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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 08:34 PM
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The only way to REALLY bring the BBV mess to a conclusion
It's simple. Someone who is sure the machines can be hacked has to actually hack an election on purpose.

Hack the machine, screw up the results, and then IMMEDIATELY announce what has been done. Think about it. They can't be prosecuted for proving the machines are vulnerable. And the press would be highly sympathetic to the effort if there was a "paper trail" to prove this was simply an effort to save democracy in America.
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Capn Sunshine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 08:35 PM
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1. A SIMPLE PLAN....
except for the violation of National Security and about 15 other felonies I could name
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ShaneGR Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 08:44 PM
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2. Not if you innoculate yourself
Let enough trusted people know beforehand what you are doing and you are planning to announce it the SECOND the results are released.

Seems to me that there is no possibility of conviction if you do it right.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 08:45 PM
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3. And that's just to hold you till they decide the charges.
Edited on Wed Sep-10-03 08:47 PM by RC
Don't misunderestimate the repugs.
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E_Zapata Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 08:52 PM
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4. Oh, jail time would be a certainty.
But I would go to jail if I thought it would save our democracy.
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NashVegas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:54 PM
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7. I'd Save it for a Last Resort Measure
In my experience, people who purposely exploit something to drive home the point of how broken it is usually end up doing more harm than good. There's always someone around to think "wow, what a great idea," if TPTB refuse to change what needs to be fixed.

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arcane1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 08:59 PM
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5. lol, I thought you'd say "let a Dem win"
then we KNOW the repubes would be screaming BBV all over the news and op/eds.. :evilgrin:

good plan you have, though, and I won't be surprised if people are already thinking that

but personally, I would call it "counter-hacking"
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:51 PM
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6. I thought DemActivist got permission to do this from GA
and was only awaiting clarification on whether she is exposed under the millenium act?
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 09:56 PM
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8. I've Been Wondering If It Might Come To This
People confronting the machines in a very direct way.... ala Boston Tea Party.

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bpilgrim Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:02 PM
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9. thats not the only way...
you can make a very CONVINVING ARGUMENT - and they have - on what they got and know now.

MS - is insecure and the WORLD knows it (just ask japn/china/s. korea
NO VERIFIABLE AUDIT TRAIL
Compromised Approval Proccess
Secret Code
Strange Anomallies in past elections - 18181, exit polls

that should be enough for a REASONABLE person to realize we need reform imediatly.

but it certainly be a memorable moment that would be sure to get widespread media attention...

but by THEN it may be TOO LATE

psst... pass the word

peace
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TrogL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-10-03 10:05 PM
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10. Oh sure they can
They can't be prosecuted for proving the machines are vulnerable

A good friend of mine went to jail for hacking into something to prove it could be done, then immediately admitting it.
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