Michigan Militia being called up to fight federal agents?

[arissa]

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ARMED STANDOFF AGAINST FEDS LOOMING IN MICHIGAN

Posted By: rumormillnews@yahoogroups
Date: Friday, 12 September 2003, 1:59 a.m.

From: spiker <[e-mail]>
Date: Thu Sep 11, 2003 5:24 pm
Subject: Fw: Michigan Property Owner Defies GovGoons--Armed Standoff Looming

From: "normolson" <[e-mail]>

PRESS RELEASE -- FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE Contact Norman Olson, Senior Advisor
to Michigan Militia, 231-548-5878, Lyle Barkley 231-582-0039 (home)
231-582-0039 (work) Rick Stanley Constitutional Activist Phone:
303-329-0481 E-mail: [e-mail] website: www.stanley2002.org

Land Owner: "I've had enough. I'm going to fight!"

Charlevoix County Businessman Bulldozing Revetments For Coming Armed Standoff.

Alanson, MI (Sep 11) - Charlevoix County citizen, Lyle Barkley, has been
ordered to remove two manufactured homes from a 4-acre parcel in Bay
Township by September 18. Barkley says he will not comply with the illegal
and unconstitutional order of the court but will defend his property with
arms if necessary. Barkley, 55, owns B&B Excavating in Boyne City. He is
presently bulldozing fortifications around his property in preparation for
the standoff he promises will come if officials attempt to remove the homes
from his land.

His cause has drawn the attention of Rick Stanley, leader of an
organization called Mutual Defense Pact 2d American Revolution Militia who
offers to send more than 600 armed defenders to Barkley's aid once the
standoff has begun. (see Stanley's website: www.stanley2002.org for
information on mutual defense).

Barkley contacted Norm Olson, Senior Advisor to the Michigan Militia for
help up until Stanley's organization arrives. Olson has urged citizens
throughout Michigan to become aware of what is taking place and to speak
out in an attempt to forestall or stop armed conflict. "Lyle Barkley is
unlikely to run. He's preparing to defend. I admire his spirit," Olson said
in a news release today, but added, "This situation stinks of crooked
politics, corruption, and favors. Barkley was given permission. He acted
accorded to the permits, and then, when his homes were on the property, the
permits were withdrawn and the homes 'red-tagged.' Something about this
isn't right."

--SNIP--

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September 12, 2003

Rick Stanley
Constitutional Activist
Phone: [phone]
E-mail: [e-mail]

MEDIA RELEASE

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SPECIAL EDITION:

Subject: Preliminary Militia Alert

Rick Stanley, Constitutional Activist, former U.S. Senate candidate, Enemy of
the State, and self avowed extremist on the order of our forefathers of America,
gives the following media release:

This preliminary Militia Alert for the Mutual Defense Pact 2nd American
Revolution Militia is in regard to the press release, immediately following this
alert. Two of our Pact members in Boyne City, Michigan may come under attack
soon. This is a bonafied constitutional defense issue.

The Pact member is Lyle Barkley. Address is 04906 Camp Daggett Rd. Boyne City,
Michigan 49712. Lyle's email is [e-mail]. Phone is 1-231-582-2515 or
1-231-582-0039. Cell phone for Lyle is 1-231-675-8807.

Directions as follows:

From Boyne City, Michigan - North on Lake Street runs into C56 to Horton Bay 5
miles to Sumnerr, right 1/2 mile to caution stop sign Camp Daggett Rd, right 1/8
mile on left blue pole barn. Potential Militia Alert for September 18, 2003 and
beyond, until called off.

Prepare to leave for the site. All individuals of the Pact begin infrastructure
attacks in the area of Boyne City that have this expertise. All others surround
the property site, outside of the perimeter established by the aggressors, once
the _EMERGENCY ALERT_ has been posted. Pick your targets, find a cover site
with protection, lay down your cover fire to defend our Militia Pact brethren.
Protect yourself. Defend yourself with force of arms. Defend yourself with
force of arms on the way to the alert site. Do not be arrested. Do not accept
searches. Do not go_through_ road blocks, go _around_. Get out and walk the
area till you find your defensive position, with clear fire path to the
aggressors. Obtain high ground position if possible. Bring a cover tarp for
camouflage from the air. Lyle is bulldozing berms around his property for
defense. Do not attempt to go inside the property. Defend against aggressors
only. Do not accept arrest. Do not surrender. Remember, when you have been called
it is because Lyle has been attacked with force of arms and a standoff has occurred.
At this point _after_ the EMERGENCY ALERT has been called, there will be no
negotiation, commence the defense of our pact member with all of the force of
arms you can muster. Remember Waco, Ruby Ridge, Rainbow Farms and Scott
Woodring. These thugs (aggressors) are ruthless. They give no quarter. They will
give you none. Give no quarter.

--SNIP--

http://www.stanley2002.org/releases/release091203.htm

[Catch22Dem]

1. Why do they want him to move

his manufactured homes from that land?

[janx]

2. Exactly what I was going to ask. Something's missing here.

.

[Wonk]

3. Zoning violations. J/PS forum thread link with more info here.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=118&topic_id=9332

[alexwcovington]

9. B------t... It's farmland!

You don't regulate zoning on farmland! Who's running that county?

[Wonk]

40. And zoned as such, not as a trailer park, afaik. nt

[ShaneGR]

4. Sweet!

Maybe the ATF can shoot him to death and all the NRA people will say it was Clinton's fault.

Hmmm, I guess that won't work this time around.

[Mountainman]

5. So why does the federal Government want him to remove the homes?

Maybe he is in violation of some law. I just put up a manufactured home and it took a year to get all the work done and all the permits signed off etc. Could it be this guy just doesn't want to abide by the laws he has involved himself with?


I think most of the time these kinds of things happen it is some person who disagrees with an ordinance or other and refuses to comply. Then it is the government who is oppressing him.

[DoNotRefill]

33. the article in J/PS....

states that he got the permit, and then it was revoked. It sounds like he pissed somebody in the municipality off, and they're fucking with him.

If the area is truly zoned agricultural, then it does sound like they're deliberately fucking with him, since agriculturally zoned areas normally have extremely lenient zoning codes.

[Wonk]

34. He got a permit for one zoning variance, but did something else instead.nt

[DoNotRefill]

35. You don't get a "permit" for a variance....

I've been dealing with zoning issues both professionally and personally for over 10 years. I've gone through the variance process several times, and it ALWAYS involves giving notice to neighbors and an administrative hearing, where everybody can have their say. This didn't happen here. His building permit was apparently for adding additions onto his residence. To him, this must have meant connecting other mobile homes to his existing mobile home, increasing his living and storage space.

I've currently got an outstanding building permit for my home. It's a "blanket" permit that covers anything I want to do, be it adding additions, remodeling, or putting up other free-standing structures. It's used as a revenue-generating measure by the town. It required practically nothing to get, I just went in and said I needed a building permit, gave them money, and it was issued. They didn't require me to submit plans or anything like that, as there are almost no restrictions on my land (more than on his, though, I'm zoned multi-family residential, he's apparently zoned agricultural). If they decided to revoke my permit, I'd be well and truly screwed, as I wouldn't legally be able to complete anything. They'd never do that to me because I'm friends with the Zoning folks, and am bringing in money to the community that they don't want to lose. It sounds like this guy doesn't have friends on the zoning board, and irritated them somehow, so they're using their office to screw with him in an attempt to either imprison him or drive him out of town. That's just plain wrong.

[Wonk]

36. I'm not familiar with Michigan's zoning peculiarities, but see post # 26

and re-read your own post too. Despite your hostile attitude you seem to mostly agree with me :shrug:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=328561&mesg_id=329644&page=

[DoNotRefill]

37. "hostile attitude"???

:wtf:

[Wonk]

39. Towards Charlevoix County district court.

Assuming the guy is innocent and they're guilty.

From the way I read it he knew in advance he wanted to do something that violated local zoning ordinances or he wouldn't have applied for any change in the first place, got A, did B, had almost a year to fix B, and still didn't :shrug:

[DoNotRefill]

41. I generally don't trust municipal governments regarding zoning....

because I've had them try some really bogus BS with me in the past. I'm a naturally combative person by nature, fought them tooth and nail, and made them do what they were required to do over their vehement objections. Needless to say, the people on that zoning board hated me, and seemed like they would have done anything to "get me". This was the source of a fair bit of litigation which they lost. Not surprisingly, I found myself unjustly hassled (some would say that it was attempted intimidation) by the local cops while this was going on until I had a suit drafted against them and gave it to the Chief, who submitted it to the town attorney, who informed them that they'd probably lose if I filed and took it to court.

When I moved to where I am now, I made sure to cultivate connections within the Zoning department (and among the cops and local judiciary, too) prior to doing anything. This made it much easier to get them to do what they were supposed to do.

I've been where it appears (to me at least) this guy is...faced with stupidity and persecution caused by an inbred local government. I fought it in court and eventually won, although it cost me a fair bit of time, energy, headaches, and money. From what the article in J/PS says, I doubt this guy has the intellegence or assets to pursue the route I took. While I don't condone violence, I can understand why he may think it's the only solution available to him. I just hope nobody gets hurt...

[DavidMS]

49. To me

it looks like someone forgot to dot the I's and cross the T's on the zoning-related forms and filings. Probably should have had a lawyer. Its a shame that laws are very complicated, for things like zoning residential property, it needs to be written out simply enough so tha the average high school graduate can follow them. Of cource commerical and industrial property zoning laws propbably should need several lawyers and earth science degree holders to interpertate properly because its more complicated.

This guy nees a lawyer, not a few hundred fat, lazy, middle aged loosers with guns.

[5thGenDemocrat]

50. This isn't "municipal" in any familiar sense

I lived about ten miles from where this is going on for four years. Camp Daggett Road is in the middle of nowhere, between Petoskey and Charlevoix. There's a Boy Scout camp out there, for Pete's sake.
The local sheriffs (Emmet and Charlevoix counties) and governments are small-minded, parochial way-Republican jerks. I'd have to actually see the site where these trailers are located to see whether they are an eyesore or a health hazard, etc, but I'll still guess that there's a lot more to this (behind the scenes) than is being reported in the press.
I wouldn't be surprised if this guy is being harrassed. God knows it wouldn't be the first time personal matters have become a matter of law in that part of Michigan.
John
Lived in Petoskey, 1977-81

[Emboldened Chimp]

6. That's just great

Giving cause to another McVeigh. Just great.

[jody]

7. Your use of the term "Michigan Militia" could mislead. Michigan like

other states has an "unorganized militia" aka as the "Michigan defense force" and it should not be confused with the fringe group involved in your post.

QUOTE
PART 6. MICHIGAN DEFENSE FORCE

R 32.61 Michigan defense force.
Rule 61. If the president calls or orders all or part of the national guard into federal service in time of a national emergency, or if it appears that the national guard may be called into federal service, the governor, as commander-in-chief, may organize within the state military establishment such number of army and air force units as he deems necessary for the adequate protection of the state. These units, known as the Michigan defense force, shall protect the state in case of insurrection, invasion, disaster, or other emergency, actual or imminent. The Michigan defense force shall be governed by rules and regulations similar to those governing the national guard.
UNQUOTE

[MnFats]

8. precisely the same situation arose in Wisconsin...

...when I lived there 20 years ago. It was the Posse Comitatus then; I'll bet some of them are involved in the Michigan Militia now.
They declared themselves accountable to no one above the level of "county sheriff." Then they declared the sheriff guilty of malfeasance (carrying out orders of the illegal courts etc. You know the crap) and named their own "sheriff" who declared himself poo-bah of law enforcement in Marathon County....the "deposed" sheriff was ordered to remove a couple of trashy mobile homes due to zoning law violations and sure as hell, within a couple of hours there were something like 150 to 200 armed guys lining the property spouting bullshit about how they were ready to die for the new revolution.

the 'deposed' sheriff, in a refreshing bit of sanity, declared he was not going to get any of his officers killed over zoning laws. The deputies, cops, DNR officers etc. backed off. After a day or so, the gun-nuts had all gone home. The sheriff went out there about 3 a.m., served the order and hauled the offending mobile homes away before the other nuts could be rowsed, and when they got there all they could do was sputter and bitch. tough hop, huh?

hope michigan law enforcement takes a lesson...

[BiggJawn]

26. And I know of at least one member who's "Christian Identity"...

Member of the Posse Comitatus. Said the EXACT same thing about the authority of the Sheriff. could recite the "Northwest Ordinance of 17-whatever" from memory, the whole works...

I don't know about Michcigan, but in Indiana, you'r allowed ONE trailer on 4 acres. More than one trailer, and you have a "Mobile Home Park" and all manners of zoning, health, and sewage regs come into play.
Doesn't matter if you're in a rural area or not. In fact, Zoning laws cover almost every inch of the country. You're in farm country? the land-use zoning is "Agricultural".

[DoNotRefill]

38. That's odd...

Most states that I'm familiar with bases "mobile home park" status not just on the number of trailers there, but also on the occupancy of those trailers by people not in that family. Otherwise, mobile home dealers would have to comply with the trailer park regs.

Also, generally "agricultural" zoning generally means "anything goes", which is why you can sometimes find open sewage ponds there, along with pig farms.

[BiggJawn]

48. Agricultural does not mean "anything goes"

It may mean "anything goes in the production of agri-products", but I can't take 30 acres that's zoned AG and build an iron smelter or a gravel pit there. I can pack 10,000 pigs on 10 acres and have another 10 acres for a manure pit, but I'm producing "food" so that's OK, but It's NOT "Anything Goes".I see that the "Ruby Ridge" crowd aren't the only folks making that mistake...

Stop and think a minute about your thought about the trailer dealer. Does a guy who sells mattresses have to be zoned as a hotel? No. But why not? he has 300 beds?
Because he doesn't have people sleeping in those beds. Same thing with the trailer dealer. He doesn't have people living in his trailers.
And he's zoned Commercial Use, not Resdiental, not Agriculture, not Special Use.

Trailer Parks are regulated stringently because of their past. Buy 30 acres, bulldoze a path through it, run some flakey wiring and leaky plumbing and Voila! a "Mobile Home Community"....
When I lived in trailers, I had Board of Health inspectors snooping around more than I ever did when I owned a crib that didn't have "wheels in the basement"...Just a fact of life, I guess.

[Gman]

10. These people VOTE REPUBLICAN

they are the worst of the right wing.

[JasonBerry]

32. So - Nothing That Happens To Them Matters! ( ??? ) N/T

~

[alexwcovington]

11. Cornballs

It's a dumb thing to fight over.

[Clete]

12. So are they looking for another Ruby Ridge?

Because that's what seems to be brewing there.

[slackmaster]

13. More likely another Waco

Let's see if John Ashcroft has the gonads that Janet Reno had.

:shrug:

[janekat]

14. Found a couple of articles....

BAY TOWNSHIP, Mich. (AP) -- A Michigan property owner is promising an armed confrontation with anyone who attempts to enforce a judge's order to remove three manufactured homes from his land.

"We're going to have a standoff," Lyle Barkley, 55, told the Traverse City Record-Eagle for a story Friday. "I'm not going to let them come in here and take this stuff. Over my dead body."

Each of the Barkleys faces 26 days in jail if the fine is not paid, also by Thursday.

"I won't pay it," Lyle Barkley said. "If I pay it, it's the same as saying I'm guilty."

[Wonk]

16. Let me guess.... you found that in post #3?

You copy-pasted the entire text of the article, too, which is frowned upon by DU admin. You might want to edit that so it doesn't get zapped.

[janekat]

23. No - found it on a google news search...

... thanks for the tip.

[janekat]

17. Here's another one

http://www.sierratimes.com/03/09/12/article_mi_standoff.htm

Alanson, MI - "I've had enough. I'm going to fight!" Charlevoix County Businessman, Lyle Barkley, has been ordered to remove two manufactured homes from a 4-acre parcel in Bay Township by September 18.

His cause has drawn the attention of Rick Stanley, leader of an organization called Mutual Defense Pact 2d American Revolution Militia who offers to send more than 600 armed defenders to Barkley's aid once the standoff has begun.

Barkley contacted Norm Olson, a well-know Michigan Militia figure for help up until Stanley's organization arrives. Olson has urged citizens throughout Michigan to become aware of what is taking place and to speak out in an attempt to forestall or stop armed conflict.

[elfin]

15. Norm Olson is nutso

He lives (lived?) not too far from my home in Michigan - I had heard he moved to Florida.

Even the Michigan Militia deposed him from leader some time back - I see here he lists himself as "advisor"

A few years ago he spread the rumor that the national guard was giving aid to the Russian commies during their training sessions in Northern Michigan.

Wouldn't be surprised to find that the property in question is a junk heap piled with rusted out cars smack dab in the middle of property legally zoned for other uses.

He used to have a "church" in the woods for tax purposes - probably they prayed then locked and loaded for Sunday shooting sessions in the wilds.

They (his chapter of the militia) were very active with alot of press, but have been quiet lately. Looks like he's hungry for some limelight again. Stupid stupid stupid.

[janekat]

19. Check out this website... "The Million Gun March"

http://www.stanley2002.org/

[janekat]

20. Senior Advisor to the Michigan Militia .... LOL!!!! n/t

[slackmaster]

18. They're not the actual militia of the state of Michigan

Just a bunch of mostly overweight, mostly white, middle-aged guys who like to dress in camouflage and crawl around in the woods clutching their cheesy SKS rifles when the weather is not too bad.

[theophilus]

21. Watch these incidents and think "John Titor".

Recently on the DU there was a thread about Time Traveller John Titor. Take a look at the
thread and Google John Titor. If these sorts of standoffs increase in intensity we might all think
about becoming very afraid.

Titor said that a Civil War would errupt slowly in this country between about 2004 and 2008 and
be fulminated by events such as this. Very interesting. It is too early to see a definite trend but
I thought this post was interesting following so closely on the heels of the Titor info. I was unfamiliar
with Titor before the DU post, by the way.

This place is such a goldmine of information!!!!!!!!

[Occulus]

29. I take Titor with

a shaker of salt.

Still... it does make ya wonder at 2 in the morning, doesn't it?

[whathappened]

22. dam this doe's piss ya off

in a way , we buy the land and pay the taxes and then have no rights to put what we want ordo what we want with the land they say we own , i'm not in favor of junk going in for homes , but dam sometimes in a bad econemy we have to live in tents if need be , sounds like he is providing a home for his daughter and grandchildren , we don't no all the details , i to was forced to live in a bus at my daughters home for 2 and a half years well uncle sam was deciding if i could drow disabilty , i had no place to go and no money , other then what little my wife was bringing home , the township got wind of me being there and red flaged me and gave me 30 days to move , i pleaded with them to just let me stay until i resolved my ss claim , they would'nt , so thanks to freinds they helped me move into a home , sorry this was so long , but wanted to show ya what kind of things can happen when hard times are here

[Wonk]

24. So, what you're saying is you're in favor of abolishing all zoning laws?nt

:shrug:

[sandnsea]

28. A little freedom

That's what he's saying to an extent. You buy a piece of property and you ought to have some control on what you do with it. I still don't understand exactly what they were doing wrong except having mobile homes on a piece of property that the city or county didn't approve. BFD. 3 mobile homes on 4 acres isn't a big deal. If the septic and everything was correct, people should be allowed to live as they please. Just because stuck-up-the-butt down the street doesn't like the looks of things is no reason to throw people out of their homes. It's tough making ends meet.

[Mari333]

25. They are wayyyyy to near where I live

http://www.michiganmilitia.com/

[Clete]

27. Why are these people called militia?

Is it because they are white? In So. California they would be known as Crips and Bloods. Who are they kidding? They are no different from gang bangers as far as I can see.

[Occulus]

30. As a militia,

I think they're supposed to have some kind of written code. I think.

What I would like to see happen is for all the various state militias to be given legitimacy, and by that I mean proper training by former/current military personnel, gun safety training, etc.

These organizations, along with the very existence of the second amendment, are our nation's final line of defense in the event of an invasion.

[Clete]

31. The legitimacy part is what I have an issue with.

Other than that they are another borderline club or gang with weapons. Also, if they got this legitimacy wouldn't that mean that they would have to have other than white people among their ranks? I doubt if these guys would go for it because part of their code is protecting their whiteness. Sorry, but to me they are another group of gang bangers.

[whirlygigspin]

43. how fun

another chance for the pentagon to test out new weapons and
toast more citizens, like they did in Waco.

I wonder if Gen.Clark will attend this one too.

[fla nocount]

47. They're neighbors of sorts, common interests, common goals

common problems/restrictions and common enemies. I don't know that the race card applies here. It's a person with a weapon and an agenda, that's all you need to know.

Dick Cheney has his bunker ready.....perhaps he knows something.

[teryang]

42. Somethings not right?

Now there's a call to arms. I'd hope to have a better explanation than that.

Ever heard of an injunction. File a petition. Get a temporary stay of the order. Litigate for a permanent injunction. If you lose. Appeal. Get a stay. Seek a reversal. Etc. Etc. Surely, this costs less than killing people.

[Mairead]

44. Sure sounds like a lot of elitism being expressed here

As a couple of posters pointed out, 3 mobile homes on 4 acres is not exactly excessive, and if they're all for the use of people related in some way, where's the problem?


'Zoning violations' are often the result of some official not getting his palm crossed with enough silver when he holds it out in a friendly way. Where I used to live here in Massachusetts, there was a locally (in)famous case of a family being harrassed to distraction by various town officials. It was ugly, but very subtle and deniable, and there was a feeling floating around that someone might get killed some day over it.

[Muddleoftheroad]

45. Exceptions

There are lots of zoning exceptions that can help you get things done. This owner just sounds like he is unwilling to actually do things the legal way.

[MrBenchley]

46. Sounds more like common sense

"'Zoning violations' are often the result of some official not getting his palm crossed with enough silver"
And just as often they're the result of some ignorant asswipe not knowing dick or caring about plumbing codes, electrical codes, building codes, etc.

Good thing the RKBA crowd is ready to start shooting, eh?

[LoZoccolo]

51. I was in college in Ann Arbor...

...and I remember back in like 1994-1995 there seemed to be a lot of this militia sentiment going around, conspiracy theories about the federal government and what not. Like once I saw a story on CNN about the "Michigan Militia" surrounding a UN flag that they were flying in front of a government building for a one-day thing or something and chanting at them to take it down (which they actually did). So some time later when the Oklahoma City federal building was bombed I remember thinking at first that it was someone from that type of movement.