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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 12:20 PM Original message |
If Arianna and Camejo really believed in Democracy |
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Room101 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 12:25 PM Response to Original message |
1. I have heard them both publicly say the recall is not right |
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Procopius (147 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 12:26 PM Response to Reply #1 |
2. YES! n/t |
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pasadenaboy (877 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 12:27 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. really? |
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Room101 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 12:36 PM Response to Reply #3 |
5. They said |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 03:11 PM Response to Reply #1 |
8. right arianna's big 3% |
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Room101 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 05:38 PM Response to Reply #8 |
12. mitchtv - you are now on my ignore list |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 09:46 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. my first time , I believe |
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VOX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:12 PM Response to Reply #1 |
111. Neither Arianna nor Camejo mention one word about the recall... |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
4. I will not tell them they can't draw support |
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Paragon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 01:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. Curious that you capitalized Democracy |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 03:08 PM Response to Reply #6 |
7. davis must get 50% they can win with 20% |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 03:17 PM Response to Original message |
9. Yes, anyone who is party to this, |
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Room101 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 05:41 PM Response to Reply #9 |
14. Clete - can you be more specific on who is an opportunist? |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 05:50 PM Response to Reply #14 |
16. It's all of them really, |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 05:35 PM Response to Original message |
10. ABSO-FUCKING-LUTELY!!! |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 05:37 PM Response to Original message |
11. Arianna asks what's going to save California. I say CA should marry some |
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Room101 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 05:39 PM Response to Reply #11 |
13. AP - you are now on my ignore list |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 06:00 PM Response to Reply #13 |
17. Your loss. |
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ShaneGR (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 05:45 PM Response to Reply #11 |
15. LOL!!!!! |
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Tinoire (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 06:02 PM Response to Original message |
18. I hate to break this to DUers |
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Clete (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 06:03 PM Response to Reply #18 |
19. As long as they do the NO first. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 06:04 PM Response to Reply #18 |
20. I saw an A.H. thing with a liberal student crowd, and when she criticized |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Sep-13-03 09:50 PM Response to Reply #20 |
22. REALLY?! |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:54 AM Response to Reply #22 |
23. It was a crowd full of college students, who tend not think |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 05:44 AM Response to Reply #23 |
77. OK, you just repeated what you said above |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:07 PM Response to Reply #77 |
82. Read below. |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:41 PM Response to Reply #82 |
98. I read through the thread |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:54 PM Response to Reply #98 |
104. Yes there is. Keep reading. |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:07 PM Response to Reply #104 |
110. nope |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 02:14 AM Response to Original message |
24. Check your facts before posting next time. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 02:37 AM Response to Reply #24 |
25. Huffington isn't saying 'no on recall' |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 02:42 AM Response to Reply #25 |
26. it's so easy to look this stuff up.... |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 03:18 AM Response to Reply #26 |
29. opportunistic whores? |
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Dookus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 03:23 AM Response to Reply #29 |
31. Well.... |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 03:50 AM Response to Reply #31 |
33. Judging from the Debates she is the most qualified of them all |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 03:54 AM Response to Reply #33 |
35. I think she's half OK and half totally full of shit. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 03:59 AM Response to Reply #35 |
36. Well you are a "third way" person |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:06 AM Response to Reply #36 |
38. I have no idea what you're talking about. Huffington spent |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:11 AM Response to Reply #38 |
41. This isn't undemocratic. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:14 AM Response to Reply #41 |
42. She doesn't say anything about Energy companies buying off Republicans |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:18 AM Response to Reply #42 |
45. She doesn't criticize the media or energy companies |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:22 AM Response to Reply #45 |
48. I saw her in person last week, and she was very weak on the anti-Republica |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:24 AM Response to Reply #48 |
50. here is what she said about Enron just recently |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:29 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. I think I characterized accurately how she's stumping now. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:34 AM Response to Reply #53 |
54. Her ex husband |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:36 AM Response to Reply #54 |
57. Better than Enron running the state. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:39 AM Response to Reply #57 |
59. Nobody ever argued Enron should run the state, including Arianna |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:40 AM Response to Reply #59 |
60. That's not a sentence. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:43 AM Response to Reply #60 |
61. You don't make any sense. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:51 AM Response to Reply #61 |
65. Even in its edited form,... |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:58 AM Response to Reply #65 |
69. You are an authority on conflicting logic |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:46 AM Response to Reply #60 |
62. However, I'll answer an earlier question. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:51 AM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Citation? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:52 AM Response to Reply #64 |
66. I'm not asking you to believe anything an anonymous internet poster writes |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:55 AM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Right! |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:57 AM Response to Reply #67 |
68. And I enjoy the pleasure of knowing you're full of it. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:59 AM Response to Reply #68 |
70. Provide citation please |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 05:03 AM Response to Reply #70 |
71. Which of her stump speeches have YOU heard. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 05:06 AM Response to Reply #71 |
73. I don't have to provide the citation I didn't make the claim |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 05:08 AM Response to Reply #73 |
74. Where are the transcripts of all her stump speeches and we can |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 05:14 AM Response to Reply #74 |
75. You made the claim. You find the transcipt that says |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:06 PM Response to Reply #75 |
81. AFAIK, no transcripts of her stump speech. |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:22 PM Response to Reply #81 |
87. OHHHHHHHH I see......YOUR logic isn't served |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:30 PM Response to Reply #81 |
92. She mentioned the Casinos |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:32 PM Response to Reply #92 |
93. The issue is what AH didn't mention. I don't think I was alone when |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:37 PM Response to Reply #93 |
96. Well I think what you didn't mention shows you are trying to misrepresent` |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:46 PM Response to Reply #96 |
99. Pistols at sunrise for defaming my honor. Actually, I think the casual |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:52 PM Response to Reply #99 |
102. Until you finally admitted she was talking about Casinos |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:56 PM Response to Reply #102 |
105. Yes. When you having nothing left, keep arguing about a tiny tiny thing |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:02 PM Response to Reply #105 |
107. You engaged in intentional misrepresentation |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 05:47 AM Response to Reply #35 |
79. oh good...no substance to your claims |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:09 PM Response to Reply #79 |
83. I'm not asking you to incorporate my emotions into your thinking |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:24 PM Response to Reply #83 |
89. how you FELT |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:33 PM Response to Reply #89 |
94. Ask me a simple question and I'll answer it. |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:17 PM Response to Reply #94 |
112. What did Arianna say on her "stump" that was contradicting itself? |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 05:47 AM Response to Reply #31 |
78. Bustamante is NOT "No on Recall" |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:11 PM Response to Reply #78 |
84. Bustamante's message is "I'm giving Democrats TWO chances to win this" |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:26 PM Response to Reply #84 |
90. He is YES on the Recall |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:40 PM Response to Reply #90 |
97. Terwilliger. This is baffling. Just because you don't get the logic of |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:30 PM Response to Reply #90 |
115. not true |
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VOX (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:25 PM Response to Reply #78 |
114. A Bustamonte vote is "insurance." First, vote NO on the recall... |
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noiretextatique (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:43 PM Response to Reply #31 |
119. i am a native californian, i live in oakland |
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Red Eye (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 03:19 AM Response to Reply #25 |
30. Officially, she's neutral on the recall |
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Red Eye (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 03:12 AM Response to Original message |
27. No, not at all |
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Red Eye (12 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 03:12 AM Response to Reply #27 |
28. No, not at all |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 03:46 AM Response to Original message |
32. The recall is in their constitution |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 03:52 AM Response to Reply #32 |
34. It is undemocratic when Davis could get 49.999999 percent of no vote |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:04 AM Response to Reply #34 |
37. Then Clinton wasn't elected democratically |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:08 AM Response to Reply #37 |
39. In head to head matchups, Clinton was the Condorcet winner |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:11 AM Response to Reply #37 |
40. I've never understood that when you said it |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:15 AM Response to Reply #40 |
43. What is undemocratic about the recall? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:19 AM Response to Reply #43 |
46. No, I said Davis could be supported by 49 percent |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:28 AM Response to Reply #46 |
51. He can't lose to someone with 12% unless he gets 11% |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:37 AM Response to Reply #51 |
58. Davis ISN"T ON THE SECOND PART OF THE BALLOT |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:47 AM Response to Reply #58 |
63. He is losing against all comers. yes |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 05:04 AM Response to Reply #63 |
72. You didn't know he wasn't on the second part of the ballot until now |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 05:17 AM Response to Reply #72 |
76. Obviously you didn't either or you wouldn't have claimed |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:14 PM Response to Reply #76 |
85. C_L, you have just discredited your entire argument in dramatic fashion |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:27 PM Response to Reply #85 |
91. Whatever. |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:48 PM Response to Reply #91 |
100. Deleted message |
mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:43 PM Response to Reply #51 |
120. example: CL doesn't know what they are talking about |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:24 PM Response to Reply #43 |
88. SO what and you answered my question with a questio but since you |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:41 PM Response to Reply #43 |
118. if you think arnold is not more conservative than Davis |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:16 AM Response to Reply #40 |
44. I can understand a Stalinist getting excited by the Recall, but a Democrat |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:20 AM Response to Reply #44 |
47. Can't take the heat so you call names |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:23 AM Response to Reply #47 |
49. No. I'm taking heat. I'm giving heat. AND I'm calling names. |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:29 AM Response to Reply #49 |
52. I think you should look in the mirror on that accusation |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:34 AM Response to Reply #52 |
55. Personal pronoun "I" -- I was looking in the figurative mirror and I was |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 04:35 AM Response to Reply #52 |
56. Personal pronoun "I" -- I was looking in the figurative mirror and I was |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 05:58 AM Response to Reply #56 |
80. AP |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:18 PM Response to Reply #80 |
86. I'm arguing against people who have no idea what they're talking about |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:35 PM Response to Reply #86 |
95. No you are misrepresenting peoples positions |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:52 PM Response to Reply #95 |
101. I think it's worse not to have any idea that Davis isn't on part 2 of the |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:54 PM Response to Reply #101 |
103. If he wasn't on the ballot how could he lose to someone who was? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 12:59 PM Response to Reply #103 |
106. Please keep repeating this, because it's really helping me win this thing |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:04 PM Response to Reply #106 |
108. NO she is running because she could win just as easily as the republican |
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mitchtv (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:52 PM Response to Reply #101 |
122. bwa hahahahahahahah |
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Classical_Liberal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:57 PM Response to Reply #122 |
123. Aparently you are not aware Davis is not on the ballot |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:05 PM Response to Reply #86 |
109. You keep claiming that Arianna doesnt know what she's talking about |
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Enraged American (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:17 PM Response to Original message |
113. Just a quick question. |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:30 PM Response to Reply #113 |
116. that is correct |
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Enraged American (276 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:32 PM Response to Reply #116 |
117. Yes there sure is. |
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Terwilliger (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Sep-14-03 01:48 PM Response to Reply #117 |
121. well, that and $1.50 gets you a cup of coffee |
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