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Comedian Tommy Chong Gets Nine Months on Paraphernalia Charges
Assoiciated Press ^ | Sept. 11, 2003 | Dan Nephin


Posted on 09/11/2003 9:14 AM PDT by Wolfie


Comedian Tommy Chong Gets Nine Months on Paraphernalia Charges



Pittsburgh — Tommy Chong, who played one half of the dope-smoking duo in Cheech and Chong movies, was sentenced to nine months in federal prison and fined $20,000 on Thursday for selling bongs and other drug paraphernalia over the Internet.

The 65-year-old Chong was allowed to remain free until federal prison officials tell him in a few weeks where he must report to prison.

Chong also forfeited about $100,000 for his arrest on federal drug paraphernalia charges. He'll spend a year on probation after he's released from prison.

Chong's business, Nice Dreams Enterprises, which made a line of marijuana bongs and pipes, was to be sentenced later Thursday.

Chong pleaded guilty in May to conspiring to sell drug paraphernalia and also pleaded guilty on behalf of Nice Dreams Enterprises, which did business under the name Chong Glass.

Chong's plea came after federal Drug Enforcement Administration agents purchased his paraphernalia and had them shipped to an undercover business in Beaver Falls, a city northwest of Pittsburgh. Agents also confiscated his company's paraphernalia during raids of "head shops" in numerous states and confiscated "thousands of marijuana bongs and pipes" in a raid of his Gardena, Calif., business.

His plea followed a series of raids in February by the DEA in which at least 55 people were charged with trafficking in illegal drug paraphernalia. Federal officials said the investigation targeted the nation's biggest Internet distributors of paraphernalia.

Prosecutors said Chong was the first person to plead guilty in the raids.

The actor-comedian recently had a recurring role on Fox's "That '70s Show."



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1 posted on 09/11/2003 9:14 AM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Wolfie

I feel so much safer now.


2 posted on 09/11/2003 9:17 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help support terrorism.)
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The goose steppers are on the move.


3 posted on 09/11/2003 9:18 AM PDT by corkoman (did someone say cheese?)
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This sucks, I liked his Leo character on That 70s show.

I don't understand how the government can outlaw an object and the selling of that object if it has a legal use? He was not supplying the actual drugs. Just stupid, a waste of money.


4 posted on 09/11/2003 9:22 AM PDT by CollegeRepublican
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Don't call them to ask for Dave.

He's not there.


5 posted on 09/11/2003 9:24 AM PDT by Mr. Jazzy (Proud to be a charter member of the Anit-Tag Line Association.)
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To: CollegeRepublican

Leagal use being... what? Smoking tobacco with a bong? Yeah, that's what people use them for...


6 posted on 09/11/2003 9:24 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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Thank God that animal is off the streets.


7 posted on 09/11/2003 9:25 AM PDT by GSWarrior
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Don't get me wrong, I don't think he's an evil dude, but he did break the law. And I'm sure he knew that he was doing so. At least he's man enough to face up to the consequences.


8 posted on 09/11/2003 9:26 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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I don't understand how this can happen when here in San Diego, at least, we still have quite a few headshops selling bongs, pipes and all manner of obvious drug paraphernalia. All with little signs that say, "Its not a Bong, its a Water Pipe" and that those who use the dreaded "B" word will be asked to leave.

Is selling this stuff illegal or not?


9 posted on 09/11/2003 9:27 AM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (...and pecked by the dove...)
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Should of established business in Arizona.

All kinds of smoke shops with bongs and pipes here, it's legal biz.


10 posted on 09/11/2003 9:28 AM PDT by Rain-maker
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To: CollegeRepublican

I don't understand how the government can outlaw an object and the selling of that object if it has a legal use? He was not supplying the actual drugs. Just stupid, a waste of money.

There are those who wish to apply the same logic to guns.


11 posted on 09/11/2003 9:28 AM PDT by Blue Screen of Death
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To: Wolfie

More Ashcroft idiocy.


12 posted on 09/11/2003 9:31 AM PDT by aruanan
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"Hey man, who cut your hair"?


13 posted on 09/11/2003 9:34 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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The goose steppers are on the move.

See post 8 above for an example of equating law with morality.


14 posted on 09/11/2003 9:34 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: Trampled by Lambs

Problem was selling it over the internet.

The laws prohibiting sale of paraphernalia differ greatly from state to state. And even city to city. Maybe he shipped to "dry" jurisdictions.

Thing is, the shops that sell this stuff get it from wholesalers. It moves over state lines in transit. How this differs to what Tommy did is unknown.


15 posted on 09/11/2003 9:38 AM PDT by moehoward
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Another tremendous victory for the WoD!! Let's throw a few more billion dollars at this and we might be able to bust a couple of teenagers smoking a doob behind the 7-11!


16 posted on 09/11/2003 9:40 AM PDT by CheezyD
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Thanks for pointing that out. I assume you are saying that the law is wrong? I'm not sure that I agree, because I am not a "if-it-feels-good-do-it" kind of person. The drug war has lots of contradictions to which I have no answers. But a lack of resolution doesn't mean that those laws in regards to drugs and drug paraphenalia can be ignored without consequence.

While it is something I wouldn't have done, I can see TChong's point of view and his actions. And, at the same time, I can respect him for basically saying, "Yeah, dude, I'm guilty. I'm takin' rap for it."

That was my point, okay?


17 posted on 09/11/2003 9:44 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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"Class! Class! CLASS!


18 posted on 09/11/2003 9:44 AM PDT by 50sDad ("There are FOUR LIGHTS! FOUR LIGHTS!")
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I have to notice that the other member of this semi-memorable team has grown up, gone on with his life, and is playing adult characters his own age. It's no longer 1972, folks.


19 posted on 09/11/2003 9:45 AM PDT by 50sDad ("There are FOUR LIGHTS! FOUR LIGHTS!")
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Yup


20 posted on 09/11/2003 9:45 AM PDT by biblewonk (Spose to be a Chrisssssssstian)
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To: Frank_Discussion

"Smoking tobacco with a bong?" Yuck, I bet that would make you very sick.


21 posted on 09/11/2003 9:49 AM PDT by TBall
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If the prosecutor in this jurisdiction has the time to run a sting on bong sales by a 65 year old pop icon, I hope there are no unsolved murders, rapes, thefts, etc. in that locale. The point is, our tax dollars are wasted on law enforcement spending time on the penny-ante $hit that harms no one while they cry lack of manpower to solve real crime.


22 posted on 09/11/2003 9:51 AM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (Don't.....answer the phone man!)
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First they came for the Bongs, and I said nothing because I wasn't a dope smoker...., Then they came for the SUVs and I said nothing, because i drove a Ford Escort;Then they came for the Guns, And the rest of my Freedoms along with them......


23 posted on 09/11/2003 9:51 AM PDT by hobbes1 ( Hobbes1TheOmniscient® "I know everything so you don't have to" ;)
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I noticed that no-one has explained the legal use of a bong, er, excuse me, WATER PIPE.


24 posted on 09/11/2003 9:51 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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Matthew 5:10
Blessed are they which are persecuted for righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.


25 posted on 09/11/2003 9:57 AM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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I noticed that no-one has explained the legal use of a bong, er, excuse me, WATER PIPE.

Back in my day, we would fill ours with colored water and place it on the coffee table (old wire cable spool, of course).

It was simply beautiful. "Art," if you will. That's legal, isn't it?</sarcasm>


26 posted on 09/11/2003 9:59 AM PDT by newgeezer (Just my opinion, of course. Your mileage may vary. You have the right to be wrong.)
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27 posted on 09/11/2003 10:00 AM PDT by TBall
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I don't understand how the government can outlaw an object and the selling of that object if it has a legal use?

It's one of those dangerous 'dual use technologies'.


28 posted on 09/11/2003 10:02 AM PDT by StriperSniper (The slippery slope is getting steeper.)
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Ashcroft is a puritanical fundamentalist fanatic.

In the view of people like him, the only proper activities in life are going to work, going to church (frequently), and having "family time"

He's going after potheads and pornographers because they are symbolic of everyone in society who rejects his repressive mores. They may actually be having fun and that cannot be tolerated in Ashcroft's America.

Meanwhile, millions of illegal immigrants run rampant.


29 posted on 09/11/2003 10:03 AM PDT by WackyKat
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30 posted on 09/11/2003 10:04 AM PDT by somemoreequalthanothers (Don't.....answer the phone man!)
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To: Frank_Discussion

"I noticed that no-one has explained the legal use of a bong, er, excuse me, WATER PIPE."

There is none. This is a fiction created by the headshops in order to stay open due to a loophole in the law. Apparently, as long as a product does not explicitly state that it is intended for illegal drug use, it is legal. Someone decided that the word "bong" meant drug use was intended while a "water pipe" could claim to be for tobacco use even though everyone concerned knows better.


31 posted on 09/11/2003 10:04 AM PDT by Trampled by Lambs (...and pecked by the dove...)
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Oh, in that case, I'll trot out some kiddie porn, frame it, and hang it on the wall. It would just be "decoration".

I'm not equating kiddie porn and drugs, but rather saying that owning illegal-use items and re-defining them in their unused state as "decoration" is a bunch of crap.


32 posted on 09/11/2003 10:04 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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Hookah Bars Enjoy A Blaze of Popularity


33 posted on 09/11/2003 10:06 AM PDT by Wolfie
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Laugh if you will, but one more 65 year-old accessory to terrorism will soon be off the street!

I'm trying my best to feel safer.

Declare Victory and go home, Czar Walters.


34 posted on 09/11/2003 10:07 AM PDT by headsonpikes
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explained the legal use of a bong, er, excuse me, WATER PIPE.

Besides tobacco, there are plenty of herbs that the government hasn't outlawed(yet) that could be smoked with them.


35 posted on 09/11/2003 10:07 AM PDT by StriperSniper (The slippery slope is getting steeper.)
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Hmmm... A realistic response. Thank you!


36 posted on 09/11/2003 10:07 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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DIY ping.




37 posted on 09/11/2003 10:08 AM PDT by Wolfie
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In the view of people like him, the only proper activities in life are going to work, going to church (frequently), and having "family time"

Wow, that's a tough one: work, church and family time - or smoking dope? What to do, what to do?


38 posted on 09/11/2003 10:09 AM PDT by mountaineer
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Guns are used illegally often.
Do you have the same opinion of them?


39 posted on 09/11/2003 10:14 AM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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Whatever you decide, make sure you check with the government first.


40 posted on 09/11/2003 10:14 AM PDT by Wolfie
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Not necessary.


41 posted on 09/11/2003 10:16 AM PDT by mountaineer
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I don't understand how the government can outlaw an object and the selling of that object if it has a legal use? He was not supplying the actual drugs. Just stupid, a waste of money.

There are those who wish to apply the same logic to guns.

Bingo- beat me to it.

But, think of the children.... Won't someone please think of the children?


42 posted on 09/11/2003 10:17 AM PDT by Modernman
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Check out Jock Sturges or Sally Mann.


43 posted on 09/11/2003 10:18 AM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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Better safe than sorry. Its the American Way. Wouldn't want to get caught coloring outside the lines.


44 posted on 09/11/2003 10:18 AM PDT by Wolfie
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I think the children need protection from Osama more than from Tommy Chong.


45 posted on 09/11/2003 10:19 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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I wish I could remember all the words to "The Bust." All I can remember is "Apriiiiiilllll Fooooolsss! Hey man, did you think I was a cop? What are you cryin' for man?"


46 posted on 09/11/2003 10:20 AM PDT by Skooz (Exterminate Terrorist Vermin)
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way back yonder, i had several friends that absolutely, positively did NOT smoke dope, but love to buy different looking roach clips with feathers and such and clip them to their hatbands (they were rodeo nuts). One day a new cop in the small town in which we lived told them that is was paraphenalia and he could arrest them for having them in their possession.

They said ok...tell ya what dude go in their and arrest the owner of the only diner in town for having drug paraphanelia....they said she has a bottle of toothpicks on every table and everyone we know that smokes dope, breaks a toothpick in half to use as a clip. Either that or a bobby pin, so arrest every lady you see with bobby pins in her hair.

Barney got upset over this and tried to make a fuss, till someone explained to him just how easy it would be to dispose of his body in the local swamp.

He had no more problems with roach clips after that...Now remember this was in a small town (700 pop) in very rural NE louisiana about 20 or so yrs ago....barney had a "come to Jesus" meeting and saw the error of his ways.


47 posted on 09/11/2003 10:20 AM PDT by cajun-jack
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I feel so much safer now.

You beat me to it.


48 posted on 09/11/2003 10:22 AM PDT by Protagoras (Putting government in charge of morality is like putting pedophiles in charge of children.)
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Wow, that's a tough one: work, church and family time - or smoking dope? What to do, what to do?

Hey, do whatever you want- if church is your thing, more power to you. My idea of a good time might be different and, as long as my vices harm only myself and other willing participants, why would you care?


49 posted on 09/11/2003 10:22 AM PDT by Modernman
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"Ashcroft is a puritanical fundamentalist fanatic. "

So right! He is worse than the islamic fundamentalist terrorists because he has real power.


50 posted on 09/11/2003 10:22 AM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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[dutchdemocrat]

1. This is backfiring on Bushco Big time

To: Frank_Discussion

an unjust law is no law, that is what Thomas Jefferson said, and I agree. Pistol permits, the assault weapons ban, smoking bans, tax codes... there are thousands and thousands of examples of unjust laws that should not be followed.

with the overcrowding of prisons in this country largely due to increasing incarceration of individuals for nonviolent drug related offenses, I can only wonder if a rapist, murderer, or other violent thug was let out of prison early to make room for Tommy Chong.

A guy who sold some bongs.

Truly sad.


51 posted on 09/11/2003 10:23 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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I wonder if Tommy will get to go to a nice "Club Fed" minimal security facility, like the Enron guy who plead guilty to helping bilk investors out of millions of dollars.


52 posted on 09/11/2003 10:25 AM PDT by Wolfie
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think the children need protection from Osama more than from Tommy Chong.

I don't know, pot-smokers are well-known for their terroristic tendencies (eating all the oreos in the house being one of their lesser crimes) </sarcasm


53 posted on 09/11/2003 10:25 AM PDT by Modernman
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I don't care what you do.


54 posted on 09/11/2003 10:26 AM PDT by mountaineer
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Would you say the same applies to a hookah?


55 posted on 09/11/2003 10:26 AM PDT by jayef
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If the prosecutor in this jurisdiction has the time to run a sting on bong sales by a 65 year old pop icon, I hope there are no unsolved murders, rapes, thefts, etc. in that locale.

I live near Gardena where Tommy's business was. Gardena is in L.A. county.

Since I live here, I can assure you that we have no crime problems more pressing than busting Chong's Bongs, Inc. . /sarcasm


56 posted on 09/11/2003 10:26 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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He is worse than the islamic fundamentalist terrorists because he has real power.

Yeah, as evidenced by the piles of dead women and children he has killed via suicide bombing and crashing airliners into loaded skyscrapers.


57 posted on 09/11/2003 10:28 AM PDT by Skooz (Exterminate Terrorist Vermin)
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That's where I was going with my post 54. Sorry, I see you've already gone there. Thanks for your continued counterattack on this stupidity.


58 posted on 09/11/2003 10:28 AM PDT by jayef
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Post 55, sorry.


59 posted on 09/11/2003 10:29 AM PDT by jayef
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No, because they are NOT built specifically for illegal actions but claimed otherwise. Guns are like basball bats in that respect - they're MEANT for a game, but CAN be used to harm someone or destroy property. Bongs are for smoking dope, which is illegal.

As I said before, though, and lots of folks are missing it, I actually respect TChong for taking his lumps on this. If he wants to make a bigger issue out of it, then maybe he should. But he DID break the law, despite its disputed constitutionality.


60 posted on 09/11/2003 10:29 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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So, when he was marketing from his website, did he call it "The Chong Bong?"


61 posted on 09/11/2003 10:30 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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WOD Ping


62 posted on 09/11/2003 10:32 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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as long as my vices harm only myself and other willing participants, why would you care?

I don't care what you do.

Do you support laws that punish him for what he does?


63 posted on 09/11/2003 10:33 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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Oh come on, can't we just keep this a fun Cheech and Chong thread?


64 posted on 09/11/2003 10:34 AM PDT by Skooz (Exterminate Terrorist Vermin)
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I thought all of you folks were concerned about the health risks of smoking cannabis. Through these silly attacks on bongs, aren't you concerned that we could be losing the mitigation on health effects that smoking with a bong provides? Or are your health concerns just a ruse?


65 posted on 09/11/2003 10:35 AM PDT by jayef
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drug bans, gun bans, restrictions on liberty here, destruction of our Constitution there... The only common thread is statists and socialists, hell bent on power and control.

I hate to say it, but I hope something serious happens, and soon. This continued attack on our Liberties, and the erosion of our Constitution, must end as soon as possible.


66 posted on 09/11/2003 10:36 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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To: Wolfie

drug bans, gun bans, restrictions on liberty here, destruction of our Constitution there... The only common thread is statists and socialists, hell bent on power and control.

I hate to say it, but I hope something serious happens, and soon. This continued attack on our Liberties, and the erosion of our Constitution, must end as soon as possible.


67 posted on 09/11/2003 10:36 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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ok. Hey, I still say that you all are missing my point!! The WoD is contradictory, I know this! And I can understand what TChong's motivations were. In my personal view, it's not something I would have done, but I can't say I would condemn the guy for it. In a very real way, he's doing the right thing by taking the lumps. If I were him, I'd try like blazes for probation. He would most likely receive it.

I'm glad you got off on gettin' back at the MAN, but dude, lay off of me on this. I only know that bongs are for doing drugs, which IS illegal. Should it be illegal? Hell, I don't know, but I'm not debating that.


68 posted on 09/11/2003 10:37 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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Come on, Tommy would want us to laugh. Laugh, people.



69 posted on 09/11/2003 10:38 AM PDT by Skooz (Exterminate Terrorist Vermin)
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Yep, I stumbled on to the hookah cafe phenomenon back when the latest paraphernalia busts started going down. A company called "Hookah Brothers" is the biggest supplier to the cafes. They're based in LA too. Don't know how they can operate with impunity, unless its part of our Justice Depts' neverending quest to NOT offend Middle Easterners.


70 posted on 09/11/2003 10:39 AM PDT by Wolfie
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So, when he was marketing from his website, did he call it "The Chong Bong?"

Our minds must be on the same wave length (see post 56).

Tommy's listed in the phone book here under Chong's Glass. I should drive by there and see if it's boarded up. I could glue a pack of Zig-Zags to the door.


71 posted on 09/11/2003 10:39 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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The point is, our tax dollars are wasted on law enforcement spending time on the penny-ante $hit that harms no one while they cry lack of manpower to solve real crime.

The DEA or what ever alphabet agency that decided to conduct this investigation have their priorities all F-ed up! Is this all these people have to do?

Bush ought to tell the DEA to quit chasing G-damn pot pipes on the internet and get their asses on the border to help the INS stop the hundreds of thousands of people that are entering our country illegally, creating nationwide fraud and chaos.

I wonder how much of our tax money went into this stupid ass investigation. I bet they spent $800,000 of our tax dollars over this bull shet. And now they are going to house and feed this guy for 9 months?

The joke is on us.


72 posted on 09/11/2003 10:40 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf
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What "you folks" you taling to? This "folks" says that I don't agree with smoking dope, and it is my right to not agree with the practice.

If the law against it is unconstitutional, then keep trying to get it changed. It's that simple.

Don't lump me in with some "folks" just because I don't see things EXACTLY as you do.


73 posted on 09/11/2003 10:42 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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You win! Skimmed to see if anyone had beat me too it, but obviously too fast and light.

It's a wonder neither of those guys did time before this, considering everything.


74 posted on 09/11/2003 10:45 AM PDT by VadeRetro
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Some child molesters will probably spend less time in the slam than a totally peaceful guy who likes to make glass pipes.

If we keep this up, perhaps the Islamists won't hate us anymore. Maybe that's the plan.


75 posted on 09/11/2003 10:46 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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It is you who is missing the point. The law IS unconstitutional (they needed an amendment for the first prohibition) and moreso, an immoral law.

You do not understand the difference between "illegal" and "criminal". That's OK, I will take a few seconds to explain it to you real fast, it's easy to understand.

A "crime" is an action which initiates force or fraud. Examples of "crimes" are rape, assault, theft, murder, drunk driving (that is fraudulently using public roads!), insurance scams, violating terms of a contract, etc.

Something can be "illegal" while not being "criminal". Examples include growing/possessing/smoking marijuana (or other drugs), owning an unregistered handgun, owning a banned "evil assault rifle", etc. These acts are not crimes, you are not initiating force or fraud on another person.

I hope this helps. Maybe you SHOULD be debating whether or not drugs should be illegal.


76 posted on 09/11/2003 10:48 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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I have a Hookah Brothers 3 tubed hookah. It's pretty good.

I have never tried it with tobacco, though...


77 posted on 09/11/2003 10:49 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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78 posted on 09/11/2003 10:50 AM PDT by Wolfie
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More like the G men are pussy's and go for the most publicity bang for the buck, instead of being brave & hunting actual animals of danger.

Tsk,tsk, little men!


79 posted on 09/11/2003 10:51 AM PDT by norraad
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Chong was selling flower vases with articles affixed to it for smoking --- whatever; Marijuana, tobacco, powdered laundry detergent, wood shavings, dried lemon peels. God knows what people do with what he sells.

If there's no residue of controlled substances in the wares he sells, it shouldn't be illegal. Surely the intent was to sell marijuana smoking tools, but *Intent* laws are bullcrap, and you know it.

If I am a farmer selling cucumbers over the web, and it gets in the hands of some old spinster -- am I really selling sexual devices if she uses it in that manner, or does it somehow change things if I package them as having some sexual and erotic connotations to them? They're still just cucumbers, no matter how they're marketed.

You have some thinking to do before you are so eager to throw fellow Americans in jail.


80 posted on 09/11/2003 10:51 AM PDT by The KG9 Kid
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The Memory Hole: Tommy Chong's Deleted Paraphernalia Website


81 posted on 09/11/2003 10:51 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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82 posted on 09/11/2003 10:52 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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exactly! mine are always clogging up, and i can't find a good way to clean them. I have tried that formula 420 stuff, it doesn't work so well in the tubes and is very hard to rinse out.

I am thinking about using a rifle brush!

what do you think? any suggestions?


83 posted on 09/11/2003 10:53 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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"If the prosecutor in this jurisdiction has the time to run a sting..."

Can I get a big AMEN???


84 posted on 09/11/2003 10:53 AM PDT by beelzepug (incessantly yapping for change)
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Pax:
"He is worse than the islamic fundamentalist terrorists because he has real power."
Skooz:
"Yeah, as evidenced by the piles of dead women and children he has killed via suicide bombing and crashing airliners into loaded skyscrapers."

Waisting time on Chong and herb tokers will make him equally culpable for any future terrorist acts not prevented under his watch.


85 posted on 09/11/2003 10:54 AM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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You do not understand the difference between "illegal" and "criminal". That's OK, I will take a few seconds to explain it to you real fast, it's easy to understand.

malum in se versus malum prohibitum. Some things are illegal because they're inherently bad (murder) while others are illegal because society has decided it doesn't like the activities in question (jaywalking, pot-smoking).


86 posted on 09/11/2003 10:55 AM PDT by Modernman
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Buy a bong over the internet? Whatever happened to using a core from a roll of toilet paper and some aluminum foil?


87 posted on 09/11/2003 10:55 AM PDT by Born Conservative
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Yet somehow Hookah Brothers has escaped the wrath of Ashcroft (along with the thousands of other websites still in business).


88 posted on 09/11/2003 10:56 AM PDT by Wolfie
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Buy a bong over the internet? Whatever happened to using a core from a roll of toilet paper and some aluminum foil?

The hits are way to harsh from those babies, although they crudely get the job done. ...And, of course, they're pipes not bongs.


89 posted on 09/11/2003 10:58 AM PDT by Mr. Mojo
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"Do you support laws that punish him for what he does?"

I do! I do!

And can we also punish him for the condescension, ignorance, and selfishness exhibited by the statement, "my vices harm only myself and other willing participants"? Awwww. We can't?


90 posted on 09/11/2003 10:58 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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91 posted on 09/11/2003 10:58 AM PDT by viligantcitizen
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The blue stuff sold by Amway. It's uncanny how well it works.


92 posted on 09/11/2003 11:00 AM PDT by Skooz (Exterminate Terrorist Vermin)
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Nope, I haven't missed your point, but rather you and many here have missed mine. I am not convinced that the drug trade is not hurting anyone, so I'm not prepared to to jump on the "legalize pot" bandwagon.

But TChong is taking his lumps, and now has a very public soapbox to speak from. If that is his wish, and it is his right, then he can do so. And SO CAN ANYBODY ELSE!! Maybe it will be educational. Maybe I'll feel differently about the situation.

But it isn't my bailywick - I won't be sweating it as a research project.

From my limited exposure, I've seen it hurt people. It could be from those people's own failings, but it depends on your views.

Gotta leave this thread, much work to do.


93 posted on 09/11/2003 11:00 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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That is the DEAman and he is really just out to spread fear
of the government in order to foster the tyranny of the
majority in their baseless morality modification schemes.


94 posted on 09/11/2003 11:01 AM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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95 posted on 09/11/2003 11:02 AM PDT by Wolfie
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Waisting time on Chong and herb tokers will make him equally culpable for any future terrorist acts not prevented under his watch.

Well, that proposition can be niether proven nor disproven, but to equate Ashcroft with the Islamic terrorists is beyond the pale.


96 posted on 09/11/2003 11:02 AM PDT by Skooz (Exterminate Terrorist Vermin)
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can we also punish him for <...> selfishness

Go for it, Hillary.


97 posted on 09/11/2003 11:03 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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"The file you have requested is not publically available."


98 posted on 09/11/2003 11:04 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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So that's what that switch does! ;)


99 posted on 09/11/2003 11:06 AM PDT by Wolfie
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hey my friend...i wasn't on you...i was just responding..wasn't me that told the sissy lil twit he would wind up as catfish bait either.

I, just like you, don't know what is legal and what isn't legal. Crackheads use steel wool and brillo pads...should they be considered drug paraphanelia also??? I was merely making conversation and pointing out the absuridty of some of the goobermints ambitions.

Chong also sells a line of "clean-out" products to erase the thc in your system. Why wasn't these items considered as paprphanelia>> they clearly have no use other than to help someone pass a drug screen. I don't smoke the stuff, never have and never will...my (grown) kids don't either, so i really don't have a dawg in this fight other than some goobermint beaurocrat trying to dictate what we can own and what we can't....let a cop stop you and see a pair of stats in your vehicle...you had better be wearing a nurses uniform or that is paraphanelia.

Hell, i oughta start makin shine..they ain't lookin fer that anymore. lol


100 posted on 09/11/2003 11:10 AM PDT by cajun-jack
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[dutchdemocrat]

2. Can you stand some more?

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The only problem is that you have to speak with an Amway cultist to buy the stuff, but I guarantee nothing works better.


101 posted on 09/11/2003 11:11 AM PDT by Skooz (Exterminate Terrorist Vermin)
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that is RE-LEGALIZE


102 posted on 09/11/2003 11:12 AM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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He has the power and has shown the will to do far greater
harm to the liberty of this nation. I do not fear terrorists.
I do fear Ashcroft.

"When the government fears the people there is liberty; when the people fear the government there is tyranny." --Thomas Jefferson


103 posted on 09/11/2003 11:15 AM PDT by PaxMacian (Gen 1:29)
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Ok. You get the last word. Uh....


104 posted on 09/11/2003 11:16 AM PDT by Skooz (Exterminate Terrorist Vermin)
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Framed
I was sitting in the coffee shop just minding my own affairs
When all of a sudden this policeman caught me unaware
He said is your name Pedro, I said yeah i guess so
He said then come with me cause your the guy we been looking for
I sai hey man i been framed!
Hey, no, really man i been framed
Awwwwww, I never do nothin' wrong, but every time i get the blame
I been framed!
They put me in the lineup and let the bright lights shine
There was ten poor dudes like me, standing in that line
I knew I was the victim of somebody's evil plan
When this scroungy looking dude said, yeah that's him man
Hey wait a minute man i been framed man!
Oh listen to me judge I was framed!
I never do nothin' wrong, but every time i get the blame
Hey I been framed!
Then the prosecuting attorney stared prosecuting on me
That dude gave me the first, second, and third degree
He said where were you on the night of July 29
I said I was home in bed
He said judge that man's lying
I said wait a minute man I was framed man!
Hey judge, listen to me, really, you gotta believe me I been framed man!
I never do nothing wrong, but every time i get the blame
Oh I was framed!
Now i deny the charges of having any weed
I also deny the charges of taking any speed
I deny the charges of selling any grass
But when the judge looked down and said guilty
I said judge you can kiss my-- FRAAAMMMMEDDD!!
Judge, Im telling you the truth, I was framed man!
I never do nothing wrong, but every time i get the blame
Hey I was framed!
Ohh framed, you gotta believe me judge, that wasn't even my stuff, I was holding it for a friend man
Could this face life man!?
Cmon judge, don't slam me in jail man
I just got my car fixed!
Look, I just got a new tattoo and everything man
Ohhhhhhh man, what a bummer
Oh cmon judge, gimme a break PLEEASSE!
Oh judge, don't take me away, I was framed!
Man, really I been framed



105 posted on 09/11/2003 11:17 AM PDT by the_devils_advocate_666
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I do! I do!

You can honestly tell me that you're happy with your tax dollars going to house, clothe, and feed this evildoer?


106 posted on 09/11/2003 11:18 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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It is getting dang hard to leave this thread, lol!

"Crackheads use steel wool and brillo pads...should they be considered drug paraphanelia also???"

Nope. They are expressly intended for non-drug use. Bongs are for drug use.

I understand your issues with "some goobermint beaurocrat trying to dictate what we can own and what we can't" or what we can do and what we can't. I have the same issue with the speed laws. I do speed, because the speed laws are capricious in my opinion. But if I get caught, I own up to it. Doesn't mean I like it, though.

I've even owned "speeding paraphenalia" (radar detector) though that was legal in the places I have driven.

"Hell, i oughta start makin shine..they ain't lookin fer that anymore. lol"

Now, THERE ya go! I'm a beer brewer myself!


107 posted on 09/11/2003 11:20 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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I stand corrected!


108 posted on 09/11/2003 11:20 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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I noticed that no-one has explained the legal use of a bong, er, excuse me, WATER PIPE.

So you're actually willing to wait for Your Big Stupid Government to define what you can do with glassware?

No wonder the Republicans are succeeding in making Your Big Stupid Government even bigger and stupider.

Thank god millions of Americans just ignore stupid laws.


109 posted on 09/11/2003 11:21 AM PDT by Hank Rearden (Dick Gephardt. Before he dicks you.)
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Oh hey man, it's only an ambulance.............


110 posted on 09/11/2003 11:22 AM PDT by showme_the_Glory (No more rhyming, and I mean it! ..Anybody got a peanut.....)
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wanna swap some samples?? lol


111 posted on 09/11/2003 11:26 AM PDT by cajun-jack
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So you're not going to actually ANSWER the question, then.

"So you're actually willing to wait for Your Big Stupid Government to define what you can do with glassware?"

No, rather, I think I've related more than once that BONGS are for doing DRUGS. The government had no say in forming that opinion in my mind.

Yes, writing one more statute to describe the use of certain items of glassware is another government bloat. But codifying the use of a BONG is as absurd as codifying that an nuclear weapon is not a just a really big space heater!

Lobby for the changes you want, I will not stand in your way. But I patently do not have to agree with you. The law may actually change someday, and I'll be okay with that. If our republic makes it so, through the honored methods, that's what it should be.


112 posted on 09/11/2003 11:30 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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Beer, you mean? lol!


113 posted on 09/11/2003 11:32 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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i'll send u some shine if u send me some beer...i still know a few old folks that used to make some really (and i mean really) good stuff...


114 posted on 09/11/2003 11:34 AM PDT by cajun-jack
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There's that whole interstate thing again. Can we do that? Texas-Louisiana? Hmmmm...


115 posted on 09/11/2003 11:40 AM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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It is not that drugs do not hurt anyone. I have had family members die from drug overdoses; I have had friends ruin their lives through drug abuse. The question is "what is the appropriate response of government?" What actions can society take that will result in the least amount of harm, for everyone?

I have studied this issue at great length, and am convinced that while "legalization" of drugs may not be the proper and most efficient course of action, the current policies are having, with out a doubt, the most harmful outcomes.

It is simply philosophy and economics: supply is reduced, demand and price increase. This leads to theft and assault to pay for the artificially expensive drugs. There are no quality controls, and no way to stop children from buying them. There is also no way for peaceful people to use these substances without being lumped together with violent criminals (those who initiate force or fraud).

What we have now, are violent criminal predators; rapists, theives, murderers, getting reduced sentencing for their crimes, because room must be made in prison for drug offenders. We are taxed into submission to pay for this ever-increasing prison-industrial complex. We have confused several generations about crimes, illegalities, rule of law, role of government, choices and consequences. Also, we have fostered a culture which does not respect our laws, because so many laws are laws which should not be respected.

We have corrupted and polluted our nation's core values: limited government, individual liberty, and personal responsibility.

Let us say for arguements sake, that we legalize drugs tomorrow. People think that if we legalize drugs, there will suddenly be a big increase in drug users. Do you use drugs? If so, why not? Probably because you have chosen not to. Do your children use drugs? Probably not, because you have told them that productive people do not need chemicals to feel good, escape, etc. Are you afraid you or your children would suddenly think drugs were harmless? Of course not! If so, I feel terrible for you, that you would need the government to make these decisions for you.

Perhaps you are the kind of person whom gun bans, smoking bans, drug and alcohol prohibition, seat belt and helmet laws, etc, were designed and implimented for.

But plenty of other people can make their own decisions, and understand and respect the role of government in their daily lives.


116 posted on 09/11/2003 11:41 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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You'd have to backtrack the posts to see that this originates with #49, not Tommy Chong.

Do you think we should execute these evildoers to save money? Boy, I don't know if I'd go that far. A drug dealer, maybe.


117 posted on 09/11/2003 11:49 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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how about the guy who owns a liquor store, brewery, or 7-11?


118 posted on 09/11/2003 11:52 AM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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Do you support laws that punish him for what he does?

Did I say that?


119 posted on 09/11/2003 11:53 AM PDT by mountaineer
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ain't nuthin illegal less'n u git caught lol


120 posted on 09/11/2003 11:55 AM PDT by cajun-jack
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Tommy was never funny. He was a hippy impersonating a hippy.


121 posted on 09/11/2003 11:55 AM PDT by Consort
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Thank God that animal is off the streets.

I'll sleep better tonight. < /sarcasm >


122 posted on 09/11/2003 11:56 AM PDT by Labyrinthos
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Tommy was never funny.

You can honestly tell me that you don't find his character on "That 70's Show" to be hilarious?


123 posted on 09/11/2003 11:58 AM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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So you're not going to actually ANSWER the question, then.

Nope. The question is nonsensical and not deserving of a response. It's glassware. I don't give a damn what Big Stupid Government "thinks" about "legal" uses of glassware. That's beyond stupid and is a totalitarian outlook on life.

Go check with John Ashcroft (who cares about things like statue boobs) about what he "thinks" about glassware. Just don't expect me to care a whit about his response.


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Wow, that's a tough one: work, church and family time - or smoking dope? What to do, what to do?

While I don't smoke dope, I can think of more than a few things I'd rather do. Seems to me, this country has bigger dragons to slay than a 65 year old doper. We are doomed!


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Dude, you gotta put the pipe down.

Your post #76 is the wackiest thing I've ever read on one of these WOD threads.



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"how about the guy who owns a liquor store, brewery, or 7-11?"

You mean the risk-takers? Those who employ people? Those who pay taxes? All part of running a legal business?

God love 'em.


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if explaining the difference between an action which is criminal, and an action which is simply "illegal", is the weirdest thing you have seen on a WOD thread, you either need help or have not read too many WOD threads.

Care to tell me what you thought was wacky?


128 posted on 09/11/2003 12:05 PM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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what if you said the same thing in 1920? You would be talking about people marketing an illegal substance.

Do you care about the difference between criminal actions and illegal actions?

Assuming you understand the difference between the two.


129 posted on 09/11/2003 12:06 PM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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He played Leo the boss at the film drop booth.
My favorite on That 70's Show is when they sit
around the table and the camera passes from
person to person around the table in a smoke filled room.

Chong has had a fairly impressive career.
Maybe it is time that he head back to Canada.

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001045/


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Auugggghh!! YOU ARE STILL NOT LISTENING! I am not saying that I will fight pot re-legalization. I am saying that I will not support it, which is different. I am also saying that TChong is admirably fighting the anarchist stereotype that goes with the NORML-type people, via his compliance with the law. He can complain all the way through as well, and so can you, his right is not infringed there.

IF, and I mean IF, pot is re-legalized, I will not weep. But our society has deemed drug abuse (beyond alcohol) to be illegal, through repreresentation. It seems there is a sizable contingent of the the electorate that disagrees, but not a strong enough fraction to make a change.

"Perhaps you are the kind of person whom gun bans, smoking bans, drug and alcohol prohibition, seat belt and helmet laws, etc, were designed and implimented for.

But plenty of other people can make their own decisions, and understand and respect the role of government in their daily lives."

Personal responsibility is something I subscribe to, and yes, some of the things you've listed above ahould be left to the citizens to decide upon. However, I am not going to fight a battle to repeal seat belt laws, for example, because I think using a seatbelt is a good idea, and I think that using them is a small inconvenience compared to being Dead.

I really understand what you're saying, but I guess I just have to pick my battles. Drug re-legalization is not one of those battles.


131 posted on 09/11/2003 12:12 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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Your post #76 is the wackiest thing I've ever read on one of these WOD threads.

Why? Do you associate morality with law?


132 posted on 09/11/2003 12:12 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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Do you support laws that punish him for what he does?

Did I say that?

No---that's why I asked. So do you?


133 posted on 09/11/2003 12:13 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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lol! I'm glad at least somebody isn't taking my comments too seriously!


134 posted on 09/11/2003 12:13 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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I have to notice that the other member of this semi-memorable team has grown up, gone on with his life, and is playing adult characters his own age. It's no longer 1972, folks

There were news stories in July that Cheech and Chong had gotten together to write a new, updated "Cheech & Chong" movie and that Newline Cinema was going to produce it.


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Why? Do you associate morality with law?

What is the basis of law?


136 posted on 09/11/2003 12:18 PM PDT by IncPen
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one of the more interesting threads, that I have not had time to jump on,

But my two cents, Tommy Chong arrested for selling Water Pipes, is a misappropriation of gov't resources
We have borders that are un-controlable, we have real crime occuring daily that the police can't keep up with
and we have DEA agents arresting 65 year old hippies for selling Water Pipes over the internet.
good use of resources.


137 posted on 09/11/2003 12:18 PM PDT by vin-one (I wish i had something clever to put in this tag)
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Care to tell me what you thought was wacky?

No, I'll let my comments stand.

What law school did you go to?


138 posted on 09/11/2003 12:19 PM PDT by IncPen
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Pot has to stay illegal. Legalizing it would make the hippies happy, and I can't stand to see those filthy buggers happy.

However, I must add, Legalize Shemp. (I just think he was underrated)


139 posted on 09/11/2003 12:22 PM PDT by exile (Exile - proudly ticking off the Left since 1992)
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What is the basis of law?

Good point. However, there are laws that have no basis whatsoever in morality. Is it immoral for me to own an illegal "assault weapon"?


140 posted on 09/11/2003 12:23 PM PDT by jmc813 (Check out the FR Big Brother 4 thread! http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/943368/posts)
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"what if you said the same thing in 1920? "

I wouldn't have said the same thing in 1920 -- alcohol was illegal (and there were no 7-11's).

"Do you care about the difference between criminal actions and illegal actions?"

Sorry, I'm not buying into your Libertarian "force or fraud" claptrap. But let me know the next time you're in court explaining to the judge that, "Yes, Your Honor, what I did may have been illegal, but it surely wasn't a crime".

I'd love to be there to see that. I'd pay good money to see that.


141 posted on 09/11/2003 12:23 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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Thank God the goobermint has jailed this obviously dangerous criminal. Chong's in jail, and the obviously righteous Bill Clinton who only sold secrets for cash, sold pardons for cash, lied under oath, criminally abused his office, etc. remains free.

Wow, what perfect priorities our "justice" department has.

DISGUSTING !!


142 posted on 09/11/2003 12:23 PM PDT by jimt
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Do you support laws that punish him for what he does?

Your question is pointless. All criminal laws punish people for what they do.


143 posted on 09/11/2003 12:26 PM PDT by mountaineer
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OK, that's fair. How about this . . . you keep your hands off my bong, and I'll let you think and do whatever you want.


144 posted on 09/11/2003 12:28 PM PDT by jayef
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I am listening. I was waiting for you to say "I understand the difference between "criminal acts" and "illegal acts". It seems you understand this difference, and do not care about the damage done to our Constitution, our communities, our children; everyone is affected, at least through loss of liberty, and their hard earned revenue.

I understand you don't want to make it "your issue". I feel very strongly that abortion is murder, yet it is not "my issue".

I still think you do not understand the full scope of this issue, that our current policies are actually doing far more harm to the situation then they are doing good (they are doing very, very little good and much harm).

If you have a few nights to spare, you will find the following book enlightening: "Judge James P. Gray - Why Our Drug Laws Have Failed, And What We Can Do About It"

Judge Gray, a Republican, currently presides over the civil trial calendar for the Superior Court of Orange County. Although Judge Gray has championed many causes, none has been more bold than his work to combat the illegal drug problem in America. Gray continues to mobilize civic leaders, government officials, corporations, non-profit organizations, the media, and the public around the country to join him in exploring alternate solutions to reduce this chronic problem.



change your tagline; so many feathers have been plucked from the wings of liberty, that the eagle is unrecognizable, and has almost died.


145 posted on 09/11/2003 12:30 PM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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Unless I see you assaulting somebody with it, ya got a deal!

(I can see it now: an "assault-bong" ban!)

You seem to understand what I've been saying.


146 posted on 09/11/2003 12:30 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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as long as my vices harm only myself and other willing participants, why would you care?

I don't care what you do.

Do you support laws that punish him for what he does?

Your question is pointless. All criminal laws punish people for what they do.

Do you support laws that punish him for vices that harm only himself and other willing participants?


147 posted on 09/11/2003 12:32 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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You, sir, are frightening. It is because of people like you that we have gun control, drug and alcohol prohibition, social security, welfare, and most of all, no personal responsibility

And what you refer to happens in courtrooms every day, it is called jury nullification.


148 posted on 09/11/2003 12:33 PM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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what law school did you go to?


149 posted on 09/11/2003 12:33 PM PDT by bc2 (http://www.thinkforyourself.us)
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Why are you pestering me with your loaded questions? I only responded to a post criticizing John Ashcroft for encouraging church, work and family over smoking dope. I have no interest in arguing WOD with you, so leave me alone.


150 posted on 09/11/2003 12:36 PM PDT by mountaineer
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[Democat]

3. Ashcroft is a threat to all Americans

Gun owners should not be stupid enough to believe that he will protect their rights forever.

He's going after the easy targets now, but eventually he'll get around to whatever else gives power to the people.

[sandnsea]

4. Operation Pipe Dream

I think that's the correct name. Doesn't seem like Freepers know this was a huge national effort. Maybe somebody who posts there ought to tell them, it's not just Tommy Chong and one jurisdiction.

What I don't know is whether they used the new terrorism law where the FBI can just google up what they're looking for and start making arrests. They used to have to come across the information as part of a regular investigation. I've tried to find out, never found any reference to it.

[Blue-Jay]

5. Dear Freeper Lurkers:

Some of you have just proved that you're capable of rational thought. Please run with it.

Barring that: bite me, you idiot lock-step blind followers. Run for the hills. Your time is running out.

[PaDUer]

6. url??

eom

[dutchdemocrat]

7. Sorry, here.....

http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/980435/posts

[dutchdemocrat]

8. They seem pretty confused about this one

IMHO

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. The Repukes on my other web dwellings are pissed as well

Now if only we can get them to see that this type of "justice" is the norm, not the exception in the Asscrotch DOJ.

[LiberalBushFan]

10. one really funny thing is...

on the other thread about this on DU someone said:
65-year-old doper in jail while Osama goes free

in what you pasted here someone says:
65-year-old doper in jail while Clinton goes free

They're coming to their senses in a roundabout sort of way i guess