don't trust you. It is one thing to oppose a man but your hatred for Dean knows no bounds. If I see an anti-Dean thread and your name is attached I either ignore it or laugh and say, "Nicholas, is at it again." (and if it is really obnoxious, I may respond.)
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 04:44 PM
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6. Find something
Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 04:49 PM by Nicholas_J
From OUTSIDE of Dean for America, that lauds his accomplishments as Governor. No list of a few environmentalists he managed to get to support hin while Anthony Pollina had 70 of the states formost environmentalists suppoting HIM.

Sorry, Colby is a well known Progressive and environmentalist, as were the people cited, both Annette Smith and Stephanie Kaplan were major players in Vermont Environmentalism.

Find someone with equal environmental credentials who supported Dean.

Such SELF SOURCING...(It is putting forth Dean false reccord, and HE HAS AN AGENDA, and purpose in going so...)

Is a greater cause for LAUGHTER
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 04:53 PM
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10. do you dispute
what Dean has accomplished? can you prove he didn't protect the preserve the land he claims to? can you disprove his executive order on mercury levels? can you show that he didn't lower emissions levels below the kyoto treaty? or that he strongly supported less development in the countryside?

If he is saying things on his site that are not true as far as his environmental record is concerned you know that John Kerry, who also has a very good environmental record, would be calling him on it.

Yes, I know there are environmentalists who have problems with Dean because he didn't go far enough. He was governor who on the one hand did his best to protect the environment but on the other hand had to compromise at times because of economic reality or to save jobs. This is a problem most governors face.

I still say that a state with as many educated, politically left of center people who care about the environment would not elect Dean five times as their governor if he was anti-environment.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 05:45 PM
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17. Nic, you'd source the RNC if you found something there
In fact, I bet you have sourced the RNC.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 04:47 PM
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8. P.S.
Better to See Colby's articles...

Thank to beleive Deans statements about himself...

Which I am sure are honest, since he has been caught lying numerous times during the campaign...

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TLM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 05:09 PM
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12. Seems to me Dean is attacked by those who think


that any level of development of any kind what so ever is an environmental holocaust, and we should all be living in burlap tents and eating berries and grass... provided we don't eat enough to disrupt the mating habits of the tit mouse.


Dean's roll in Vermont was to address both economic and environmental needs in a way that allowed both to do well, and he did a fantastic job of striking that balance.

Whereas his far left critics on environmental issues are about as far from balanced as one can get.

Building that natural gas pipeline would likely mean a lot less air pollution in the long run, but because it would require some dirt being moved and trees being cut down along part of the pipeline route, suddenly some see it as a horrific environmental disaster.

The simple fact is that there is just no pleasing some of these far left environmentalists wackos. Short of moving all people out of the state, so no nature is ever disturbed, there is no level of development or coexistence that they’ll find acceptable.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 05:37 PM
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15. Those wackos who stopped the pipeline
Were the whacko's in the three areas Dean wanted it to go through,just regular citizens who stopped it:

Gov. Howard B. Dean said this week that he could no longer support that plan because of opposition from voters in several towns along Route 7.

"The pipeline is dead. I give up," the governor said.

Dean told voters at the Arlington Town Meeting that he still believed natural gas would boost economic development in southwestern Vermont. But he said another way would have to be found to bring the energy source to the area. Without being specific, Dean suggested a spur might have to be built rather than a 63-mile-long pipeline.



http://rutlandherald.nybor.com/News/Story/4984.html
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XanaDUer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 05:42 PM
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16. "Whackoes"?
Wow. That sounds like what Repukes call anyone who disagrees with them...it was VOTERS who stopped Dean, not whackoes, according to the posted article.

Are these like the whackoes who don't support ANWR drilling?
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 06:20 PM
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22. yup, Deans record does speak for itself
it is unfortunate that you choose not only to not heed that record but to castigate the messenger that delivers it as well.
I have said form the first that Dean was infamous in Vermont for relaxing environmental protections in order to attract business to Vermont. Now that someone has posted several proofs of his weakness on the environment you choose to attribute base motives to that poster and dismiss the articles and all those concerned folks who wrote them....very nice.

You post only things you have gleaned from Deans own website yet call this gospel, not self serving propaganda......its quite one thing to support a candidate and quite another to blindly and single mindedly do so.......
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 06:45 PM
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23. please see this link
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 06:23 AM
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24. link read
So, a Dean appointee lauds him and this counters the critiques of many who have no reason to be partial to him or beholden to him.....For every self serving and rather slanted link from Deanies there seems to be quite a number from environmental activists pointing to a less favorable view of Deans committment to the environment.

Now, should we wish to delve into Deans record of cutting safety nets for Vermont seniors and slashing the education budget as well Im sure that you might come up with proDean comments from someone who got h/her job from him........
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 06:33 AM
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25. actually this person has had many battles with Dean
and was only grudgingly reappointed by Dean (this person served Kuhn and Snelling a dem and rep who first appointed her). Her position is also an independent one and as the interview makes clear while she appears to have respect for Dean they also have had disagreements. Also please read
a progressive case for Howard Dean:

http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/archives/000701.html

it is hardly a fawning look at Dean but it convinces me (though probably won't you) that he is a man of substance who has a good record in Vermont (and believe me if he didn't Kerry and the rest would be going after it)and a progressive record on the environment.

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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 04:44 PM
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5. Thanks for posting this!
DEan's got it goin' on! As much as Dean's detractors what like it to be otherwise.

Damn! I'm Glad Dean is in the race! :D
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 04:54 PM
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11. thank you
your a great Dean supporter!
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Kolesar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 04:46 PM
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7. decide for yourself
www.vermont.sierraclub.org
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 04:52 PM
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9. And Michael Colby
Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 04:56 PM by Nicholas_J
Is the editor of a national environmental journal "Wild Matters"
ANd a New Englander as well.

The Media Education of Howard Dean

by Michael Colby

For left-leaning Vermonters, there’s something comical about seeing the national media refer to our former governor, Howard Dean, as the
“liberal” in the race for the Democratic nomination for president.
Other than a few initiatives in the long 11-plus years he held the state’s top job, Dean was a conservative Democrat at best. And many in Vermont, particularly environmentalists and civil libertarians, see Dean as a Republican in Democrat’s clothing...


If Dean were truly a liberal, he’d be standing firm in his convictions against the Bush administration’s cowboy-like approach to Iraq. But Dean’s not a liberal; he’s a political opportunist. And the Dean campaign team is backpedaling on its war position.

The New York Times’ Adam Nagourney filed a story on Monday (2.10.03)that put a spotlight on Dean’s war waffling. Headlined “An Antiwar Democrat Leaves Room to Wiggle,” Nagourney highlighted Dean’s softening position...


It’s this kind of policy waffling that will allow the national media to portray Dean’s candidacy as the long shot that it is. Once the genteel folks at the Times start picking at a candidate’s wound, the rest will jump aboard and the dismantling of Dean could happen faster than a
Vermont summer.

Ironically, Dean’s boxed himself in and is now managing to alienate both the pro-war and anti-war Democrats. The issue he chose to distinguish himself could be the issue that will be used against him as he hedges his bets and starts to look like the political opportunist he is.

The national media loves to eat up a tasty waffler. And it’s even better with some Vermont syrup on top.

http://www.politicsvt.com/Colby/2_13_03.htm
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 05:33 PM
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13. What does trhis site have to do with Dean
The fact that Vermont has a clean environment can be the results of the Environmentalists who stopped him from doing the stuff he tried, like the natural gas pipeline which he gave up on finally after massive protest from the people whose neighborhoods it went through.
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Nicholas_J Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 05:34 PM
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14. Final logic of the post
Dean says he did great stuff, therefore he did.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 06:09 PM
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18. from a progressive case for Howard Dean
Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 06:32 PM by CMT
by Nico Pitroy of Alternet.

http://blogs.onenw.org/jon/archives/000701.html

under heading Environment:
"Carl Pope, executive Director of the Sierra Club said that although the Sierra Club had some disagreements with Dean's land use policies, Dean 'did fabulous things in Vermont.'"

Indeed in the Sierra Club's last report on sprawl Vermont is ranked "second best in America for land use planning" and we all know who had been Governor of Vermont from 1991-2003.

I thought it was interesting that the London Times said that, "Dean's Vermont has some of the most progressive environmental programmes in America."

also as I'm sure you know, Elizabeth Courtney, Executive Director of Vermont Natural Resourses Council, has fought Dean on some environmental issues and you can read in the following interview her views both pro and con on Dean, but she ends the interview saying she believes he could make a "Great President."
http://www.gwu.edu/~action/2004/dean/dean0702/courtint.html


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VermontDem2004 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 06:11 PM
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19. This is useless
anyone can find a dozen links supporting their position.
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 06:15 PM
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21. of course
but what started out as a positive post about Dean and what he has done and wants to do for the environment was disrupted and we were challenged to come up with something other than from "Dean for America". Of course as you say positive and negative testimony can be found.

I can't believe that Vermont a state which prides itself on being green would elect a man five times as governor who wasn't caring about the environment.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 06:46 AM
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26. you're right
but damn it! Can't anyone educate us without having an axe to grind? The environment is important to me. I just want to know the facts. It gets terribly frustrating trying to decern the truth when so many people have an agenda.

Please, anybody, a complete and objective overview of Dean and the environment would be greatly appreciated.


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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 06:57 AM
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27. here you are
Edited on Thu Sep-11-03 07:02 AM by CMT
http://www.cmonitor.com/stories/news/state2003/082103dean_env_2003.shtml

This is a very unbiased newspaper account pro and con on the Dean environmental record in Vermont. No, he was not a knight in shining armour but he was better than "your average" governor on the environment as he had to balance other needs along with the environment, anyway he did a good job of balancing in my opinion.

Note my orginial post is not calling him the next coming of Christ on the evnvironment. It simply states some of his achievements in Vermont (which are considerable) and gives a link to his speech on the environment for what he wants to do as president. Every record has flaws and every governor has to balance needs and I think Dean did better than most.
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 07:03 AM
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28. thanks
that's the sort of thing I was looking for. BTW, I wasn't saying that you had an agenda with your original post, but referring to some other things that have been said recently. I simply want to understand so I can decide for myself.

:toast:
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CMT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 07:18 AM
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29. you are welcome
and I knew your point and appreciate it.
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 06:14 PM
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20. Thanks... n/t
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