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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:42 PM
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America -- attack free for 730 days
Edited on Thu Sep-11-03 03:51 PM by CatWoman
This is the justification the right is using when they shrilly proclaim that Bush* is on the job 24/7, and that he is a highly effective "wartime" president.

Just because we haven't had another terrorist attack does not make Bush* successful at anything.

IMHO.

on edit: I fixed the number of days in the headline. I meant to use the number of days for two years.
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Disandra Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:44 PM
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1. I'm sure our troops are glad to hear that. n/t
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:46 PM
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4. I don't understand. Explain.
I should think that they are more than happy when they are not being attacked in Iraq.

Last time I looked that's where all the attacks were taking place.
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Disandra Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:54 PM
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12. .....
I'm sorry, I usually hear the statement "AmericanS haven't been attacked...."

I misread the original message, meaning that there haven't been any attacks on American soil.

I still think it is a disgusting statement either way...our troops are under fire everyday because of this f*cking administration. Last time I checked, our troops are Americans and should be counted too.

For some reason, I've gotten even more angrier over the past couple of days, and at this point, I'm madder than hell and sick and tired of this freaking administration and those that support it.

Sorry for the rant and the misunderstanding, rough day...office full of Bush supporters and had to hear all day about how great he is. Nevermind that half of our office got pink-slipped and Tuesday is our last day.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:56 PM
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15. damn!!!
sorry to hear that...........
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Disandra Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:57 PM
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16. Thanks n/t
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never cry wolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:45 PM
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2. They are obviously not math majors
Edited on Thu Sep-11-03 04:08 PM by steviet_2003
I believe it has been 730 days since 9/11/01.

on edit: oops, my math is bad too.
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UrbScotty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:47 PM
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5. You mean 9/11/2001?
730 days from now, it will be 9/11/05!
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:50 PM
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9. I think she's talking 2004.
although that would make it 1095 days and change.


I'm confused. :freak:
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:45 PM
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3. Unless you consider Anthrax
Edited on Thu Sep-11-03 03:46 PM by nothingshocksmeanymo
and unless you consider Americans attacked in Bali and other countries.

Based on their weak interpretation, however, Clinton had a much better record.
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:48 PM
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6. I would rather point out the obvious failures
as it's hard trying to disprove a negative.

Where's Osama?

Why has Afghanistan become even more volatile?

Why hasn't Homeland Security been adequately funded?
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:54 PM
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11. And the sniper attacks in the Washington area...
I was absolutely terrorized, as was everyone in the entire area.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:49 PM
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7. I assume this means
Edited on Thu Sep-11-03 03:50 PM by ComerPerro
That I read the post wrong. I thought it said 1,030, not 7,030.

Oh well.
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loudnclear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:50 PM
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8. How many "attack free days" did Clinton have after WTC 1?
How many after OK bombing? And all that was WITHOUT "homeland security." So what are they saying? That there have been absolutely no terrorist attacks in the world or just at home? Do the DC snipers count? Do those school shootings count? Dollar for dollar...we won't know if it's worth it until we do have another attempted attack.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:53 PM
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10. What about the Smiley Face bomber?
...and the kid who flew his plane into the bank building and left a note saying it was in sympathy with al Queda?

And how many violent crimes take place every week in every city in the nation?

I guess it all comes down to the definition of 'attack'...
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CatWoman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:55 PM
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14. Bay Buchanan was on Inside Politics spouting this crap
I've heard other righties say it as well.

We all know they march lockstep.
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jonnyblitz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 04:33 PM
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26. I saw her say that, too , Catwoman.
I think she looks like Pat in drag...:crazy:
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RUMMYisFROSTED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:54 PM
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13. Chester Alan Arthur holds the current record, I believe.
1392 days. Gonna be tough to beat.

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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:58 PM
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17. My opinion is that an attack on the World Trade Center
wouldn't have happened if the Bush administration had kept the Clinton administration's security provisions in place since the first attack on the WTC. Also, they were presented with the Hart/Rudman Homeland Security bill to study. It was not considered and probably wasn't even read or discussed.

http://www.aip.org/enews/fyi/2001/023.html

http://www.nssg.gov/
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papau Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 03:59 PM
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18. Al-Qaida out of Ammo - defeated, or is it just patient - owns the clock?
Edited on Thu Sep-11-03 04:05 PM by papau
So is Bush doing wonders with homeland security in the US and military action in Afghanistan, Iraq and beyond, revealing Al-Qaida as a over-rated adversary thast got lucky and saw a hole in peacetime America’s armor and exploited it with expertise - has it spent its magazine, doesn’t have another bullet, and no more 911's?

or is Al-Qaida reloading and the worst may be yet to come as the Dem's hinted at in the last debate?. CIA Director George Tenet said this year that "Al-Qaida is living in the expectation of resuming the offensive." but is Tenet playing intombin Laden's plan to ruin the US for good in the wider world and divide the west into opposing camps - or is that just Bush's plan?

Inquiring minds want to know :-)

But in any case some interesting folks say Bush's approach is wrong no matter how you look at the situation - Brent Scowcroft, the national security advisor to the first President Bush, sais "Our pre-eminent security priority — underscored repeatedly by the president — is the war on terrorism,..An attack on Iraq at this time would seriously jeopardize, if not destroy, the global counter-terrorist campaign we have undertaken."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=10580

http://www.guardian.co.uk/elsewhere/journalist/story/0,7792,1040063,00.html

http://www.oxfordresearchgroup.org.uk/publications/briefings/winningorlosing.htm

Post-September 11, George Bush began an unwinnable war on multiple fronts against a nebulous enemy. And two years on, a new study shows, the campaign has had little impact on its targets. Brian Whitaker reports <snip>

Professor Paul Rogers, September 2003 "The 'War on Terrorism': Winning or Losing?" says that Two years on, we are losing the 'War on Terror' -Since 9/11, over 350 have been killed in attacks linked to al Qaida, with close to 1,000 injured - Afghanistan remains deeply unstable -occupying troops in Iraq represent '140,000 targets' and lists out in detail the attacks, both thwarted and successful, in the past two years. He says the al-Qaida network has actually been more active than before 9/11 and is collectively showing a capability that exceeds that existing before the 9/11 attacks." - that Al Qaida has grown in strength over the last two years. And that Afghanistan is a disaster because the Military victory over the Taliban was achieved partly by "the provision of large quantities of armaments to Northern Alliance forces, with these armaments subsequently cascading through warlord militias in post-war Afghanistan, strengthening the power of individual warlords and diminishing that of the putative government of Hamid Karzai."


He then suggest Jeff Sach's - and Dennis K's - solution of just get out of Iraq - whatever bad this results in will be less bad than our getting out latter - see VietNam - and suggests:
development aid to Afghanistan
UN to take a central role in Iraq
more vigorous policies to deliver improved development assistance, debt relief and trade reform to narrow the global socio-economic divide
Take the lead in setting a pro-development agenda at the EU, G8 and appropriate UN bodies
View has to encompass the possible connections between terrorism, poverty and exclusion. The growing global socio-economic divide is leading directly to the growth of radical social movements, some of which are prepared to use violence."
"Iraqis must be enabled to develop a democratic and independent state that may well choose to distance itself from Washington."
"It should be possible to involve a wider range of states in peacekeeping, including Arab states… such progress would not be readily achieved without a much clearer and more consistent support for the Israeli/Palestinian peace process."

"It is self-deluding to believe that we can make ourselves more secure through solely military means. Security will unavoidably mean sharing out the world's resources more fairly. Groups linked to al Qaida draw support from local discontent over economic, political or social injustice - symbolised, for many, on a global scale, by the US determination to keep control of key resources - chiefly, oil."

Professor Paul Rogers' latest book is 'Losing Control: Global Security in the 21st Century'






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Creamed Corn Donating Member (143 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 04:01 PM
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19. Attack free? Yes.
Edited on Thu Sep-11-03 04:02 PM by soultron
Terror free? No.

The fear generated by anthrax, continued terrorism abroad, bin Laden a/v, DHS alerts, sniper killings, travel warnings, war and rumor has been constant.

on edit: forgot a few
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_NorCal_D_ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 04:01 PM
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20. America
has been under attack since Bush became president.
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stevedeshazer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 04:05 PM
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21. We WERE attacked since then
Don't forget anthrax...
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 04:29 PM
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25. That was by some republican ops....
not some freaky fanatical islamic jihadist nutbags.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 04:14 PM
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22. Prior to the attack in 1993, we had been attack free for 79,205 days..
So, technically, there have been 2 attacks on the US by foreign entities in the past 82,855 days, or 1,988,520 hours.

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lancemurdoch Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 04:14 PM
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23. How about the attack in LAX?
http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/07/05/la.airport.shooting/

An Egyptian man walked into LAX and opened fired on two Israelis standing in the El-Alal ticket line, killing them both.

I hear Republicans say all the time there have been no attacks in the US since 9/11/01, although they always seem to forget this one.
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radwriter0555 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 04:28 PM
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24. That wasn't an attack. That was an offshoot of a domestic dispute. The nut
blamed the airlines because his wife flew on them to leave him.

He was a mentally ill freak, not a terrorist. He was like simpson.
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catzies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-11-03 04:47 PM
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27. That's a post hoc fallacy anyway, isn't it?
That kind of thinking just drives me nuts.

Oh, and if's that's "true," then doesn't that mean that since he was Chimp in Chief when the attacks took place it's his fault they happened?? If he gets credit for "keeping us safe" since then, how come he doesn't get the blame for letting us get attacked?
:wtf:
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