The Pope's Funeral

[boneygrey]

With the exception of funerals, weddings, and christenings, I have not been to a church service in 20 years. I must admit that I'm overwhelmed with emotion. What a great man.:cry:

[fortyfeetunder]

1. after seeing the Pope in person

when he was on the East Coast celebrating an outdoor mass in the fall of 1979, watching this funeral is a rather profound moment.

on edit: wrote the wrong date!!!

[boneygrey]

3. And I'm not Catholic

but I will try to stay awake for this.

[boneygrey]

5. The date

I wondered about that. Thanks for the edit. Isn't the music amazing?

[LosinIt]

2. nightime cube rat here, is Bu$h out in the open with the masses??

no protests? what respect and restraint the Europeans are showing for THE POPE of course, but Georgie will think it is out of adoration for him.

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[pres2032]

6. such a beautiful service

[boneygrey]

7. It is

and I love your tag line.

[housewolf]

8. The Latin service is really taking me back...

I never thought I would feel this weepy abour anything connected to the Catholic church after I left it so long ago. I'm confused and sad.

[etherealtruth]

34. I did NOT anticipate my response to "all" of this ...

... The magnitude of the number of other human beings having these feelings is also overwhelming.

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[Joe the Revelator]

11. how about giving it a rest for 2 hours?

or just keep spouting weak talking points. Your choice.

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[RBHam]

25. my acerbic commentary has not been appreciated...

tough room

[Piperay]

10. It's BEAUTIFUL...

I'm not Catholic but is very majestic yet also very moving. I'm a history buff so I am very interested in the ritual and traditions that go back hundreds of years, I wouldn't miss it for anything.

[alcuno]

12. My mom is in town and we're up watching it.

Amazing.

[6000eliot]

14. You couldn't pay me to watch it.

[mr blur]

28. Have to agree with you

couldn't care less about the pope and, with all the ridiculous nonsense being spouted about this reactionary, right-wing relic of the Middle Ages, I'm astonished just astonished. Has the world gone mad?

[tritsofme]

30. Well you seemingly care enough

to come here and tell us how little you care about him...

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[Cooley Hurd]

37. Ouch!

:D

[Piperay]

33. Well I watched for the learning

I like to see things I haven't seen before, it really was magnificent.

[QC]

38. Then don't watch it. That's simple enough. n/t

[Renew Deal]

43. Certainly not at 4:00 AM.

:boring:

[vanboggie]

15. Waiting for AntiChrist to be zapped

A lightning bolt from above to take out the born agains in attendance.

[izzie]

16. I was shocked he went. How do they get that bubble into Rome?

He could not have traveled as he did on the last trip. I mean I read they even stopped trains and river travel on that last trip. That church is one you never for get by the way.

[LdyGuique]

17. I'm neither Christian nor Catholic; however, this week has moved

me greatly. I hadn't realized how profoundly John Paul II had affected so many people from around the world. I'm truly impressed at the wide range of dignitaries, both political and religious, that reflect the modern world.

It takes a great individual, a person with vast personal integrity, to pull this variety of worldviews into a single event.

Note: I had to exercise the use of ignore for the first time -- some people simply lack all manners.

[Piperay]

20. Good idea

regarding a certain feature...THANKS.

[RBHam]

18. Will the Pope's death bring the World peace?

All those different faiths there, different creeds, cultures...

Quick! Someone burn something besides incense in those holders! We could have world peace by Noon!

:smoke:

[RBHam]

19. I wonder if Bush is thinking about catheters about now...

"Shouldn't have had that last glass of Dago Beer..."

[DARE to HOPE]

46. The most exciting/chilling/hopeful part of it for me was at the end...

...when the massive crowd kept applauding and yelled "Gian Paolo! Gian Paolo! Gian Paolo!" as the giant bells in St. Peter's pealed! With all those "heads of state" there--yet the crowd yelled for a man of faith and peace. And it went on and on and on! The world, begging God for leadership such as this, rather than what we all have.

I am listening to an Italian reporter interview a couple of Americans, children of Jewish and R Catholic parents--they found the reaching out of this Pope to those of other faiths and all the nations the most compelling. To me, this is a picture of the God I worship.

[WillowTree]

21. For a church...

...that has always been known for beautiful and often majestic ceremony and tradition, they have really outdone themselves for this occasion, as befitting one so beloved and revered the world over.

I'm reminded how much I loved the Latin Mass. The Mass in English, rock Masses, folk Masses, so-called "echumenical" masses were supposed to make Mass more "relevant". Speaking only for myself, they didn't. There is something about the old Mass, barely changed over two thousand years, that is uniquely moving to me. I'm loving this.

[vanboggie]

22. I agree Willow

I was just a kid when the Latin Mass was still celebrated, and it was never the same for me after the Vatican II changes swept through.

[LdyGuique]

23. Since mystery is at the heart of the Catholic ritual --

perhaps, Latin is necessary as few actually understand it as a spoken language.

[Bridget Burke]

35. The Missals translated everything

They are books that show the "script" for each day's Mass. The "framework" is the same every day, other bits change according to the Church calendar.

In the old days, the Latin was printed on the left-hand page & the English translation on the right, giving a fine introduction to an ancient language. You could even "read ahead" if things got a bit boring. Besides, the priests were faced away from the congregation & often mumbled; they would have been hard to understand, even speaking English.

The sermons were always in English. Unless your parish spoke Spanish, French (for the creoles in Frenchtown), Czech, Polish or Vietnamese.

[RBHam]

24. I wonder how much it cost?

Just wondering.

What with Pope JP II being a champion of the poor and all that jazz...

[QC]

39. Give it a rest already.

You hate religion. We know that. We know it because you remind us about a hundred times every day. Fine. That's your prerogative, but don't flatter yourself by thinking that your opinion on the subject matters any more than anyone else's, and try to have some common courtesy just this once for those for whom this is a meaningful event.

[RBHam]

26. What does Santo Subito mean? saw on a sign.

lots of flags and signs with place names..are some signs names of Papal candidates?

[tritsofme]

27. "Make him a saint at once"

They were also chanting "magnus" which means the "Great".

He will most likely be remembered in history as John Paul the Great.

[RBHam]

29. Gracias

nt

[LdyGuique]

31. It's too bad that the Nobel Peace Prize can't be given

posthumously -- as he is as deserving of it as the Dalai Lama. He accomplished a great good during his lifetime. All of these people didn't show up just cus he was the Pope -- they showed up for the man who was the Pope and how he conducted himself.

[fortyfeetunder]

48. Nobel guys had 20-something years to get it done

but it was not to be. Maybe the next Pope can carry the peace torch and get the reward for JPII.

[Cooley Hurd]

36. It was quite a spectacle, wasn't it?

I've always been fascinated by state funerals - the traditions and pomp of it all. However, the song they were singing (in which they name a saint, and then sing "pray for him" in Latin) is major earworm - I can't get it out of my head!:crazy:

[Hosnon]

40. Anyone have a video of the funeral? I missed it. eom

[DARE to HOPE]

45. Keith O is showing a lot of it tonight on his show--

He has a two-hour special which will be spent covering the mass.

Oh, I just found it on Catholic television EWTN--they are rerunning the whole thing, and probably will again.

[DARE to HOPE]

47. Just saw the end again--on C-Span!!

They are rerunning it tonight at 7pm and 11pm EST.

[spinbaby]

41. I just caught the tail end...

...after the funeral proper was over. It went something like this:

"There sure are a lot of people here."

"Yes, there sure are a lot of people."

"What do you think those people might be feeling?"

"I don't know. Perhaps they're sad and happy all at the same time."

"Here's a short video of what happened earlier."

"There sure are a lot of people here."

"I think maybe some of those people might be starting to leave."

"There are certainly a lot of people here."

[MsUSA]

42. Me too boneygrey: watching the funeral, I just started crying.

[progressoid]

44. The Pope died?

Hmmm, musta missed it.