Gore in Statistical Dead Heat with Bush: New Poll!

[Tennessee Gal]

Draft Gore: Gore in Statistical Dead Heat with Bush, Leads All Democrats in Zogby/Draft Gore Poll

OAKLAND, Calif., Sept. 11 /U.S. Newswire/ -- For the first time since the 2000 elections, a major poll shows the country split evenly between former Vice President Al Gore and President Bush. The same poll also shows that half the voters in America have not forgotten the controversy of the 2000 election.

The results of the Sept. 5-9 Zogby poll show Bush with less than majority support and only with the narrowest of margins over Al Gore, 48 percent to 46 percent -- a difference that's within the poll's margin of error (3.2 percent). Moreover, Gore leads Bush among independent voters by 47 percent to 43 percent.

"More than two and a half years after the 2000 election and we are back where we started," said pollster John Zogby. "The country was evenly divided then and it is still evenly divided."

The poll, conducted on Sept. 5-9 by Zogby International for Draft Gore (draftgore.com), also shows Gore easily leading all major contenders for the Democratic nomination with 24 percent less than compared to 16 percent for Dean, 12 percent for Lieberman, 11 percent for Kerry, 7 percent for Gephardt, and 2 percent for Edwards.

"These results are stunning, considering that Al Gore is the only potential candidate who1s been out of the limelight since last December," says Draft Gore Chair Monica Friedlander. "The strength of support and staying power Gore enjoys clearly indicate that he has an excellent chance of beating George Bush in 2004. We're confident that results such as these will persuade Vice President Gore to enter the race and lead the Democratic Party to victory in 2004."

None of the other Democratic contenders could hold Bush to less than 50 percent in a similar Zogby poll conducted one week ago. Howard Dean, Gore's closest competitor and widely considered the frontrunner among declared candidates, lagged 10 points behind Bush (42 percent to 52 percent).

"Gore is clearly the most electable candidate," says Bill McCormack of Draft Gore. "What's the 2004 election about if not winning? Four years ago at this time Bush held a lead of more than 10 points over Gore, and Gore still won the popular vote in 2000. Now they start even, and the undecided vote tends to break in favor of the challenger. Gore is in a perfect position for 2004."

http://releases.usnewswire.com/GetRelease.asp?id=136-09112003

[goobergunch]

1. link to where Gore's planning on running, please? (n/t)

[Name removed]

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[grytpype]

3. Why wont Bush v. Gore 2 be a repeat of 2000?

Maybe the press will give Gore a fairer hearing than he got in 2000. But the press hated him and gave him such unfair coverage that it ruined him. Why won't they just do that again?

But to be honest I'm starting to think Gore might be a good candidate to run against Bush. If he gets all the votes he got in 2000 plus the ones that now realize Bush has been a fucking disaster, he has a landslide.

[Must_B_Free]

22. Anybody V Bush will be a repeat of 2000

they have already started in a limited fasion - Dean is Boring, Kerry is Boring - I heard Fox say that every democrat is Boring.

So why not Gore then - he already has the best ammo:
- 8 years proven track record
- 8 years record with no lying
- name recognition

Do any of the other candidates have these credentials?

[Prodemsouth]

41. The One that wilo finally admit Bush is a disaster.

Monkey still has alot of sheep.

[goobergunch]

5. I'm not crying

I'm simply asking for some form of evidence, posted within the last month, that says that Gore himself is interested in running.

Give me a link or don't tell me that he's running.

EDIT: What I meant to say was: Give me a link or don't tell me that he's interested in running.

[Must_B_Free]

14. Read the first sentence: Draft Gore

that means he's not running and that there is a grassroots effort to convince him to run.

Noone said that he was running.

[goobergunch]

23. Let me rephrase that.

Gore has expressed no interest in running. I think it's kind of pointless to draft someone who has disclaimed his candidacy and has no interest in running.

Unless you can show interest in a link, that is.

[Must_B_Free]

36. So you're trying to assert

that Gore can't be drafted unless I can give you a link to something that says he has interest in running?

Can you give me a link to prove this?

[goobergunch]

39. These links say he's NOT running

Gore At Peace With Decision Not To Run

(CBS) One day after making the surprise announcement that he would not run for president in 2004, Al Gore tried to explain his decision.

"It wasn't one thing," said the former vice president Monday. "It was a slow dawning on me that this was the right thing for a whole bunch of reasons."

The news was so surprising because Gore had been everywhere in recent weeks – promoting his books, making speeches, even appearing on "Saturday Night Live." But book sales were poor and so was Gore's ability to raise big bucks from political backers – maybe somber indications of what was to come if Gore had thrown his hat in the ring.

"I don't know what future holds. I'm exploring a lot of possibilities," Gore told a news conference in Raleigh, N.C. In a relaxed, joking speech, Gore said he was at peace with his decision not to run, which he said he made last Friday as he was preparing to appear on the NBC comedy show "Saturday Night Live."

more...http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/12/15/politics/main533080.shtml

Source: Gore still not running

Report: Some Dems want former veep to enter race
From John King
CNN Washington Bureau
Friday, August 1, 2003 Posted: 1:25 PM EDT (1725 GMT)


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former Vice President Al Gore was "amused" by a newspaper report suggesting he is coming under pressure to reconsider his decision not to seek the 2004 Democratic presidential nomination, but he has not changed his mind, according to a confidant.

<snip>

"Every conversation I have had with him leads me to believe there is no way -- under no circumstances," the Gore associate said. Asked specifically about the most recent conversation, the source said, "He was somewhat amused but was clear nothing has changed."

more...http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/08/01/gore/

[Must_B_Free]

44. What are you scared of?

that's the question.

I stated that Gore is not running
I defined the draft movement

and your answer is "He's not running"

Over and over again.

WHAT are you so scared of???

WHY invest so much effort trying to convince people NOT ro draft Gore?

[goobergunch]

49. I am saying he has no intention of running

If he was even thinking about a run, don't you think he'd be making speeches around the country?

I really thought he was going to announce his candidacy in December. The speeches and his increased visibility led me to that conclusion. There is no such evidence now.

If you have any evidence that the thought of running has crossed Gore's mind, please post it.

You can keep saying "We Want Gore" until the cows come home. It won't make it happen if he doesn't want to run. I don't blame him for not running...it's hard enough to run a presidential campaigning (with all of the negative attacks) without doing it again. I understand Gore's position. I don't understand yours.

[Must_B_Free]

55. You need to wake up

you come in with an agenda to derail this thread out of you FEAR of Gore. Admit that you feel threatened and that is the impetus of you many many posts on this thread.

If you believed what you said, you sure haven't demonstrated it in your actions. Your best explanation was "I'm trying to get you to wake up"??!?

I'm waking up ... to your fear of AL GORE!

[Tanketra]

93. Come on

Nobody's afraid of Gore. Most of the people at DU voted for Gore in 2000. And if Gore had announced his candidacy after the SNL appearance, you'd have a ton of support.

But Gore's not the candidate we're talking about here. A cardboard cut-out of Gore being held up by a group of people promising that the real thing will come along any day now if we all clap our hands in unison hard enough and chant "I believe" ... THAT's the candidate we're talking about here.

The Presidency's neither a prize nor a quest. It's a job. And nobody we have to beg to try for the job in the first place is someone I feel comfortable suggesting for the job.

[janekat]

82. goobergunch YOUR article is from August also...

You were getting on my case for posting articles from Aug and July about Gore. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black....

[Blue-Jay]

61. Well...

When Peter Noone says that Gore is running, I'll believe it.



(sorry. just being a smartass)

On topic: Al Gore hasn't expressed (to my knowledge) the slightest interest in running in 2004. Until he does, I'll just say that polls of this nature are entirely moot.

[liberalmuse]

6. Real nice

A person asks for a link and they get this. Jesus fucking Christ.

[goobergunch]

8. In a way it proves my point...

which is that Gore hasn't made any public statements in over a month. If you can prove me wrong, feel free to link me and I will admit my mistake.

[Must_B_Free]

17. he has proven that his remark was sarcastic

read his subsequent remarks

[goobergunch]

28. You still haven't shown me any Gore statement within the last month (n/t)

[Must_B_Free]

31. What does a Gore statement have to do with the Draft Gore movement?

You seem to be saying that he can't be drafted unless he is running.

What are you talking about?

[goobergunch]

34. If he has dropped out of the public eye...

he probably doesn't want to run.

Is Gore's first statement in months going to be: "Hey guys, I'm running for president!"? He's got to start making indications that he at all cares about running or he's not going to run.

IMHO you guys are tilting at windmills.

[Must_B_Free]

38. In your Worthless Opinion

If you are so upset about the Draft Gore movement, then go SPAM for Dean.

If you believed what you said, then you would ignore this post. You wouldn't be wasting your time trying to discourage the Draft Gore movement.

Obviously, you are scared enough to spend a bit of time spreading this BS because you fear that Gore will knock you boy out of the race when he is drafted.

[goobergunch]

40. I'm trying to bring you guys into reality

Gore's not running. Get over it. If you can show me that he's even slightly considering it, I'll stop.

So far, you have posted not one link to back yourself up.

[Must_B_Free]

46. You are the one who owes me a link

You asserted that if Gore doesn't announce his candidacy he can't be drafted.

I'm still waiting for the link...

Where's the Beef?

[goobergunch]

51. post #39 (n/t)

[Must_B_Free]

59. Wrong proof

You were supposed to prove you assertion that Gore could not be drafted unless he was running.

[MercutioATC]

80. So your plan is to hand him the nomination at the convention and HOPE

he takes it? That's the only way to draft a candidate without them running in the primary.

[Q]

54. You have literally hijacked this thread...

...as you do will most Gore threads.

- As as a DUer you should know that telling anyone to 'get over it' sounds like a Neocon trying to stiffle discussion about embarrassing topics.

- Please have a little more patience and CONCERN for those who still care that our Democracy was attacked in 2000.

[goobergunch]

58. I also believe that Democracy was attacked in 2000

That's why I want to defeat * in 2004 with a candidate who's actually running. If we hold out for Gore (who IMHO isn't running), it will be too late.

I'm sorry if I have a tendancy to hijack Gore threads. I'm just not the most patient person in the world...it's one of my faults.

[Must_B_Free]

69. I think this is a little confused

'goobergunch' is the one who hijacked the thread - I merely defended the Draft Gore movement from his baseless assertions.

I am the one using the neocon sounding "get over it" because it's an ironic payback AGAINST the neoconservatives, i.e. anti-Draft Gore efforts.

[janekat]

73. eat your words.... Here's a link AND a Gore Speech

http://www.moveon.org/news/1577.html

From: Eli Pariser, MoveOn.org
Subject: Al Gore's MoveOn Speech and Other Great News
Date: August 7, 2003

Dear MoveOn member,

Two weeks ago, we received a call from former Vice President Al Gore.
Mr. Gore explained that he was deeply concerned about the President's
pattern of misleading the public -- most recently on Iraq, but also on
the environment, the economy, and a host of other domestic issues. He
said he was working on a major policy speech, and he wanted to give it
to MoveOn members and with MoveOn's sponsorship. MoveOn was a good
partner, he said, because so many MoveOn members are engaging in the
national conversation about the direction of our country.

Today, at NYU, over 600 MoveOn members gathered to hear the address.
Attendance was so high that the crowd filled two overflow rooms and
spilled out into the halls, and over 100 members of the national press
corps was there -- every major media outlet in the country and scores
of international outlets as well. CNN and MSNBC covered the speech
live.

Gore's speech reflected and built upon what over 400,000 MoveOn
members have been saying for months now about the evidence on Iraq: In
the rush to war, the President misled the country.

Here's an excerpt:

"I mentioned the feeling many have that something basic has gone
wrong. Whatever it is, I think it has a lot to do with the way we seek
the truth and try in good faith to use facts as the basis for debates
about our future -- allowing for the unavoidable tendency we all have
to get swept up in our enthusiasms.

That last point is worth highlighting. Robust debate in a democracy
will almost always involve occasional rhetorical excesses and leaps of
faith, and we're all used to that. I've even been guilty of it myself
on occasion. But there is a big difference between that and a
systematic effort to manipulate facts in service to a totalistic
ideology that is felt to be more important than the mandates of basic
honesty.

Unfortunately, I think it is no longer possible to avoid the
conclusion that what the country is dealing with in the Bush
Presidency is the latter. That is really the nub of the problem --
the common source for most of the false impressions that have been
frustrating the normal and healthy workings of our democracy."

You can read the entire speech transcript, and, by 5pm EST today, view
streaming video of the event at our homepage:

http://www.moveon.org

At a time when some politicians are scared to take a stand, it's
tremendously heartening to see statesmen like Al Gore take the
President on. And it's MoveOn members like yourself that made this
happen. By consistently speaking out on the important issues, you've
helped make MoveOn a powerful voice for a better future. Thank you.

[goobergunch]

75. I wasn't going to respond, but this is too long ago

It's dated August 7. I asked for something within a month. I think if someone is considering running, they'd give at least one speech a month.

No more responses from me on this thread.

[jcgadfly]

104. Clark hasn't really said anything about running yet

Others have said he's running. Nothing from him.

Should the "draft Clark" people give up too?

[MercutioATC]

37. A political draft isn't a military draft. You realize that, right?

Whether he says he'll run has EVERYTHING to do with it. He has to accept the nomination...you can't MAKE him run against Bush.

[Must_B_Free]

47. A grassroots movement would convince him.

Sorry you have such a problem with people taking action.

It must be scary for you

[goobergunch]

52. Why do you think he wants to face Repuke mud-slinging AGAIN? (n/t)

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[goobergunch]

60. You're saying he should run...

and he won't run if he doesn't want to run.

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[MercutioATC]

79. This isn't the subject of this thread, so I'm letting this go...

I have no problem with people taking action. Personally, I can't see supporting somebody who doesn't have the balls to actually RUN for the office, but that's beside the point too. My only statement was that GG asked a perfectly legitimate question.

I'm not here to tell you whom to support. I'm just wondering why the question upsets you so.

[Cha]

9. Goober was Not "whining"!

What an over reaction to someone asking for a "link".

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[SammyWinstonJack]

11. Gore supporter here!

He was/is my first choice. Nothing and I mean NOTHING would please me more then to see Gore kick the lousy little thieving Whistle ass right out of his stolen digs! :bounce: Gore beat him once and no doubt in my mind, it would be by an even greater margin this time around!

[MercutioATC]

33. I thought it was a reasonable question...

If Gore doesn't run (and he's not, so far), he's got a 0% chance of beating Bush. Gore isn't running like Clark isn't running...he's REALLY not running. He's even said so...on numerous occasions.

GG asked a perfectly legitimate question. Is there new info that Gore is really running? If not, he could poll 100% against Bush and it doesn't matter one bit.

[Must_B_Free]

50. NOT

"GG asked a perfectly legitimate question. "

no - read his posts - GC asked a sarcastic question because he fears the success of the Draft Gore movement.

If he were actually being honest, he wouldn't waste his time derailing a movement that he claims is a dead end.

[goobergunch]

53. I'm actually trying to get you guys into reality...

which sadly, you don't seem to be in.

[Cheswick2.0]

96. pretty funny coming from a kid

Go away and find a thread that supports your candidate. No one is forcing you to think like they do, please extend the same courtesy.

[TheYellowDog]

13. There's no proof Clark is running, either,

but you don't care when Clark supporters post links, Goobergunch. Me thinks this is hypocrisy.

[goobergunch]

15. There is a lot of evidence that Clark is considering a run

WASHINGTON (AP) - Retired Army Gen. Wesley Clark has told friends he is likely to become the 10th Democratic presidential candidate, a move that could shake up the crowded field just four months before the first ballots are cast.

Clark, 58, has not made a decision, but the Arkansas resident is aggressively recruiting campaign staff and plans to announce his intentions next week, friends and party officials said on condition of anonymity. His earliest allies would be from former President Clinton's Arkansas-based political network.

Clark confirmed that he was putting a campaign plan together but chalked it up to the type of ``parallel planning'' common in the military. ``If you want to find out whether you're going to go ahead, you have to have financial resources and you have to have staff available,'' he told The Associated Press.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3136457,00.html

That kind of citation, where a potential candidate personally expresses an interest in running, is what I'm looking for. It's there with Clark. It's not there with Gore to my knowledge.

[Dookus]

16. That's not true.

There's plenty of evidence Clark will run.

Gore has flat-out denied that he will run.

[Cheswick2.0]

95. stop being an ass young un

read up on the idea of drafting a candidate. It is a singularly american enterprize.

[Q]

4. We should be concerned about those who have 'forgotten'...

...How can anyone forget about the end of Democracy?

[Cha]

7. Good for Gore! As Dean said in a statement after we found

out Gore wasn't going to run in the 2004 Presidential race...and I'm paraphrasing here..

Gore didn't get the respect he deserved for what he accomplished.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

10. Clark's Bio Thumps Bush by 9 Points

Plus, Clark is actually interested in running, unlike Gore who has categorically denied that he will run on multiple occasions.

DTH

[Tennessee Gal]

18. Bio?

Huh?

[DoveTurnedHawk]

20. It's to Offset the Name Recognition Problem

Bush is basically matched up against a bio of the person with little name recognition (on the theory that obviously, if Clark got the Democratic nomination, he would have plenty of name recognition).

DTH

[Tennessee Gal]

26. The whole thing is base on a bio?

Well, that doesn't prove much.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

29. Not "The Whole Thing"

But the 49-40 statistic certainly is.

I acknowledge some might not find the methodology convincing. Based on my knowledge of the candidate, however, I fully believe the numbers are pretty close to right-on. I also trust Zogby more than most pollsters.

DTH

[angka]

12. like that hot chick who won't stop flirting with you

i know this is true but where is he? give us gore and redemption. but we need it soon...

[bowens43]

21. Gore isn't running.

BTW the poll numbers are almost exactly the same for 'unnamed democrat' so this isn't exactly earth shattering.

[Tennessee Gal]

25. Well duh!

We are trying to convince him to run. Notice "Draft Gore!"

[goobergunch]

27. Why do you think you will have any success? (n/t)

[Must_B_Free]

30. because Gore has the best credentials

- We already know he is not a liar
- We already know his values
- We saw how he helped lead the country for 8 years
- He has the best name recognition
- America loves the hero to come back and defeat the villan
- He honored and upheld democracy in Election 2000

[goobergunch]

35. Why do you think he would want to run for president?

I think he would make a good president. This isn't about that.

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[goobergunch]

45. How would he be drafted?

That statement doesn't make sense. If x number of people sign a petition, does he automatically become a candidate? :shrug:

[Must_B_Free]

48. We would leave the refridgerator door open

that would make him really chilly.

Then when we turn a fan on, he'll feel the draft.

[incontrovertible]

77. no

they'd have to try to flip delegates at the convention. It'd be a floor fight, with someone with enough stroke entering their name into nomination, primaries be damned.

In other words, a catastrophe.

[bluestateguy]

32. When Gore endorses Wesley Clark will you stop with this?

He is not running for President.

[Must_B_Free]

43. Why would Gore endorse a man who isn't running?

?

[Q]

57. I don't understand...why are you and goober doing this?

- Why are you so concerned with Gore threads? Why hijack threads like this and interrupt the flow of discussion?

[Must_B_Free]

62. It called an Agenda

And these actions are highly suspect in my opinion.

One thing to campaign for your guy Dean, but quite another thing to attack the wishes of others.

And they have done so tenaciously, even though they failed.

[goobergunch]

63. My last post on this thread

I have posted (#39) that Gore isn't running and has no intention of running. If you don't want to believe this, fine. I'll just get back to the business of defeating * in 2004 and leave you guys alone with your Gore fantasies.

And I originally posted (#1) to this thread because I think this poll is pointless. There is no point in conducting a poll between a candidate and a non-candidate.

ON EDIT: If Gore shocks me and does decide to run, you and Must_Be_Free get to write my sig line from February 1-March 1.

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[Wonk]

67. Gore clearly said that he is not running in '04 and I believe him, too. nt

[Cheswick2.0]

97. why would Gore endorse a man who didn't even know he was a democrat

until last week?

[Starpass]

64. That's exactly the type of numbers they give to Hillary Clinton

and you know what, that just proves that this ignorant and deserving to suffer nation, doesn't know shit about who is running for the presidency. They don't support "positions"--they support a name (ahh until they forget the name). So ALERT---in the end they know the name BUSH; we better make sure they know our candidates name. We have X bucks to Bush's 300 million to make that point. Sickening, isn't it.

[Catherine Vincent]

68. Another Gore supporter here!

It breaks my heart whenever I see that thief Bush's face on the tube.

[janekat]

71. Me too

I worked on the Gore campaign. I had a broken heart for about 6 months after. Gore deserves another chance. He was totally screwed over.

[E Pluribus Unum]

72. He is not running

Please get over it

[SammyWinstonJack]

78. Geez!

I wish Gore would run if for no other reason then to shut up the "He is not running, get over it" crowd. :argh:

[Tennessee Gal]

83. LOL!

That was a good one. I have to say I agree. What harm is there in wanting the Democrat who got the most votes ever in a presidential election and who was robbed by the Supreme Court to run again?

Do these people who protest the Draft Gore movement so strongly even want to win?

Hell, our TOP priority should be getting dumb ass out of the White House and Gore is polling higher than anyone!

[Must_B_Free]

87. I'm going to say it even more

Draft Gore!

It drives them into a paranoid frenzy.

The first answer is "He's not running"

then "He doesn't want to run"

I think my Letter to Al Gore literally drove them CRAZY!

[David Zephyr]

70. Notice the Pro-Gore Polls, the "Name Recongition Polls" = Stop Dean

Can you smell the Corporate whores in Congress, the DLC and the Media who are doing their part now try and stop the Dean/Clark steam-roller?

Stories of Hillary reconsidering.
Useless polls where Lieberman has high "name recogniton"
Useless polls about Al Gore.

The fact is that Howard Dean is running ahead in all three critical early contests (Iowa, New Hampshire and South Carolina). All three are diverse ethnically, culturally and politically and yet, there it is Howard Dean on top.

The fact is that Howard Dean has nearly 500,000 signed up volunteers committed to his campaign.

The fact is that Howard Dean is raising money by the bucket loads from small donors.

The fact is that Howard Dean has the angry activist base solidly behind him.

The fact is that Howard Dean is more intelligent than the other candidates, better educated and has real governing experience.

The fact is that Howard Dean actually left Vermont in great condition and with EVERY child having access to healthcare.

The fact is that Howard Dean has nearly 90,000 supporters who meet up in over 450 cities nationwide every month.

The fact is that Howard Dean is far ahead in the critical state of California in every poll of the Democratic Candidates. The state that contributes a disprortionate amount of funds to national political races and has the largest number of delegates at the National Convention.

The Corporate Whores in Congress and their CEO bosses are beginning to run scared that the Dean/Clark ticket is a runaway with Americans.

So...

Here come the useless polls that tell people nothing.

Al Gore will not run.
Hillary will not run.

Clark's entry will suck up the oxygen from Kerry and Lieberman's campaigns putting them permanently into the single digits in every important poll to come.

The enemy is beginning to sweat like Nixon or a whore in church.



"As a result of the war, corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high place

[seventhson]

74. I think Gore-Dean sounds GREAT!!! Beat Bush. Gore for 8, Dean for 8 yrs!!!

THAT is not an anti Dean idea at all!!!!

[Tennessee Gal]

81. What are you talking about?

I am co-founder of Draft Gore and it is entirely a grass roots movement with no professionals involved in any way whatsoever. We are doing this BECAUSE of the DLC and DNC.

[Cheswick2.0]

99. Howard Dean is a centrist who will take corporate money and DLC support

Besides his position on Gay civil unions (which is shared by all the democratic candidates) Dean is a centrist. If he is to get anywhere he will eventually take corporate money and DLC support. That is a fact of life in poltics until we make a law that campaigns be publicly funded.

[incontrovertible]

76. Hillary's a lot more likely.

The 2004 train is leaving, and from what I've gathered, draft movement or not, Gore's a non-starter. The DLC is nothing without the people who write them checks. If Gore were even a possibility, there would be a rolling tidal wave of inevitability that would have started long before anyone had ever even heard of Howard Dean.

There's nine people in the race. They're spending shitloads of time and money. Dean has momentum like a freight train, and after the Iowa and New Hampshire caucuses, I expect everyone except the bona fide DLC golden boy (Edwards, I wager) will fall by the wayside.

There's still time to file in the primaries. If the right polling data comes in, I'd expect Hillary to file and try to do to Dean what they did to Brown. Just a hunch.

[Tennessee Gal]

84. A lot of money is sitting on the sidelines

especially money that was behind Gore last time. Don't forget that Gore still has about $7 million from the last election.

[Gorangutan]

85. Gore WILL accept a draft!

Someone here has been pleading for a link indicating Gore would accept a draft. I can say it was reported by Cindy Adams at Pagesix.com on January 28, 2003 that she was in the know and that he would accept a draft! I also have confirmed with his office in Nashville that he would accept the nomination if it was offered. He deserves nothing less. He has already more than earned it. He won last time. If the people get their act together, he can win it again without a doubt. It was also noted in this thread that Al wouldn't want to deal with the media and repuklican criticism. That is already being taken care of. A media watchdog group has been created and we are more than capable of defending our true President at every corner. We say, bring em on! A concern was also expressed here that Gore needs delegates in the primaries. This is being taken care of. Many serious people are very involved in this effort and you can take this to the bank, Al Gore will be elected President once again next year! Oh and about the $ issue. No problem. He already had 7 million and DraftGore has been raising $ and pledges which grow daily. In addition, it has been reported (look for the link yourself)that Gore's major donors from 2000 are still uncommitted. His big $ awaits his announced candidacy. Bush's head will be spinning shortly, if it isn't already. Get your Gore on people! Take action! Let's make history and restore our democracy with the re-election of our rightful President Gore in 2004!
*DRAFTGORE.COM-Main site for the draft, post in the forums, DONATE, take action!
*ELECTGORE04.COM-donate, great group organizing with DRAFTGORE, drafting delegates
*UNECO.ORG- dedicated Gore loyalists, plz order "Life & Liberty in the Balance"
*ALGORESUPPORTCENTER.COM-hardcore Gore supporters chat, media watchdog group (DOG-Defenders of Gore),take action!
*ALGOREDEMOCRATS.COM-Gore info, Gore chat, lots of great pics of that beautiful President of ours.
These sites to name a few should satisfy any Gore craving. This movement is growing, we would love for you to join us!

[janekat]

86. You have made my day!!!

No you've made my year. I just signed up to volunteer for Gore

[jeter]

88. Haha, this is total nonsense

Gore is well known and still can't beat Bush. As far as the other candidates. Dean has a 30% name recognition. Common sense tells you that when 60 to 70% of people don't know you. You're not going to poll well. Remember that McCain polled similar vis-a-vis Gore in 2000(Remember Bush's argument that only HE could beat Gore - even though Liz Dole polled better than Gore too, why? because she was the wife of the GOP nominee in 1996). Until he got well known and he pulled way ahead of him.

That's the reason why Lieberman and Gepthardt do better in matchups with Bush. Because they are known nationally (Lieberman, the 2000 Dem running mate, Gepthardt the former Dem minority leader).

This idea that Gore is the ONLY Dem is stupid. I've seen polls where Hillary ties Bush or beats him. Why? Because she is nationally known. The only thing that says is that a) Bush's numbers are weak; and b) Gore is a fucking idiot.

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[Tennessee Gal]

91. Every single poll including Gore

has him as the leader of all the Dem candidates and the strongest against Bush. That is simply a fact. His speech a few weeks ago at NYU got rave reviews. He has a grass roots organization that is growing by leaps and bounds in an effort to get him back in the race, money (millions) to use, and he is the most qualified and experienced. The fact that he knows about Draft Gore, could easily contact anyone involved in the organization, but has not, speaks volumes. Think about it.

This effort is coming from the people. Al Gore might be convinced to listen to the people.

[Tennessee Gal]

90. DRAFT GORE!

http://www.draftgore.com/

[tom_paine]

92. My God, if he was only running!

n/t

[Cheswick2.0]

100. thanks for kicking the thread

Draft is the operative word here. But thanks for playing

[Cheswick2.0]

94. Gore would have my support in a split secound

no questions asked.

[SammyWinstonJack]

102. Gore would have my support in a split second

no question asked. Mine also! Draft Gore! :bounce:

[angka]

106. Gore would have my support in a split second

Dean is Keen,
I've got an itch for Kucinich,
But I will go to war for Gore!

did that suck? be honest now. :)

[demnan]

98. I wish Gore was running

as long as he's willing to critize Bush the way he has as a non-candidate. I think it's just too much for him emotionally to do it at this time. The 2000 run must have crushed him emotionally. Here is a worthy man who spent his entire life preparing for the job to be President to have it snatched from him unfairly by a partisan Supreme Court and handed to an ignorant boor.

He's young - he can run in 2008, 2012 or whenever. He still has a future in politics, we haven't heard the last of Mr. Gore.

[EnemyCombatant]

101. Gore or Bust

Listen to youselves.

You still don't get it.
It's more than defeating Bush, we also have to put the right man in office or else we will be in the same rut.

Think about it. Can the Doctor from Vermont who is being cheered on by Rove salvage us?

This is a rhetorical question.

Only one man is qualified and has the passion, insight, vision, leadership. Not only to turn around our economy and salvage world peace and the environment. But to lead us into a new era of peace and prosperity. Also consider the fact that Gore will get people to the polls. We have to win back Congress too or else we will have a lame duck/ass President.

How do I know this? If you would take the time to read Earth In The Balance, Al Gore, outlines a plan that will save the environment and create an economic boon.

Don't think so short-sighted. Have some vision. Electing one of the other candidates will not lead us to peace and prosperity. Sure, we will get rid of Bush, but in exchange for what? (IMHO, I know none of them will win anyway.) Do you trust them to be able to fight terrorism and to handle international affairs. *yawn* We don't need a President in training right now. That would spell disaster. Perhaps a disaster worse than Bush.

If Gore is drafted, it will bring people out in droves to the national election to also vote for Democrat Congressmen. We have to take our country back now.

Read Earth In The Balance, and you will understand my passion for President Gore.

[Q]

105. Good post, EnemyCombatant

...but I believe Gore has other reasons for not running. Much of the Dem party leadership...especially the New Dems (who had their own candidates they wanted to run)...abandoned Gore when he needed them the most. Hell...Lieberman was actually working against him during the recount.

- And then there was the attack of the DLC clones every time Gore had something to say about Bush* policy.

- I'd love Gore to run...but I can't blame him for not wanting to considering the current weak-kneed state of the Dem party.

[VermontDem2004]

103. ....

[newyawker99]

107. kick

[Tennessee Gal]

108. Getting national attention!

Supposed to have a segment on Hardball tonight.

Draft Gore strategists are being called by reporters from various media sources.