How the Right is trying to steal the Jewish vote and what we need to do

[rusk2003]

we must support the Jews and Israel more than ever listening to the right wing radio the Conservatives are trrying get their vote. And besides look in the bible God said I will bless those who bless you and curse those who curse you. For the nation and kingdom who will not serve the shall perish.

And we could certainly use God blessing in 2004.Not sure on the exact verses can't find my bible book in Gen and Iassiah.

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[Hanuman]

14. Isn't it odd that K. Harris is a democrat?

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[Capn Sunshine]

20. In what parallel universe?

She is currently the republican representative of the 13th district
and chaired Bushs campaign during selection 2000.

[WENSTJDON]

28. Did you mean to say Theresa LaPore?

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[swinney]

2. Jews do not count in Bush agenda

They cannot go to heaven. Remember.

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[rusk2003]

5. Iam glad that is not the majority thinking gof this party

We need their votes more than ever. and it is also the right thing to do.

[StopTheMorans]

9. the right thing?

please explain why we need to support Israel wholeheartedly while ignoring the concerns of the Palestinians, you must know something we dont?

[Cheswick2.0]

15. God loves Palestinians as much as Israelies , they are his children too

so why would supporting Israel over Palestine be "the right thing to do?

Isaiah 25
8- he will swallow up death forever.
The Sovereign LORD will wipe away the tears
from all faces;
he will remove the disgrace of his people
from all the earth.

[Brian Sweat]

13. In 2000 about 80% of jewish voters voted for Gore.

This is an interesting theory on how the Republicans are going to try to solve their electoral math problem. I don't think it will work though. They are never going to get the majority of the Jewish vote. They might pick up 500,000 to a million Jewish votes nation wide, but I doubt it. It might help them hold onto Florida for a couple of more election cycles, but in the long run, they are going to have to abandon rhetoric of hate.

[rucky]

16. It doesn't mean that at all...

I just posted this about an hour ago... didn't think I'd need to use it so quickly...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=319461

in short: don't worry about it!

[Jim Sagle]

22. Jim Baker, is that you?

[StopTheMorans]

4. is this satire?

I really can't tell. If it is, it's hilarious, if it's not, it's sure a damn strange way of trolling.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

7. NONE of my jewish friends would ever listen to a bush

they know what happened the last time they listened to a talking bush>>>made to wander thrirstly in the desert for 40 years!


why hell that's why they loathe lieberman>>>>>listening to a bush

[Brian Sweat]

18. Jewish people are just as individual as other people.

Trying to appeal to an ethnic group as a monolithic entity is always a mistake. Some Jewish people will be attracted to the idea of PNAC and others will be repulsed. The GOP will not pick up a lot of votes with this strategy.

[Jim Sagle]

23. So is it a mistake to appeal to blacks?

[Brian Sweat]

25. Not if you appeal to them by doing what is right.

Black people are not a monolithic entity either.

[Jim Sagle]

38. But appealing to Jews is wrong, I guess.

[Walt Starr]

8. Whose god?

The Bible describes no god I recognize, why the fuck would I use it as my guide?

[StopTheMorans]

10. HOO AH! Love it Walt:)

:)

[Walt Starr]

17. I generally take offense to people telling me to listen to their god

on matters of politics when I do not believe in thier god.

Of course, had he suggested we talk about the myths of Loki and what he has to say on the subject, I may be more interested. Loki was, after all, a trickster god and the methodologies of a trickster god may be very applicable to dealing with Repugnants.

:evilgrin:

[elfwitch]

26. whose god??

My biggest problem with this whole bunch of braying asses is that they want to force everyone to belive in their version of God. That is why they bring it up so often.

As far as I can tell, their version of God is as big of an ass as they are. If they think their version is so great, they wouldn't have to try to force people in to believeing it. They try to sell God.

Anything that is really great, like they say thier version is, you wouldn't have to sell that hard. Nobody has to sell you chocolate cake. You either buy it because you like it, or you don't.

[Walt Starr]

30. Ohhh, some go much further than trying to just "sell" their god(s)

There are so many that want government assistance in the selling of their god(s). They use euphamisms like "Faith Based Initiative", but the real agenda is pretty clear. Their real agenda is Welfare for Churches because they are unable and ill-equipped to comepete in the marketplace of ideas.

And may would wonder why I use the term "god(s)". It's really clear when you look at the agenda. The god(s) these people are trying to gain governement assistance in selling are in actuality, Greed and Avarice.

[elfwitch]

31. with you there...

"THEY" don't like people of your star or mine.

[elfwitch]

11. Jew vote

He would have to STEAL it. I don't know any Jews that have any sense of the idea of Tikkun Olam (the concept of “repairing the world”) that would take the time to shake his hand much less vote for him. Any man that would make it his mission to destroy the world, has no right to ask us for a vote.

The "religious" men he associates with have made it their mission to convert all Jews. We don't want to be converted. We don't want him.

[Tinoire]

19. Thanks elfwitch- welcome to DU! n/t

[durutti]

12. Civil Rights

Civil rights lost Democrats the South. Does that mean that Democrats shouldn't have supported the South? Of course not.

Likewise, though supporting the right of Palestinians to self-determination is not the most popular thing right now, it is the right thing to do.

[Jim Sagle]

24. The Pals can have their state any time they want to

stop killing Jews - simple as that, no "support" needed.

[Kamika]

27. lol

if you say so

[Tinoire]

21. You can't find the verses??!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jesus! What kind of a fundie are you? Turn on Pat Robertson tonight... He'll quote it for you again.


OOOAH! Lieberman 2004 right? Better yet... why not just get Tom Delay on the ticket :eyes:

[StandWatie]

29. no way in hell

You really think American Jews are going to line up with the Christian Right and their crusade to Christianize everything in the US over Israel? They live here and they aren't going to help out with that.

[Warren Stuart]

32. You can't steal something that belongs to you

If all of the jewish people in Florida voted for Lieberman, then Al Gore would be president today. The jewish voting bloc is fast becomming a myth.

Certainly there are a lot of liberal jews who will vote their conscience, but lately I've made the acquaintance of many conservative jews. They think the world of George Bush, and despise Hillary.

It's part of the assimilation process, jewish people are becomming mainstreamed into American society and as a result adopt political views based on personal choices.

As our country becomes more diverse it hard to see how adopting an un-evenhanded approach can work to the Democrats (and Israel's) advantage. The Palestine issue will not go away until the Palestinians perceive that they are being treated fairly.

[Classical_Liberal]

33. The right is trying to intimidate Dems to support Likkud

by pretending the Jewish vote is up for grabs. Polls show this not to be the case at all. http://aaiusa.org/news/aainews112402.htm

[Liberal Classic]

34. Votes are not stolen, they are earned

If votes are going the wrong way, earn the back.

[molly]

35. The right will NEVER-EVER-EVER have anywhere near

even half-way of the Jewish vote.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

37. Reagan Actually Won A Plurality Of The Jewish Vote in 1980

Reagan 43%


Carter 42%



Anderson 15%



on edit I was wrong... here are the correct numbers-

Carter - 45%

Reagan- 39%

Anderson- 15%

[MoonRiver]

36. Won't work. Jews are very smart people. I know cause I married one.

They can see the devastation that Bush's "foreign policy" has created in Israel, not to mention our homeland. Dems, including Dean but especially Kerry and Clark (if only he were to run), will whoop that bad * arse among the Jewish vote, assuming Dem votes get counted. :kick:

[LastDemInIdaho]

39. Does that mean we can't forgive the suicide bombers?

But what about all the suicide bombers that are justified in blowing up kids on the bus because Israel is so mean to the Arabs that tried to push Israel into the sea?

[Yupster]

40. Jewish Vote in 2000

from CNN exit poll

Gore - 79 %
Bush - 19 %

Also, the Jewish vote would help Bush less than it looks like. The vote is concentrated more than most blocs, especially in New York and California. Florida Jewish voters are an older demographic and I don't see bshels of them changing their politics at this stage of life.

If Bush is within striking distance in NY and Cal. it won't matter because he'll win in a landslide anyway.