Are Democrats Tougher on Bush or Dean?

[poskonig]

If they fought as hard against Bush over the last three years as they are against Dean, we'd have the House AND Senate.

[blm]

1. Dean made his name by attacking the other Dem candidates and

the Dem party. You reap what you sow.

[haymaker]

3. That's a steaming pile and you know it.

He made his name by coming out against the war, by pointing out the Bush junta's bullshit, and by having an unprecedented online machine.

A few shots across the bow to the Bush apologist crowd maybe just woke you up. Good morning.

[blm]

6. January 23, Dean attacks the others as "Bushlite"

and YOU know it.

[Sean Reynolds]

7. And YOU didn't READ what I said. SCROLL down and take a look

So take the blindfold off and re-read what I said. Dean apologized for using the term Bushlite.

[blm]

30. When did he apologize for "Bushlite"

I would imagine that it would have been posted here at DU if he had.

[w4rma]

11. Bush-lite. That sounds about right.

That was back when the Democrats in Congress were pretty much hoping that Dean would go away and were saying that all who oppose the Iraq war (which Dean did) were "soft on defense".

[blm]

29. Dean supported a slightly different resolution.

He was labeled antiwar and ran with the support it brought him.

[Terwilliger]

12. The FIRST person I heard Republican-Lite from (outside Nader) was Kerry

he's chastises Republican-lite then he gives us examples of why he is same

I dont see why you should blame Dean for that.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

14. talk about a steaming pile

Dean was the first to attack the other candidates as "Bush lite" and "DLC" - while Dean himself is a Rockefeller Republican and a former member of the DLC who spent his governorship as an "ambassador" for NAFTA - the ultimate DLC creation.

Any objective observer can read DU and see Dean supporters bashing the other candidates in one thread, and whining about Dean bashing in the other.

At least I admit that I bash the candidates I don't like (Dean, Kerry, Graham, and Lieberman).

[poskonig]

15. While I admit *I'm* a candidate basher,

Dean himself has been pretty cool about not giving Rove soundbites for the other guys. When Dean does slip up, an apology is usually given.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

19. Oh I'll freely admit Lieberman is much worse than Dean at that

when it comes to providing GOP soundbites. I watched both of the debates, and Lieberman was a shameless Republican - I was shocked. None of the other candidates have done that.

[Sean Reynolds]

4. He hardly attacked Dems

And when he did he apologized for it and has been pretty cool since. Most of his attacks are on Dem policy, not the Dem candidate.

[XanaDUer]

5. And...

besides that, I feel that any Democrat who is a centrist and in some cases fairly conservative, who then stands on his "liberal" platform to win an election (any election) deserves to be questioned.

[phishhead]

8. Do what?

I have no idea where you get this, but I've seen and read many interviews, debates, etc, where he'll specifically say he's a centrist.

Can you point to any reference or situation where Dean has touted himself as being some hardcore liberal?

[w4rma]

10. Attack dean on his position and what he says

don't make up straw men to attack, please. Dean is *not* a liberal and has never once said he is a liberal. The media tries to portray him as a liberal. If you've got a beef with that description take it up with big media.

[tedoll78]

16. I agree.

He did attack some of them. And they very well deserved it. Bending over for Bush and saying "giddy-up!" reaps its own consequences also.

[blm]

31. Failing to negotiate for a better deal

with an intransigent White House would be dereliction of duty.

YOU wanted Bush's REAL blank check, eh?

[Cha]

2. Dean is a Winner ...and it doesn't matter who in the Dem party

attack him..he is a Winner in Life and I hope he can be our President!

But you have a point...if the dems(dlc types) attacked bush like they did Dean we would, no doubt, have made some News!

[sandnsea]

9. Or; Bush or any other candidate?

Kucinich is a flake. Kerry and Gephardt are warmongers. Lieberman is a DINO. Carol has a scandal in her past. Sharpton and Tawana Brawley. Dean is not being picked on any more than any other candidate.

[Cha]

13. you forgot Edwards and Graham.

[PurityOfEssence]

22. allow me:

Edwards is a lightweight pretty-boy warsucking toady to the fascists with no loyalty to keep the senate seat that he betrays us all by misusing so. Graham's an old fuddy-duddy. Just thought I'd cover all the bases here...

EVERYONE takes hits. Some are fair, some are unfair. Many Deanies just don't want to accept that their guy has personally attacked the others on a regular basis.

As you probably know, I'm an Edwards supporter and feel he's potentially a true statesman for the ages. I personally like the others except Lieberman and increasingly Dean, and any would be worlds better than Junior.

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

23. Many "Deanies"

understand the primary process(not all). The leader is always attacked. When Kerry and Lieberman were considered the front-ruinners, Dean attacked. Now that he (arguably) is the front-runner, he is being attacked. No surprise at all. The strongest and smartest will prevail.

Darwin in motion.

[HazMat]

17. Democrats should fight both men with an equal sense of urgency

Since a Dean nomination=Bush re-election.

This is an important moment in our country's history, and we can't send an unelectable candidate like Dean to face Bush. It would be a disaster for the Democratic Party and America. Dean supporters are irresponsible and selfish and don't care anything about the future of this country, only about "sticking it" to the Democratic establishment.

[poskonig]

18. Dean is much better than Kerry.

Kerry would get *owned* for not supporting Gulf War I. Besides, given that Bush is weak on the Iraq debacle, how can we attack Bush with candidates who support him, eh?

[VermontDem2004]

20. I have to admit

they attack Bush much more then they attack Dean.

[Uzybone]

26. finally some straight talk

thanks for saying what should be plain to everyone else.

[CWebster]

21. Democrats are jealous of Dean

Seems beating Bush is secondary.

[VOX]

24. Right now, Dean is taking the heat, 'cause he's on top of the pile...

I wish they'd stop that sh** and stick to the business at hand, which is to blow * out of the water.

[Uzybone]

25. Total rubbish

the democrats attacking Dean. Get your messiah complex out of your system. Please Deanies stop this crap and lets work TOGETHER.

[Cha]

27. There's no "messiah complex"...facts are facts.

The dlc was attacking Dean so much that Terry McAuliff had to issue a directive to cease and desist!

We're not paranoid and it's Not "total rubbish".

[UTUSN]

28. Dems Oughten Attack Dems, Listening-DEANites? n/t

[Forkboy]

33. I'm afraid I can't listen to anyone using the word

"oughten" :D

[madfloridian]

32. "unacceptable for the U.S. to be `evenhanded'"

.."It is unacceptable for the U.S. to be `evenhanded' on these fundamental issues," the letter said....."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2003/09/10/national2031EDT0898.DTL

There is no excuse for this statement.