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Mon Sep-15-03 10:29 PM
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What about Clark/Edwards? |
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:31 PM
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But it's still nothing that would make me start trumpeting that it was the political second coming of Clinton/Gore. :)
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:50 PM
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15. If Clark is a pro-corporate conservative he can't win the primary |
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It will be hard enough to get past the anti-military people, and if Clark is just another corporate whore, he'll lose big and we'll get Dean - God forbid.
I think Clark's military record is great, and so will most Democrats, but if he starts pulling NAFTA shit the Greens will desert and most Democrats won't bother.
I hope Clark can live up to the expectations - I've already been promised by Clark supporters that I will be surprised by how progressive he is. It's getting close to that time, I hope he doesn't screw it up.
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:54 AM
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24. Hi ignoranceisstrength!! |
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:34 PM
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2. Edwards v. Cheney Debate... |
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:40 PM
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Would kick Cheney's lying ass.
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:34 PM
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or McCain/Clark? Starting wars and killing people seems to be the political zeitgeist.
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:37 PM
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Kucinich/Sharpton....there's a winner.
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:41 PM
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Generals follow orders. Clark got his from the Big Dog. He also got them from the Secretary-General of NATO, Javier Solana, who was a member of Spain's Socialist Party.
We didn't start the war in Kosovo. Milosevic did when he started sending out his goons to "cleanse" Kosovo.
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:43 PM
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:36 PM
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4. Two southernern moderates... |
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Is not a very balanced ticket. We need somebody a little more liberal to keep people from going Nader.
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:38 PM
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:44 PM
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11. I didn't think of that... |
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But I think they still represented different spots on the political spectrum, Gore being a little more to the left. Plus there was no Nader in 1992.
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:45 PM
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12. Clinton wasn't really moderate |
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He was a pragmatic liberal. If he'd had his way we'd have gays fully integrated in the military and national health care. Both of those are far more liberal than moderate and in both cases he was thwarted by moderates that weren't ready to handle such radical ideas. Clinton just had to remake himself and put off some of his priorities in order to get at least part of what he considered important done.
This is in complete contrast to Clark or Dean who appears to me to really be moderate. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:56 PM
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18. I actually consider him more moderate than Dean |
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And at the very least extremely effective working with a Republican Congress. Clinton was for increasing spending in very good things while cutting the budget minorly in other places. In addition, Clinton had the surplus rolling in to back up his plans. But enough about labels, anybody but Bush!!!
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:57 PM
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:47 PM
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13. edwards is a populist |
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his record of going after big business is very good.
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Mon Sep-15-03 11:00 PM
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22. Clark isn't southern, he's from Illinois |
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Tue Sep-16-03 06:16 AM
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28. He moved when he was 2 years old |
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I don't think you can peg him as not being from Arkansas when he has lived their since was 2 years old. I guess Reagan was not from California, he was born in Illionis too. And Edwards was born in South Carolina, not North Carolina. And Jeb Bush cannot be from Florida, he was not born there. And also Hillary, she is from Illionis too, not Arkansas and New York.
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Tue Sep-16-03 06:16 AM
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27. Moderate would be a revolution |
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from where we are today. Actually, Clark seems more like a liberal than a moderate to me, but either would be a radical departure from the near-facism that's taken hold. And as much as I'd love to get the Nader voters, those are not the ones that will turn the red states blue. The people the Democratic party really, really needs that it doesn't have are all the working and middle class people who vote Republican against their own best interests. The Democrats need to convince those people that they're not going to hell, not supporting terrorism and not supporting immorality by voting in favor of things like civil liberties, rights and protections for workers and a strong social safety net. I think that Clark is the best shot we've had in a long time to do that. There are any number of great VP candidates. Edwards would be fine, IMHO, and two southerners might get the votes where they're most needed. We have to stop conceding the south as well as keep the north. But hey, Clark/almost anyone would be a great ticket.
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:40 PM
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8. I prefer Edwards/Clark |
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an actual politician and a little help with foreign policy and military perception.
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:47 PM
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:52 PM
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16. I really like Edwards. |
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I think such a ticket could be very attractive.
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:55 PM
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17. Dean/Edwards or Clark would sound pretty good to me |
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anybody but Bush/Kerry the spy vs spy, skull vs skull election
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:59 PM
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21. Me, too, either would be good VP's for Dean |
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They would add balance/take off some of his rough edges.
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Mon Sep-15-03 10:58 PM
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20. I just saw him on the Daily Show |
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He'd make a good VP candidate, IMHO. He's comfortable in front of the camera/projects an accessible image well, so he could reach people (hey, that did wonders for Bush.)
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Mon Sep-15-03 11:05 PM
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23. did more wonders for Clinton and Carter... as prsidential winners |
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:55 AM
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25. Edwards could not even win reelection to the Senate |
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Why would anyone have this loser as a running mate?
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Tue Sep-16-03 06:13 AM
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Why would anyone have this loser as a running mate?
Please, enlighten us with your vast knowledge of John Edwards. I am anxious to see why he is such a loser.
Then tell us who to vote for.
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Tue Sep-16-03 06:17 AM
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29. Edwards became he loser when he chose to give up his Senate seat |
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in order to concentrate on his going-nowhere Presidential campaign. Even Gephardt and Lieberman are polling competitive numbers compared to Edwards.
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Tue Sep-16-03 06:24 AM
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30. No one can win reelection to Edwards' seat |
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John Edwards sits in a one-term seat. Here's how I know:
Edwards beat Lauch Faircloth, who blew it because his rants about how evil lawyers were made the citizens of North Carolina look at how Faircloth runs his business--which is one of the largest, dirtiest factory hog farm companies in the state.
The senator before Faircloth was a true gentleman named Terry Sanford. Mr. Sanford was governor of North Carolina. He was one of the state's most beloved politicians--and he lasted one term in that seat.
I know that seat is going to change. Edwards' withdrawal from consideration for it means it may remain in the hands of the Democratic Party.
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Tue Sep-16-03 11:16 AM
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31. What about Edwards/Clark? |
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If Edwards isn't at the top of the ticket, I'd be delighted with Clark/Edwards. I like them both, I'm sad for Edwards that he didn't get his day, but I'm glad that Clark is definitely in.
I do think it's premature to be handing Clark the nom, though. Maybe, to save social security, he wants us to eat puppies.
:shrug:
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