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CoffeePlease1947 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 11:31 PM
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Clark is not a Career politician or a lawyer--Is this a bad thing?
I think it is great. I think people are sick of career politicians and lawyers. You know how many politician and lawyer jokes there are? There is a reason why, nobody likes them.

What is even better is the is it is Republicans that love military men. They would look pretty stupid talking about how great all our troops are and then trying to knock one down. If Clark choose another war veteran for the ticket their slogan could be: "Support our troops!" And would that not piss off the Republicans to no end!?!

Mike
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 11:33 PM
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1. I Think It's Great, Too
As do most Americans, I'd wager.

DTH
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 11:34 PM
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2. Talk about a tied old line...career politicians ...
Edited on Fri Sep-12-03 11:38 PM by Oracle
He should not be let in the door...devide and conquer.
I love Generals...they won't increase military spending...

Get real!

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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 11:35 PM
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4. Who "Lets" Anyone in the Door?
:eyes:

As for "devide <sic> and conquer" that sounds more apropos to your strategy.

DTH
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 11:35 PM
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3. In California, the right wing mantra is...
"He's great because he's not a career politician."

We need to apply their own words to Clark for them.

Bush is a career politician, Clark is not.
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CoffeePlease1947 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 11:41 PM
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5. Exactly n/t
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roughsatori Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 11:51 PM
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8. Is the whole Draft Clark movement about acting like Republicans to win?
Edited on Fri Sep-12-03 11:54 PM by roughsatori
Why not just register as a Republican and be the real thing, instead of imitating them as you are suggesting? I think it a losing strategy.

Edited to add: Notice I said the "Draft Clark" movement--I did not say Wesley Clark.
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CoffeePlease1947 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 11:57 PM
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9. Good Idea, why don't you go do that if you cannot understand the differenc
between republicans claim's of supporting our troops and actually doing it. The point is that it shows the contradiction of the Republicans between their actions and their words. Kind of like when Dean takes the Republican slogan of "Take back America".

Mike
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 12:01 AM
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11. Actually
Edited on Sat Sep-13-03 12:03 AM by w4rma
Folks have been posting on DU that instead of going 3rd party they should "Take back the Democratic Party". "Take back America" is similar to that rallying call.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 11:46 PM
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6. Bad for Shrub.
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 11:51 PM
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7. As soon as he enters the race, he's a politician.
Edited on Fri Sep-12-03 11:58 PM by w4rma
politician
noun
1 a person actively engaged in politics, esp. a full-time professional member of a deliberative assembly
2 a person who is experienced or skilled in the art or science of politics, government, or administration; statesman

http://www.wordreference.com/english/definition.asp?en=politician

Note, I like Gen. Clark. I'd like to see him change his prefix to Vice President in 2005. But, someone running for office is a politician. And someone who wins office is a career politician. There are many other good things to say about this brave man.
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CoffeePlease1947 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-12-03 11:59 PM
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10. We are all politicans. But not career polticians. Understand the Dif?
A career politican is one that spends their entire working lives in politics as a professional. Every one in the world is a politician. But that does not mean they spend 25 years getting paid to do so like the other candidates.

Mike
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 12:05 AM
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12. I invite you to read the Collins English Dictionary definition again
Edited on Sat Sep-13-03 12:09 AM by w4rma
Although I do understand what you are saying. I don't consider myself a politician, although I'd consider myself a political activist. I'm not running for office. I'm not employed by a campaign, atm.

But, anyway. I'm getting into parsing words. Maybe that's a good soundbite for Clark. But, It lacks that synergy, IMHO, that would help Democratic politicians ride someone's (who uses that soundbite) coattails into office.
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CoffeePlease1947 Donating Member (621 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 12:21 AM
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13. I am well aware of the definition of what a politician is
It fits the other nine candidates much better than Clark. I think anyone that thinks can understand the difference between the professional politician and the regular joe or jane on the street.

If you think taking the sound bit of the Republicans is bad idea you should talk to Dean about his sound bites, such as "Take Back America". Reagan and Bush Senior were using that one.

Mike
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 06:23 AM
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14. As long as he doesn't start a debate with the following line:
"Who am I and what am I doing here?"

He should do just fine.
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Pepperbelly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 08:24 AM
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15. People misunderstand this a lot ...
The point is not to label anyone as a career politician as though that is a bad thing because by itself, it is not. What is relevant, IMO, is that Wesley offers a problem-solving paradigm not constricted by a lifetime of "positions" or by a hard-edged ideology. Rather than going to ideology for answers, perhaps the best method is to actually examine the problem and arrive at solutions that will serve the most people in the best fashion.

Ideology rarely hands out good solutions. If ideology actually possessed solutions that worked, one ideology or another would have won the intellectual contest specifically because it worked. None have and ideology is still a matter of opinion.

Think outside of ideology for solutions.
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dsc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-13-03 08:46 AM
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16. Yes it is bad
I wouldn't go to an amature doctor, amature professor, amature mechanic, or amature lawyer for that matter. This job is brain surgery and we need to elect someone who knows what he is doing and that we know what he is doing. Clark also has had zero vetting by the press corps. Remember Perot and his paranoid behavior. It was OK as the Howard Hughes of Texas but not so great for the guy running to have his hands on the nukes.
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