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Adenoid_Hynkel Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:49 PM
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Bush endorsed Bob Jones' anti-catholicism, wants to go to pope's funeral
COLUMBIA, S.C. (AP) : Bob Jones University has dropped from its Web site statements from its president calling Catholicism and Mormonism cults.

A new message on the site has Bob Jones III recounting how he contemplated on Christmas Eve "the growing worldwide hostility toward the evangelizing efforts of Bible-believing Christians."

But gone is the "President's Corner" message there as late as March 2 in which Jones said, "The diminution of evangelistic enterprise to cults which call themselves Christian, including Catholicism and Mormonism, is frightening."

The language was cited after Texas Gov. George W. Bush was criticized for speaking on campus Feb. 2 to bolster his Republican presidential campaign. Arizona Sen. John McCain, his top opponent, made the visit a campaign issue, and Bush later apologized for not challenging the school's interracial dating ban and anti-Catholic views.

On March 3, Jones lifted the dating ban.
Mary Shamblin, secretary to school spokesman Jonathan Pait, said the president's message on the Web site comes from the school's quarterly magazine.

"Every time that comes out (the Web page) is updated and, as I understand it, they were a couple of issues behind," Shamblin said. "It's up to date now."
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:49 PM
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1. hmmmmmmmmm how very convient
:eyes:
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:50 PM
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2. Dubya wants to make it all about himself
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:53 PM
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3. Kennedy should go... bu*h should stay home.
He has no respect for the Papacy - it would be disgusting to see him there. I hope he is quietly 'uninvited'.:puke:
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Pirate Smile Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 09:55 PM
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4. I found this today - I didn't know Peter King had repudiated Bush - how
Edited on Sun Apr-03-05 09:57 PM by Pirate Smile
quickly did he forget?

Rep. King: 'As a Catholic, I Can No Longer Support Governor Bush' Transcript, 2/21/00

REP. PETER KING, (R-N.Y.): Good morning, Carol. How are you?
CAROL LIN, CNN: Very well. Give me an idea of what happened here. What -- why did you change your mind?
KING: Actually, I felt that I had no choice after the South Carolina primary. The way that Governor Bush took the low road in going to Bob Jones University, speaking at a school which is anti- Catholic, anti-black. I happen to be a Roman Catholic myself, and I was shocked that the person who wants to be the leader of my party and the leader of the country would allow his campaign to be used by anti- Catholic bigoted forces. And, no matter how he tries to explain it, going to a school which is anti-Catholic with his campaign's seal of approval on that school or on its policies, and as a Catholic, I can no longer support President Bush -- Governor Bush in the primary.
LIN: Well, Congressman King, are you saying that his campaign was used? Or are you saying that Governor Bush is a bigot?
KING: I think he allowed himself to be used. I think he was so desperate to be elected in South Carolina that he was willing to run the risk of speaking at a bigoted school. And to me, that shows a clear lack of judgment and also, quite frankly, a lack of moral compass.
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BUSH DID NOT REPUDIATE BOB JONES U'S ANTI-CATHOLIC STANCE.
Although the AP reports George W. Bush was warned in advance of going there, Bush did not repudiate Bob Jones University's blatantly anti-Catholic position when asked to do so in last week's debate which took place the day after the visit. When Alan Keyes called Bush's attention to the school's "religious bigotry and racial bigotry," Bush choose to ignore the question of religious bigotry. A campaign spokesperson has said Bush gave the speech there for the anticipated votes, and Bush, himself, decried the school's raciist policies during the debate, but he never said anything about its equally well known anti-Catholic attitudes. In last Tuesday's New York Times columnist Bob Herbert reports a conversation he recently had with a representative of the school.

"The former head of the university, Bob Jones Jr., engaged in an astonishing series of attacks on Catholics in the 1980's, asserting that "all the popes are demon-possessed" and that Pope John Paul II was "the greatest danger we face today." "The papacy," he said, "is the religion of Antichrist and is a satanic system."

"On Tuesday I asked a spokesman for the university, Jonathan Pait, if the school had ever repudiated Mr. Jones's statements, or backed off of them in any way. "I don't believe so," he said. According to Mr. Pait, "There is a disagreement about what the Bible teaches between Catholicism and Protestantism. And the university takes a very strong stand that Protestantism is the correct interpretation of Scripture.""

However, according to a story in yesterday's NYT, "Many voters interviewed insisted that the campaign in South Carolina would not influence them. Mr. McCain today attacked Mr. Bush for appearing at Bob Jones University, a conservative Christian college in South Carolina whose president has made critical comments about Catholics. But Ned McGrath, the spokesman for the Catholic Archdiocese of Detroit, said that he had not even heard about any controversy involving Mr. Bush's appearance at the college. The local media has made no mention of the issue, nor has the archdiocese's weekly newspaper, The Michigan Catholic, he said." --Politex, www.bushwatch.com, 2/21/00

edit to add - whoops! forgot the link
http://www.bushnews.com/catholics.htm
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Erika Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:06 PM
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5. I remember some of this garbage about BJU.
Dating of students with other races was not allowed without the express written consent of the parents....twilight zone....

Yes Catholics and Mormons were denounced as cults.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:11 PM
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8. Ha. The whole damn University is a Cult
A Cult disguised as a diploma mill.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:08 PM
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6. yes bush did. they have contempt for catholics, pope says
he is the antichrist. why pope didnt go after the anti christ i dont know

every catholic should be angry, ashamed bush is at funeral. goes into a catholic church

all ALL catholics should be yelling at bush that he owes catholics an apology before it is ok for him to go to the funeral
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:12 PM
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9. Here's what his letter to Cardinal O'Connor said.
"In his letter to O'Connor, Bush wrote, "Some have taken -- and mistaken -- this visit as a sign that I approve of the anti-Catholic and racially divisive views associated with that school. Such opinions are personally offensive to me, and I want to erase any doubts about my views and values."

Bush did not say he regretted going to the South Carolina university in the first place."


He is such a worm.
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:10 PM
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7. They banned interracial dating too
Don't remember if they lifted the ban before or after Bush spoke their while campaigning in 2000.

But it is still pretty much in effect. Now it is allowed with parental consent.
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:14 PM
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10. The "truth" of today may be different from the "truth" of yesterday
The Bushites will substitute any religion, any country, any class, race or economic group for the main players.


Oceania was at war with Eurasia now, but just four years ago, these two had formed an alliance against Eastasia. Winston remembered this clearly, but it made no difference what he or any other individual remembered, for the Party said that Eurasia had always been the Enemy and what the Party said was the Truth. This, thought Winston, was the most frightening aspect of the party regime-that it could obliterate memory, turn lies into Truth and alter the Past. The Party slogan was “Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past.” This was where “doublethink” came into play, minds were trained to hold contradictory positions simultaneously and unquestioningly- for example you had to believe at one and the same time that Democracy was impossible and that the Party was the guardian of democracy. Winston could remember a time when the Party did not rule, when Big Brother had not become all-powerful; but according to the Party they had always existed and this lie was repeated ad infinitum until it “became” the truth. This, Winston thought was a far more terrible weapon in the hands of the Party than torture or execution.

George Orwell "1984"
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fooj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:28 PM
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11. Is he invited? Wish they would tell Shrub to take his 3-ring security
circus elsewhere! I bet the Italians are thrilled...

Peace!
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BrklynLiberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:37 PM
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12. Check out these threads that question the fundies motives for trying to
make nice to the Fundamentalist Christians and Jews:

I've been wondering if the Fundies are trying to seduce the Catholics
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=3415505#3415534

When did conservatives stop being anti-Catholic?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1699736


Very chilling statements tracing Bush's ploy to cull Christian votes..
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1701133

And there was that story about the Fundamentalist Church in Tenn? WV? SC? that ended its affiliation with a food bank because it was also affiliated with a Roman Catholic Church.
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KitchenWitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-03-05 10:38 PM
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13. Sounds about right
It is all about gaining people's favor, no matter what the cost.
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