ARe you scared yet? Want to hear something really scary...

[Scaramouche]

The Genetically Modified Bomb
by Thom Hartmann


Imagine a bomb that only kills Caucasians with red hair. Or short people. Or Arabs. Or Chinese.

Now imagine that this new bomb could be set off anywhere in the world, and that within a matter of days, weeks, or months it would kill every person on the planet who fits the bomb's profile, although the rest of us would be left standing. And the bomb could go off silently, without anybody realizing it had been released - or even where it was released - until its victims started dying in mass numbers.

Who would imagine such a thing?

Paul Wolfowitz, for one. William Kristol for another.
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Three years ago, Wolfowitz, Kristol, and their colleagues suggested this is something the Pentagon should be thinking about. Not just germ warfare, but gene warfare.

And it's not limited just to warfare: Imagine how genetic terraforming could replace diplomacy, could even render the United Nations irrelevant if entire ethnic groups were wiped out or could be controlled by the threat of extinction. Or how it could change the face of politics if an organism got loose that killed off all the people of a particular minority who tend to vote for a particular political party.

Genetically targeted weapons could change world politics forever, according to PNAC.
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http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0910-15.htm

I find this really scary having read Frank Herbert's, "The White Plague." http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0886461677/104-9131973-3964734?v=glance

The plague is transmitted by infected money and coinage...It changes hands so often...

[bif]

1. These fuckers are nuts.

Crazier than we could ever have imagined.

[dolo]

2. Un-be

freaking-lievable

[Code_Name_D]

3. Shades of the ultamate solution.

Every week or so, I keep comming across more and more evdince (not just mear speculation) that tells me we are rapidly going the way of Nazi Germany here. And its examples like this that forces this oppinion.

If things contiue to transpire at this rate, with in two years, Eroupoe would have no choise but to engadge in armed military resistance against US and posibly British agression. The monsters in offcie still seem set on invading Sireya, Iran, or even N Koryea, only that they seem to be playing a case of "which will be next" game.

As for the Gean warfair itself. I find it difcult to beleive one could make such a wepon. A) their just isn't enugh difrence in the gentic code to pick one race out over another, B) Americans are a mix of many races, C) Gean sciences I don't think have come this far yet. However, I suspect that just the attempt to devlupe such technoligyes, even if they are failers, would qualify as crimes against humanity of the worst order.

I hope Dean speaks on this.

[clar]

4. Can't we just invent a 'human bomb'

that only targets facists who want to dominate the world at any expense?

Sorry, I normally don't succumb to flashes of murderous rage, but this makes me nuts.

[BeFree]

5. But that would be like a Holocaust, Right?

And Jonah knows there will never be another one of those, Right?

Friggin neo-nazis. Hitler woulda been proud. We let one hitler get big in the last hundred years, humanity can't afford another. We aim to nip the new one in the bud. Jonah, you should join in.

[Octafish]

6. BFEE SOP: George Shultz, Reagan's Sec of State...

... was on Charlie Rose last night. Known for his relentless monotone, Shultz said he had examined demographical analyses, alluding to the Arab world and southern Asia, and said that these were the regions of the world experiencing exponential growth of terrorism and population, with diminishing resources and without the needed means of producing wealth. Reading between the lines, I was struck that the poor of the world represent the real target of opportunity for the Reich wing's foreign policy and planned race-specific weapons.

It IS troubling, Scaramouche. Especially when we consider Bushler and the BFEE have made plans to deploy Star Wars, even though with the collapse of the Soviet Union there's no strategic rationale. They really are NAZIs: Their obvious goal is world domination. Perhaps the "fortunates" who support them will be allowed to live as their slaves. Here's another site on your subject for additional background:

Genetic Engineering

Serious investigation into genetic engineering began with the Nazi scientists in 1930's Germany. The Rosicrucian and Theosophy inspired beliefs of the Nazis stipulated that a human being's potential, or lack of it, lay in their hereditary blood. 

Today, this racist belief is still held to be true by many prominant and influencial people.  It is this cynical view of Humankind - that specific races are different not only physically, but mentally and behaviorally - that leads to injustice, social inequality, and genocide.

At the turn of the last century, the middle and upper classes were strongly supporting the Eugenics movement, as they saw their financial and social position being threatened by an increasingly militant, educated, and organized working class both in Europe and America.  Eugenicists claimed that as the working classes bred more rapidly than the middle classes, they would by force of sheer numbers eventually take over.  The father of the Eugenics movement, Thomas Malthus, recommended the culling of non-white peoples and white people of lesser stock.  By the 1930's intellectuals such as Bertrand Russell and Aldous Huxley in their early works were strong supporters of Eugenics.  Although after the application of these beliefs resulted in the horrors of the Holocaust, these and other intellectuals quickly reversed their theories.

The Nazi scientists who began genetic engineering as we see it today escaped trial for their inhumane experiments and promptly were offered employment within the growing military-industrial complex.  The CIA's "Operation Paperclip" of which Henry Kissinger was involved, helped Nazis find positions not only in military research but also within the commercial pharmaceutical industry.  American pharmaceutical giant Merck & Co. had been running the US military's biological weapons program since the start of war, and many Nazis and the results of their Death Camp experiments were eagerly harnessed.  Worse still, not a single Japanese scientist was prosecuted for war crimes, even though their victims numbered ten times those of the Germans, and included American and British POWs.  The entire Japanese medical research from "Unit 731", which opened in 1935 to intensify work started since WWI involving horrific experiments that included vivisection, were handed over to the CIA in return for immunity.

CONTINUED...

http://www.geocities.com/newworldorder_themovie/geneticengineering.html

[Scaramouche]

16. Octafish, I don't believe it is inevitable...

Star Wars, and military spending on research, is a way to fund R&D and pass off tax sponsored patents to corporations.

Although, I sometimes fear that our reliance on tools and technology may lead to evolutionary dead end.

[TahitiNut]

7. Some folks might be very surprised to discover ...

... what's in their family tree in such an abrupt fashion. :eyes:

[Karenina]

36. BWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Tee-hee, sputter, chortle, BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :toast:

[BeHereNow]

8. I, and others...

Have been hollering about this for some time...
Read this: Wayne Madsen
http://www.onlinejournal.com/Special_Reports/050303Madsen/050303madsen.html

In their fascist document, "Rebuilding America's Defenses..."
They gleefully and unabashedly state that such weapons
could be a "politically useful tool."
Yes, they are clearly insane and so are we,
for allowing them to use our tax dollars to pursue
the darkest side of humanity to ever emerge
in the history of the world.

BHN

[NashVegas]

52. No Wonder We Want to Peek Inside Cuba's Labs So Badly

In the 1970s, the CIA directed a bio-economic warfare campaign against Cuba. In his book, Biological Warfare in the 21st Century, author Malcolm Dando describes the Cuba campaign as involving the use of blue mold against the nation's tobacco crop, cane smut against the sugar crop, African swine fever against the livestock population, and a hemorrhagic strain of dengue fever against the human population. These attacks were designed to destabilize Cuba's agricultural based economy.

[sangh0]

9. This is Area 51 stuff

It seems the thugs like to brag about all sorts of weapons that they don't have. Meanwhile, in the real world, there are no such genetic markers for ethnicity or race.

This is Star Wars redux. Ignore it.

[RainDog]

32. the article mentions Tay-Sachs and sickle cell anemia

both of which are concentrated in two genetic categories.

No, at this point, they couldn't do such a thing, but there was a time when people could not make an atomic bomb, too.

Split an atom? preposterous.

The issue, to me, is that what they are talking about OPENLY is genocide.

GENOCIDE.

Genocide is a crime against humanity. Anyone who would threaten this, imo, is as much of a terrorist as Osama bin Laden and deserves the same treatment by the American govt and the rest of the civilized world.

This idea of these men should be made known far and wide. Let the American people decide if they want to fund genocide.

If the majority does, then I would have to repudiate my country for being no better than the worst mass murderers in history.

[NewYorkerfromMass]

34. I suggest you read "the andromeda strain" by Crichton

this is hardly science fiction, and it is quite achievable.

[Mairead]

39. "there are no such genetic markers for ethnicity or race."

Really? How do so many people of sub-Saharan African descent manage to get wide noses, dead-flat hair strands, and dark brown skin, then? How about all those epicanthal folds in Asia? The shovel teeth in the Americas?

Those characteristic features are encoded somewhere.

[RainDog]

40. phenotype v genotype

what you're talking about the the physical expression of certain features.

but the reality is that people who come from areas with lots of malaria have made an evolutionary trade off with sickle cell anemia. if someone has only one gene for sickle cell, they are protected from malaria. however, that sickle cell gene is still part of their genotype, even though it is not expressed.

same with hemophilia in females.

however, the issue, to me, is that they would discuss this as though it is not a crime against humanity.

Anyone who would attempt to do this, imo, should be tried in an international court for conspiring to crimes against humanity.

...call it pre-emptive war against genocidal monsters.

[Scaramouche]

41. "Damn, We can get rid of people with shovel teeth...

But that would put orthodontists out of work..."

(said somewhere in a secret lair beneath the Pentagon...)

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

46. FR registration would drop so much that only

infiltrators would be left. :think:

[arcane1]

10. I remember reading about this pnac plan

they were hoping or wanting to device genome-specific weapons (bio I presume)

I think Jeb Bush even signed onto this


sadly, I'm sure the masses of Repubes would think this is a splendid idea. After all, we'll never go to war against white people, right?

[madfloridian]

12. Yeah, the word Genotype was used.

Targeting specific genotypes.

[dofus]

11. Won't happen.

Certainly not in our lifetimes, and probably not ever. This is beyond silly. Stick to worrying about things that could actually happen.

[Pillowbiter]

22. Yeah, like the smallpox disease that killed so many american indians

because they were not genetically immune to it yet never happened?

Please don't be so close minded with something as serious as this. I know it does reach the ends of disbeleif in it's horror, but so did 9/11 and the Jewish Holocaust.

There are certain viral diseases that can be turned on based on a persons genetic make up. This is possible right now, but has occoured naturally in nature. With the current understanding of genetics, it could easily be set to a known marker that can be prevalent in a specific "racial" type.

For example, american indians have a blood type that no other races have. There is a gene for this, and even if the person doesn't have that type of blood, he may still have the recessive gene for it. This wouldn't kill all american indians, but it would reduce their population significantly enough to be weak in the face of any...er...invasion.

All it really takes is finding a genetic marker that is common to most arabs, koreans, whatever the enemy of the day is.

PB

[Scaramouche]

43. Biowarfare has been around for a longtime my friend....

In the Middle Ages the would hurl over the wall of long-besieged towns rotten meat that had proven to kill dogs...

Dead cow in the well...

And the Romans salted the earth of the defeated...

[renegade000]

13. as a half chinese...i would like to say

burn in hell kristol....burn in hell :mad:

[Pillowbiter]

14. I've been crying about this for several months

and never getting any reaction from other DU'ers.

Ah, maybe it's because I didn't say that white people could be hurt by it, only every single semitic person in the world.

Sigh.

PB

[renegade000]

18. no i noticed it before...

although i didn't say anything because i thought the wording was somewhat ambigious within their literature...(perhaps so they could shirk around it if confronted about it?)

[Scaramouche]

19. What do think will happen if they ever discover...

the GAY gene?

[dani]

15. I read somewhere that

the Israeli gov't did some research into this sort of genetic targeting, and so did the South African apartheid gov't. But I'm not sure of the details.

[sangh0]

17. Here's the important detail

It didn't work because it can't work

[salin]

20. While that sounds right to me...

it is still disturbing to me that these folks are even talking about this - in public documents no less. At least the myth of star wars was defensive. This is something else altogether. While I don't think it is a threat, thinking of people who subscribe to this type of thinking (fantastical or not) as being so incredibly influential and close (inside) the White House - gives me a case of the heebie jeebies.

[sangh0]

24. IMO, that's why they talk about it publicly

To scare people. They want you to think they are capable of anything.

[salin]

27. It isn't that...

it's that these folks seem psychologically sick. Maniacally so. Ah..... I guess I just proved your point...

[sangh0]

28. Yes, they ARE sick

Their desire,...no, their NEED to control is a manifestation of a sickness that goes incredibly deep.

But that doesn't mean they can do what they say they want to do.

[salin]

33. Agreed.

I don't think this particular little horror is feasable, but what their discussion about it displays (representing their nationalistic-megalomania) is still profoundly disturbing. These sickos have power, seek more power and seem damned determined to wreak much more havoc on our country and the world in their unsatiable appetite for even more power.

[TreasonousBastard]

44. Perhaps not today. Perhaps not tomorrow.

But research is going at such a frenetic pace that who knows what they'll be able to do in a few years.

Most of the research is going into medicinal uses, but if they can target genes to cure cleft palates and cancer, they can target genes for less savory purposes.

This idea has been wandering around for a few years now, and as everyone else seems to agree, the possibility that they may be able to do it is no excuse for wanting to do it.

[Scaramouche]

21. Maybe not yet...

Read The White Plague:
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0886461677/104-9131973-3964734?v=glance

"Our story opens with the death of the wife and children of brilliant biochemical researcher John O'Neill at the hands of terrorists. O'Neil is driven mad with grief and unleashes a biochemically engineered plague on the world, one that is 100% fatal to women.

While not Herbert's best book, it is still fantastic. Frank paints a horrific picture of governments racing first against each other to be the first to find a cure, and soon realilsing that a cure will only come with cooperation. Each country deals with the plague differently and the sweep of the story stretches around the world and back to the beginning as O'Neil admires his handiwork.

The story is quite action driven for a Herbert book. With most women dying off, the planet soon becomes unrecognizable. Will a cure be found in time? What form will it take? How will humanity survive? Herbert's trademark philosophical ruminations are there, just below the surface for plucking if you're interested. I will say, though, that the irony of thousand-year-old cultures having to re-write themselves overnight in the name of survival wasn't lost on me"
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[paulk]

50. I read that about 20 years ago...

and thought of it immediately when I saw this thread.

Such a weapon seems certainly within the realm of possibility. I would be surprised if our government was the only one pursuing it.

[Scaramouche]

51. Did you read "The Hive" by Herbert???

That would have been a great plot for an X-file movie...

[stickdog]

23. Of course it can't work.

sangh0 says so.

[sangh0]

25. Thank you

for your support

[bif]

26. Why can they concentrate on doing good?

Instead of applying all their thoughts with creating evil in this world?

[sangh0]

29. There's no money in that.

.

[salin]

37. Nothing to privatize to a crony and/or campaign contributor

no no-bid contract to be created, and no leverage to consolidate more political and media control.

[Scaramouche]

38. You can't worship God and Mammon t same time...

can you?

[bloom]

30. sick, sick ,sick

They are trying to be modern "Hitlers"

:puke:

[in_cog_ni_to]

31. That's it!

They are ALL CERTIFIABLE!!! THAT is one of the most frightening things I have ever read! Damn!

[Parche]

35. Scary stuff

Levi's has been doing that with Wrangler for years, nothing new here.

[LalahLand]

42. With almost 200 billion dollars going into Iraq...

theres no money left for Wolfowitz to even think of starting such a program. LOL. I guess the joke is on him.

[elcondor]

45. That is seriously scary

:scared:

[knight_of_the_star]

47. By the Gods!

I knew those fuckheads were crazy, but this is a whole new realm of insanity.

[notadmblnd]

48. And it would be called....

SARS?

[kalian]

49. Hmmm...Jews calling for genetically modified bombs...

Hmmm...where's the irony in that...? :eyes: