to RIAA: How you like me NOW?!?!?

[Born_a_Democrat]

New PRIVATE and HEAVILY ENCRYPTED networks of 20-30 file sharers are popping up to fill the void by the "public" file sharing failures...

http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/internet/07/29/private.fileshare/



Want the software?

http://www.nik.com.au/waste/


Just remember, you have to know someone on the network to get in...and just FYI I'm not on any of these nor do I know anyone on them...but I do all my "business" on IRC

[Brian Sweat]

1. While I agree that pirating music is wrong and illegal

it is also unstoppable. The recording industry needs to stop throwing a temper tantrum and work on finding another business model.

[fsbooks]

2. File sharing fills music void

The Music industry of the day sued the Player Piano manufacturers. Later, radio was sued. Attempts were made to prevent consumer availability of tape recorders, and of cd-burners. This is just the latest luddite attempt to slow the inevitable societal evolution prompted by changing technology.

Just a couple more points. We used to discover new music from radio, this is becoming more and more difficult as the media is more centrally controlled. Many programs are produced not in the local radio stations but are distributed from corporate headquarters. We can watch (those with cable/direct TV) our choice of perhaps hundreds of TV programs. We can walk (drive?) to the video store and have our choice of thousands of movies. Peer-2-Peer sharing of music is the moral equivalent of these and is the replacement - the cultural solution - to corporate control of media.

Then I wonder how much of the so-called decline of CD sales is a result of file-sharing, and how much might be a result of people buying, not the big name-brand stars but rather CD's from local/regional musicians who produce and sell their own music. For example, I read that beer sales were down nationally, that is, until one incorporated in the statistics sales from small micro-breweries to whom allegiance has been shifting.

Now I am not against copyright (though I am against 90-year copyrights). The specifics of copyright law however are written by Congress. It is time for congress to step in and force a equitable solution that allows p2p sharing while preserving ownership rights. Like they did to allow us to hear "free" music on the radio.

[sexybomber]

8. So wait...

I haven't bought a new CD in almost two years. Literally all the music I buy is used CDs from the locally-owned Mom and Pop record store. Does that count towards the RIAA's numbers?

[Uzybone]

10. Buying used Cds

doesnt count towards the RIAA. They cant get royalties on a CD after its already been sold.

[sexybomber]

11. ah HA!

Wonderful! I get better music there anyway :D

[AndyTiedye]

17. I Buy at least 100 CDs a year.

but they're all on small, obscure labels owned by the artists themselves, most of which have nothing to do with the RIAA.

I'm not actually boycotting the RIAA,
the RIAA has been (mostly) boycotting the music I love.
Their corporate masters regard dance culture as threat to their business model.
Too many of us out dancing all night instead of sitting at home in front of the TV.

Their sales are down because they know what we want and refuse to sell it to us.

[democracyindanger]

19. But pirating hurts used CD stores too

Owner of the best used CD place here in SF, Amoeba, said that his sales have been hurt as much, if not more, as new retailers.

[FDR2004]

21. RIAA Boycott could help used CD stores

If it ever gains momentum and spotlights used CDs as a desirable choice.

I, for one, am buying more used CDs because of this situation....even earlier this year I bought three new CDs from major retailers. Not anymore.

FDR2004

[Blue_Chill]

3. RIAA can kiss my ass

I know it's illegal but when the music industry is fresh from losing a class action lawsuit that said the conspired to raise CD prices I'm not going to shed a tear for them when they lose revenue.

Here's what they need to do.
- Stop creating pop bands and deciding for us what music we should listen to. Start finding real talent.
- Price cd's at or below $10 because nearly 20 is not even nearly worth it for the crap they're putting out.

[Cronus Protagonist]

7. BrainScream.com is for YOU

All private band releases. Not a record company in sight.

http://brainscream.com



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[VTMechEngr]

4. RIAA = Terrorists

The US governement doesn't negotiate with terrorists, and neither should we!

Its time for this terror campaign to end, the RIAA to be eliminated, and a better Music industry model be introduced.

[lostnfound]

5. Down with exploitive business models

Like the coffee growers and banana workers who don't get fairly paid, who are effectively owned by the powerful entity which cares not at all for their well-being but are simply a virus coded to amass wealth to itself, musicians should be freed to profit from their own efforts without exploitive middlemen.

Diversify, small scale is beautiful.

[LeftistGorilla]

6. Screw em....

I went to buy the new Freeway CD and it was $28...WTF???
I burned it from a friend...
don't bite the hand that feeds....

[SacredCow]

9. RIAA is made up of....

whining preschoolers...

The industry created the problem with hugely inflated CD costs (to cover hugely inflated salaries), a complete lack of any new material (no, I'm sorry- Britney, Christina, Jessica, Mandy, Shakira; effectively the same artist), and finally- harassing the consumers of the product.

They need to come to terms with the fact that the Compact Disc as a medium is nearing the end of it's life cycle, just as the cassette did several years back, and vinyl before it. The whole way people listen to music is changing and they better get with the program.

[LuCifer]

12. www.Boycott-RIAA.com GREAT LINK!

www.Boycott-RIAA.com <--this link is a gem!

For those who don't like the RIAA's very Nazific ways of conducting themselves, FEEL FREE TO EMAIL THEM: [e-mail]

[RetroLounge]

13. I buy ALL my music used.

Fuck the RIAA.

I give my money to the Mom & Pop used record stores...

[Rich Hunt]

16. with e-bay, etc.

It is much easier to obtain the CD you want - USED. Local used CD stores simply can't keep up with the selection that is available on Amazon, half.com or ebay.

I haven't downloaded all that much, except to privately share out of print and rare imports, but what has changed for me is that I buy and sell loads of used CDs.

I am wondering if there are any stats out there regarding the used markets.

[FDR2004]

18. That's the way to go

I noticed the other day that Tower Records installed a new used CD section. Even the industry giants are taking notice of the popularity of used CD trading, and I wonder if the timing has anything to do with the record-low sentiments towards the recording industry.

FDR2004

[Terwilliger]

14. hey, how is IRC anyway?

are they monitoring that? can they?

[fsbooks]

15. Everything can be monitored

and should be assumed to be so.

Some measure of security can be gained from encription. , for example, has an encription module that makes one feel at least better. Gaim handles IRC, though not as well as some clients.
See http://sourceforge.net/projects/gaim-encryption.

[knight_of_the_star]

20. Wow!

Those people are so stupid sometimes! Don't they realize that half the reason hackers make these kind of programs is just to drive the people who suffer from them the most nuts? I find this to be simply hilarious. You'd think they would have learned after Napster went down and Aimster, then KaZaA, then Morpheus and all the other p2ps came up that it would be about as easy to stop this phenomenon with force as it would be to empty out an ocean with a teaspoon. I guess some people will never learn.