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snacker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:18 AM
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Jenna Bush
Our local radio station has been discussing a new Jenna Bush story.
Apparently, last night she was on all fours doing "The Butt Dance" (?) at some club in New York. From what they are saying, she had her skirt pulled up, exposing just her thong and was dancing with a married man. The kicker is that someone taped it.
Anybody else here about this?
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flamingyouth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:20 AM
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1. It was in our local paper this morning:
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CarefullyLiberal Donating Member (182 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:26 AM
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101. Rumor rumor rumor
It's fun to make fun and laugh at the incident, but it's just a rumor.

The article says that the guy videotaping DID NOT catch Jenna Bush on tape doing "The Butt Dance" dance. Also there is no mention of the Bush girl dancing with a married man, yet another BS accusation.

Does anybody have a link to collaborate the accusation?

I'd love to see it.

Fergus


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A videotape can bite you in the you-know-what. Just ask Paris Hilton. This time it's Jenna Bush, the wanna-be schoolteacher, who could be in videotape trouble. According to the New York Post, the president's daughter attended a bachelorette party at a NYC club, where it's a tradition to get down and dirty when the DJ plays "Da Butt" by E.U. We say "eeeeeeeuuuuuu" to this. Fortunately, the videographer missed the part where Bush was on all fours doing "the butt dance" and the guys were "ogling her thong."

Jenna reportedly was "very polite" when she was sent outside to smoke." Her Secret Service agent probably needed some fresh air.
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patrice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 12:45 PM
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109. That's ". . . corroborate the accusation?"
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:20 AM
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2. I say: leave it lie.
Everyone has family, and family members don't always behave the way they should. Trying to use this against the GOP is beneath us. It's fodder for the gossip columnists, not political discussion.
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:25 AM
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7. Neither was the discussion of the choice of blouse materials for
Chelsea Clinton or one of Kerry's daughters. But *they* made it politcal fodder.
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eallen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:39 AM
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18. Most of them did not. The ones who did showed their own morals.
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:20 AM
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74. or the fact that Billy Carter "loved his beer".....
Facts are facts.. People who go into politics, do so willingly, and drag their whole family with them. It may not be fair, but if you have "partying" family members or indiscreet ones, then politics may not be for you..or be prepared to drag their "pecadillos" out into the public arena.. That's just the way it is:(

The daughters of the manager at the Western Auto store in Podunk Texas are not featured on the front page, but then HE's not president, is he??

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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:27 AM
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8. family members don't always behave
then he had better damn well quit judging all of us and telling us we are the sinner. dontcha think

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Arkana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:46 AM
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24. True
I'm personally sick of hearing about how conservatives can raise kids better than liberals. We see stories like this, and it just proves the exact opposite.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:27 AM
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10. I Want To Agree
but it sure is funny.

Anyway, I was okay with laying off the Bush twins, but since they helped their Daddy last year, a part of me wants to say they are fair game.

And anyway, there was a teacher in Seminole County (Florida) got fired or something for lifting her shirt at a party. This was on her own time and there were no children there, but still, people felt she didn't have the morals to be teaching our youth, so...
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 02:52 PM
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48. Seriously?
Oh God. So now even the teachers who are adults aren't allowed to have a good time on their own time?? :banghead:
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 12:36 PM
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106. So now?
Teachers are a lot more free today to do things on their spare time than they used to be.

Here are some rules for teachers from 1915

"Actual Rules for Teachers (circa 1915)

1. You will not marry during the term of your contract.
2. You are not to keep company with men.
3. You must be home between the hours of 8 p.m. and 6 a.m. unless
attending a school function.
4. Your dresses must not be any shorter than two inches above the
ankle.
5. You may not travel beyond the city limits unless you have the
permission of the chairman of the (school) board.
6. You may not ride in a carriage or automobile with any man unless he is your father or brother.
7. You may not dress in bright colors.
8. You may under no circumstances dye your hair.
9. You must wear at least two petticoats.
10. You may not loiter downtown in ice cream stores"

The petticoat rule was especially difficult for the males who often only owned one or two good petticoats.
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LibertyLover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:27 PM
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61. Teachers
Gosh that sounds like a story straight out of yesteryear. My mom was a teacher for 40 or so years and told me how when she first started teachers' contracts had morals clauses in them, things like teachers could not be seen drinking, even on their own time or over vacations, or wearing indecent clothing. One teacher she worked with was fired because she was seen by members of the community wearing shorts while working around her own yard. And of course originally, if you got married you had to quit working. They later changed it to you had to quit if you got pregnant. By the time I was in high school even that had gone by the wayside. One of my Spanish teachers worked until the last day of school then went directly from school to the hospital to have her baby.
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kurtyboy Donating Member (968 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:58 AM
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152. When I was a kid, my dad was an officer in the local education association
There was a labor dispute, and at one of the union meetings, a local reporter got a photograph of him with a cigarette in his hand.

When it ran in the newspaper, that photograph almost became as big of a story as the labor dispute--teachers weren't supposed to be seen smoking--ever. I guess this is why Dad always went to a different town to have a few beers...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:27 AM
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11. Family values.
What kind of parents did she have, that she behaves like this?

Look at Chelsea Clinton, Caroline Kennedy, the Gore girls, the Kerry daughters.

Then look at the Bush kids.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:33 AM
Response to Reply #11
16. At the same time this occurred, Caroline Kennedy was presenting
PROFILES IN COURAGE AWARDS at the Kennedy Library.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 06:03 AM
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83. So? Jenna was presenting Profiles in "Da Butt".

Comparing Jenna Bush to Caroline Kennedy is like... uh, comparing Jenna Bush to Caroline Kennedy.
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:29 AM
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12. You know, I *would* agree
except for one thing. The twins went out campaigning for their dad... that means they chose to enter the political arena. Under those circumstances, it seems to me that they lose their right to be left the hell alone.

As for the person who videotaped it... he's probably already dead.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:32 AM
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14. It's the HYPOCRISY
of preaching religious superiority and a complete ownership of all family values that makes this story worthwhile.

Personally, I don't care what the little tramp does. I probably did worse when I was that age. In fact, since brains and imagination are both in horribly short supply in that family, I'm sure I did worse.

However, taken as an example of Repuglican family values in action, it is highly instructive.

They'd better find a member of the Texas mafia to marry her off to quickly.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 11:13 AM
Response to Reply #14
39. All the crazy shit I did....
it's a wonder I survived to adulthood!

But then I was raised by two very liberal and loving parents
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Swamp Rat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:22 AM
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75. STUPID
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 05:23 AM by Swamp Rat
You forgot "stupid." :D

edit: I'm not referring to anyone here. :)
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:33 AM
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15. Ahhh...the oft-ignored voice of reason...n/t
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:50 AM
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27. The same voice which won soooooo many elections
the last cycle? Evidently, always taking the "high road" looks good on paper, but it does not deliver much in the way of tangible results.

We might just be living in a different world if Kerry's advisor's had told him to "KICK SOME SWIFT BOAT ASS" right out of the chute.

Lets not drag the disastrously bad political strategy of the last election cycle into today.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 11:05 AM
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32. Yeah, you're right. Jenna's ass will ensure our victory.
:eyes:
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 02:35 PM
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46. Well, her ass might be pleasant to look at, butt
I feel that since the republicans have made "morality" a political issue, then her public display should be fair game.

Bill Clinton (bless his attempt) tried to take the high ground all through watergate, and the relentless "moral" attacks levied by the republicans. It did not work out to well for him, or us, either.
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daleo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:08 PM
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53. Whitewater, not Watergate.
Watergate was Nixon's doing, and it really was serious. I imagine you meant to say this, so I am just pointing it out for the sake of younger readers who may not be aware of the difference.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 04:56 AM
Response to Reply #53
70. Why yes it was.
Sorry for the senior moment. I must be ready for the glue factory.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:32 AM
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77. In case you haven't noticed, a certain party's mealy-mouthed pathological
inability to play the game the way they do hasn't ensured jack diddly squat shit, of late.

Of course, maybe you're right... hey, maybe the solution is to get fascinating people of the caliber of Joe Lieberman to explain in long, lengthy, winded speeches why half-assed compromise on the issue of Republicans raiding social security is preferable to us collectively bending over... Or perhaps we just haven't figured out which core constituency- the pro-choicers, the gays, or the people who still believe in the separation of church and state- we need to sell down the river even more to appeal to the ever-elusive red state "values" voter...

Uh huh. And taking the "high road" with the Swift Boat goons was just pure genius on the part of the Kerry campaign, wasn't it?
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:33 AM
Response to Reply #77
78. Dupe. Delete.
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 05:34 AM by impeachdubya
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:35 AM
Response to Reply #77
98. What the hell are you talking about?
This is a thread about assassinating the character of Republicans because a first daughter showed a thong on a dance floor.

I am as big a hater of the DLC as is on DU, a fervent Howard Dean supporter, and shake my head at the mealy-mouthed excuse-making wing of our party. I have advocated running a candidate against Lieberman in the '06 primary dozens of times.

You obviously have no idea about me.

Watch who you flame. Just because I think making a big deal out of this ass-shaking is dumber than dumb doesn't mean I am some freeper-DLC-wussyDem-apologist.

When you knee-jerk, you hurt DU. Stop it.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 03:24 PM
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128. If you read my post...
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 03:26 PM by impeachdubya
You'll notice that I didn't accuse YOU of any of those things. That was hardly a flame. Who is being knee-jerk?

However, you did advocate, essentially, that we "play nice", which, whatever side of the party you happen to be coming from, is NOT a tack which has won us elections. And there are larger issues at play than just Jenna flashing her thong- there are issues of "morality" and "family values" (things which THEY have made central to U.S. elections, not us) and the hypocrisy of a political party that never takes a break from reminding us self-righteously that we are "out of touch" with the "values heartland" because of our stances on things like Choice and Gay rights.

"Character assasination" is when you portray a war hero as someone who injured himself or overstated shrapnel wounds to get a purple heart. Character assasination is when you pretend that the governor (now ex-governor) of California was somehow responsible for the lights being turned off when the real people behind it were corporate criminals from Texas.

Character Assasination is NOT pointing out, truthfully, that the adult daughter of our professed "family values" president, who (as has been rightly pointed out elsewhere) campaigned for the man in 2004, was doing "da butt" dance at an NYC nightclub in a fashion that would make most of her dad's government funded Abstinence Only educators' heads explode. It is relevant because it highlights the flaming hypocrisy among the preachy "family values" crowd, where the values they seek to impose only apply to OTHER families, not their own.

I'm astounded you can't see that, but it was not my intent to "flame" you.
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gulfcoastliberal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 12:43 PM
Response to Reply #77
108. Great post
That's all I'm going to say. Very succinct.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 12:47 PM
Response to Reply #108
111. It would be a great post
if it had anything to do with the topic. See my response.
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slor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:39 AM
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19. Screw that...
we cannot always take the tactic of playing fair, when the other team makes great efforts to cheat. They have sown the wind, and now they shall reap the whirlwind!
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:47 AM
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25. You express the sentiments of a previous century.
The political discussion of today is STEEPED with bible quotes and dissertations on "morality".

After all, the major plank in the re-puke platform is the legislation of the "morality" of worker bees.

This is their chosen political framework. I say lets RAM IT TO EM.
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 11:10 AM
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36. If her daddy hadn't been elected on a moral values platform...
I'd agree with you.
BUTT.... no pun intended. he did so it's fair game.
If it had been alex or nessa kerry they'd be doin' the same and you know I'm right
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kliljedahl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 04:28 PM
Response to Reply #36
67. Remember Vanessa's "see through" dress
At Cannes & the stink the RW made about that? Let's give 'em hell!!


http://www.kliljedahl.net
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:15 AM
Response to Reply #67
73. It was Alexandra...
...but yes, I remember. The RW blew that SO out of proportion. Like a woman having breasts is a scandal.
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guinivere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 11:42 AM
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43. You are right. The family should be left out of it.
BUT, the repugs are the first to squeal and bitch about "morals". If Jenna's on all fours showing her ass and cavorting about with a married man...
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 02:57 PM
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50. Especially a married man
Showing her ass and rubbing up against him. And this is family values. :eyes:
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:04 PM
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52. Screw the high road. I can stomach no more HYPOCRISY.
The right wing and the GOP are continually making a big public show about having cornered the market on "morals" and "values.," etc.

So **anything** they do that is not in keeping with that claim is fair game, IMO. If it's Jenna wagging her ass, so be it.

Hell, the GOP makes stuff up to nail Democrats with. Can you say "Swift-Boar Liars?" :grr:
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zann725 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:46 AM
Response to Reply #52
153. I agree! And considering all the "photo" phones probably in the club...
...someone no doubt "captured" it. Since a picture is worth a thousand words...for the sake of "all that's fair in Politics and Family Values," here's hoping at least some of that footage escaped the clutches of Jenna's Secret Service...and soon rides to the rescue of Ms. Jenna's honor.
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0007 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:13 PM
Response to Reply #2
56. Like the GOP had class when it came to Chelsea Clinton , 'eh?

...to you too eallen
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:16 PM
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57. Of Course You Do.
But the question must be asked. How on Earth did President Jesus end up rearing a Paris Hilton clone? Where are the the values ... THE VALUES?

Jay
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:24 AM
Response to Reply #2
76. THEY made "family values" and "morality" and church lady preachifyin'
an issue, not US.

If it comes back to bite them on their self-righteous asses, hey, man, that's the infinite ironic beauty of Karma in action.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 08:52 AM
Response to Reply #76
93. The Bush cartel is also pushing abstinence only education
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 08:54 AM by ikojo
for the rest of us while their tramps cavort around rubbing their rumps on married men. I can say with that based upon statistics, Jenna has probably not practiced abstinence only. I am sure she is not a believer in "true love waits."

I also tire of people in their 20s being called KIDS. They are adults. Maybe among the comfortable middle and upper classes one is still a kid in one's 20s, but in the working class people in their 20s have real responsibilities.

While Dems are "playing the high ground" because Jenna and Babs Jr are young adults, the right on the other hand are looking for any and every reason to attack. The "high ground" has gotten us a Republican president, Republican Senate, Republican House and Republican judiciary.

What Americans understand is the FIGHT. If they perceive someone as being meely mouthed and unwilling to stand up for themselves (a la the swifties) then they reason, will they be equally meely mouthed when the US is threatened?
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:10 AM
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100. I say: we can't afford to leave it lie.
Don't bring a knife to a gun fight.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:05 AM
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158. I say post the pics from here to kingdom come.
they sure didn't "miss the part" where Alexandra Kerry's breasts and her fruit of the looms got exposed by flashbulbs at one of the debates, did they?

Hell, no. It's all in who you know, and whose Daddy does blow.
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democrat in Tallahassee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:20 AM
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3. we're lucky her dad didn't do the same thing at Pope's funeral!
If indeed he didn't.
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JitterbugPerfume Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:24 AM
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6. I am afraid to ask--butt I will
Edited on Fri Apr-08-05 10:25 AM by JitterbugPerfume
what is a butt dance?

leave it alone? WHY SHOULD WE?
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peekaloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:22 AM
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4. I thought that was the part that didn't get videotaped
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DemBeans Donating Member (669 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:22 AM
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5. mmm-hmmmm
Family Values, hard at work on the dance floor.

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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:40 AM
Response to Reply #5
20. Well, how do you think a "Family" is created?
Evidently, the "traditional republican" way is in a drunken stupor on a dance floor.
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guinivere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 11:50 AM
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44. LOL n/t
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 05:00 PM
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68. I wonder if Jenna has trouble getting HER ...
Birth Control pills filled?? She may need a "Morning Afer" pill after her little flash dance routine.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:54 AM
Response to Reply #68
81. I had the exact same thought. nt
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 05:56 AM by impeachdubya
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:27 AM
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9. I see the story is already getting embellished....
Edited on Fri Apr-08-05 10:28 AM by tx_dem41
first I've heard of the addition where she is pulling her skirt up. Funny, the printed story just says people could see her thong, which is the style these days with low-rider jeans. Amazing how stories get "added to".

It seems like Jenna is acting about like all the other young 20-somethings in my neighborhood. What's the problem with that?
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:42 AM
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22. Nothing, as long as Democrats don't care about family values.
If we do, however, we should speak up and deplore this bad example being foisted on our children.....or, wait, I'm not sure what we should do.

I thought we lost because we are willing to except this kind of behavior by our young people. Now I hear we lost because we decry this kind of behavior in our young people, I'm so confused...
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:51 AM
Response to Reply #22
28. Wow...had to check to make sure this was still a progressive forum...
for a second. So let me get this straight, low-rider, hip-hugging jeans are anti-family. Dancing provocatively (going back to the Charleston I guess, since that was frowned on back in the 20s) is anti-family. Gotcha.

Can't wait to see your similar posts when our fellow Democrats are "caught" doing the Butt Dance.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 11:01 AM
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31. This is not about "democrats" doing the butt dance.
If you haven't noticed, progressives tend to believe that "morality" is the providence of the individual, and not the government.

This is about the other guys, you know, the republicans. They happen to believe that the governments primary responsibility is to legislate the morality which governs peasants.

They are condemned by their own "standards"
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 11:06 AM
Response to Reply #31
34. I have to laugh. The RWers I know don't consider
the Butt Dance to be immoral and these are Church-going individuals. Heck, these people were doing the Gator along with the rest of us at our high school dances.
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conflictgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:58 PM
Response to Reply #34
63. So you don't think there would've been massive collective RW outrage...
If it had been Chelsea Clinton caught doing the "butt dance", or being a member of some nudist society in college, or drinking underage with a fake ID?

Yeah, right. I personally don't think anything the Bush twins have done is that unusual for their age and I don't condemn it, but I have to say that Chelsea Clinton has conducted herself a hell of a lot better as a First Daughter and I'm annoyed by the hypocrisy displayed by the RW in giving the Bush daughters the free pass.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 08:33 AM
Response to Reply #63
88. Why do you want me to behave like a RWer??? n/t
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Blue Belle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 05:05 PM
Response to Reply #28
69. Wasn't it the "Moral Values" people who passed a law in...
Edited on Fri Apr-08-05 05:06 PM by Blue Belle
Missouri where if your pants were low enough to see your underwear, you were fined $50??

Did I hear that correct??
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 08:57 AM
Response to Reply #69
95. Um....many strange things do happen in Missouri but the
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 08:58 AM by ikojo
low rider thing was being considered in either Virginia or West Virginia. If such a law was passed in Missouri, the city of St Louis would solve all of its revenue problems.

There was a town in Missouri that at one time had a ban on high school dances (this is what the movie Footloose is based on)
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:44 AM
Response to Reply #9
23. Could it be the hypocrisy of her father?
After all, this is supposed to be the shining example of a "Traditional born-again conservative republican Christian family" which claims to bristle with moral supremacy.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:53 AM
Response to Reply #23
29. I know many "born-agains" that go out dancing....
and even drink. If you check, it doesn't say you can't dance or drink in the Bible. I don't judge them anyway, because I surely don't like it when they judge me.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:56 AM
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30. I would love to meet a born-again who lived within their "morals".
Normaly, they only exhibit greed, anger, or selfishness. With a halo on it of course.

I would love to see them live with their own stated morals for once, and to stop heaping their bullshit on everyone else. To the average christian, morals are what "other" people must live by
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #30
41. But instead, you're just going to heap your morality back at them.
And, I suspect its not really YOUR morality.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 02:31 PM
Response to Reply #41
45. Well, as a Democrat, I feel that
"Morality", whenever possible, should be the providence of the individual.

Unfortunately, our current political system is attempting to jam "born-again" morals down the throats of the rest of the world.

Too bad they simply cannot lead by EXAMPLE.

Oh wait, they are. Evidently "Christian morality" isn't all that it is cracked up to be.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 07:56 AM
Response to Reply #45
86. ""Morality", whenever possible, should be the providence of ...
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 08:32 AM by tx_dem41
...the individual". The majority on this thread don't appear to agree with this principle.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 10:55 AM
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99. Well, it is due to republican hypocrisy
Republicans, not Democrats believe that the best way to govern is through the legislation of morality for the individual.

Don't you understand this?

They crow, then violate their own creed. They made "morality" political not us. Since they have, why not point it out?

Too many Republicans get a free pass because Liberals refuse to say anything when they violate their own standards.

Don't cry about the "conservative media" not reporting any stories critical of the bushtapo if you do not reconsider your own "always take the high road" view point.

This strategy did NOT serve us well during the last election cycle.

Encourage discussion about conservative misdeeds. Republicans WANT us to hold on to your beliefs.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 04:07 PM
Response to Reply #86
130. I do agree with this principle. But the GOP doesn't.
Therefore, if they are going to try to impose that shit on my family, I will return the favor by pointing out their blatant hypocrisy on such matters.

In a sidenote: was it relevant to mention that Newt Gingrich served his wife divorce papers while she lay in the hospital with cancer--- when the guy was up in the House of Representatives self-righteously bloviating about Clinton's "immoral" behavior?
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #130
132. But there's a difference between calling out hypocrisy....
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 04:25 PM by tx_dem41
and denouncing the Bush girls as immoral (for doing the Butt Dance?...what 20 something hasn't done the Butt Dance or something equally as "shocking"?)
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 04:42 PM
Response to Reply #132
136. Oh, yeah. I agree there. I didn't realize that was anyone's point.
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 04:43 PM by impeachdubya
Shit, as far as I'm concerned, the Republican party could use MORE butt dancers, not less. Might make them lighten up. It's the people who don't dance at ALL (like John Ashcroft) that really worry me.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 04:58 PM
Response to Reply #136
137. I said something similar yesterday, I believe....lol. n/t
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Binka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:14 PM
Response to Reply #132
138. My 20 Somethings Think This Shit Is Gross
My daughter a junior at Madison and my son a freshman at George Mason said today that they think she is a drunken slut. They do not do the butt dance and yes they party. They smoke dope and they drink and they think she is a HO.


And if I was a sitting President they would respect me enough to shove this shit behavior up their own butts.

These Bush girls are twisted. Like their father they just don't fucking care.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 06:36 PM
Response to Reply #138
144. So, they break the law...
...yet, they are judgemental? Oy vey. When will we ever learn?
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 11:22 AM
Response to Reply #9
40. I heard that....
she was drunk at a bachelorett party dancing to some 1988 "Butt song" (don't know it has I was listening to REM and the Dead Boys and other punk rock wonders), she had on a short skirt and when she got down on her hands and knees to do the dance that traditionally goes with said song (?) her tong was visible.

Now I don't know about the married guy... but dancing is just dancing.

also, where the other ladies doing the dance?
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 02:53 PM
Response to Reply #9
49. It probably is being embellished.
And you know it's mostly men inquiring about it. You should know that.

:-)
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #9
55. Jenna's bum is fine -- it's the HYPOCRISY of the right wing that's ugly.
Edited on Fri Apr-08-05 03:10 PM by KrazyKat
They are trying to ram their bullshit down everyone's throat, preaching about morals and values. Well, if they don't walk the walk, I say nail 'em -- with extreme prejudice.

As far as Jenna's public cavorting goes, may she have many more episodes of bottom-revealing whoopee!
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 08:35 AM
Response to Reply #55
89. Well....I refuse to be hypocritical in return. That would make one a...
hypocrite.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 06:03 PM
Response to Reply #89
143. However, pointing out the RW hypocracy through
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 06:05 PM by John Q. Citizen
Jenna's behavior wouldn't be hypocritical and one need not condemn

Jenna's behavior to point out the inherent hypocracy of her behavior.

On the other hand if you prefer to give 'em a pass on this I have no problem with that, though I hope you don't have a problem with others who would throw this back in their faces.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 06:37 PM
Response to Reply #143
145. I'm not sure I see the hypocrisy in her behavior?
Maybe, you could say that * was being hypocritical if we knew that he approved of the behavior. But, we don't know that.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 07:09 PM
Response to Reply #145
146. Don't be thick just to make a point. I understand what you're saying...
but, unfortunately, this isn't the time to take a high-road, I-won't-stoop-to-their-level stance on issues that the right wing has used to their advantage -- intangibles such as "moral clarity," "family values," etc., etc. the right wing *does not hesitate* to heap scorn and outrage on liberals and Democrats in this nebulous area, to the extent that words like "satanic" and "evil" have been aimed at those who would dissent.

Regardless of what one thinks about Jenna's choices, whenever the right-wing's behaviors do not jibe with the holier-than-thou crap that they're selling (and selling well), they should be called on it. If * is selling "family values," and his daughter is knocking down the booze and wagging her tail in public, then it's the *message* that should be discredited.

Whew.

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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 07:26 PM
Response to Reply #146
147. I guess I'll just remain being thick then.....
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 07:29 PM by tx_dem41
....Don't try to make me feel bad about maintaining the high-road. If people on this forum think that a voter exists that elects a President based on a daughter's behavior, then those people live in a very insulated little political world. They need to get out more and talk to the vast majority of the independent voters and potential independent voters in this country who would laugh if you even suggested it. Okay, they might not laugh, they might be kind and just give you a weird, pitying look.
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paineinthearse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:29 AM
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13. Yes, this was posted in POLITICS forum yesterday
Edited on Fri Apr-08-05 10:31 AM by paineinthearse
What this has to do with politics, I have no idea, it is more approproiate for GENERAL or even the LOUNGE. Maybe the mods will move it here.

see http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=132&topic_id=1710687&mesg_id=1710687
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:38 AM
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17. There was a video made.
They claim that they "missed" the butt dance. The indication was that it might wind up on TV or for sale later this week. Evidently, she and several other attractive young girls arrived in a battered old mini-van to party down at the club. The club was called something like "Nuh Vanah" I am sure this is a misspelling but I cannot remember what it was.
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jayfish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:19 PM
Response to Reply #17
59. I Wonder If They Went On Back To The...
V.I.P room.



Jay
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:41 AM
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21. There was another thread about it hear on this site.
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WI_DEM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 10:48 AM
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26. I love 'em Bush family values
exposing her thong dancing a suggestive dance with a married man--My what would that old bat Babs think?
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alcibiades_mystery Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 11:06 AM
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33. Jenna's my punk rock girl
Sung to the tune of The Dead Milkmen's Punk Rock Girl, with apologies to the Milkmen.

One Saturday I took a walk to Longhorn Land
I met a girl there
Who'd just finished a keg stand
Jenna Bush please look at me
Jenna Bush what do you see?
All your classes may go WHOOSH
But you're for me Jenna Bush

I tapped her on the shoulder
And said would you like a beer?
Her secret service agent
Kicked me in the ear
Jenna Bush give me a hug
Jenna Bush call off your thug
My spinal cord is crushed
But you're for me Jenna Bush

We went to a night club
In downtown NYC
The waitress said "I'll bring
all our cheap champagne"
So we jumped up on the table
And shouted "GOP"
And the DJ played a dirty song
On the wheels of steel
It was "when you get that notion'"
So we started screamin'
"Put your backfield in motion!"

She brought me down to Crawford
For a Sunday meal
Her father took one look at me
And he began to squeal
Jenna Bush it makes no sense
That your dad's the fucking President
But I love your little tush
Yeah you're for me Jenna Bush

We went over to DC
And laughed at all the tourists
And secret service trailed us
To the White House gates
We asked for Jenna's daddy
They said "He don't work here"
We said "Well if you see Jenna's daddy
Let him know we're smokin' a fatty"

We got on Air Force One
Away we started flyin'
I said "Ain't this your dad's plane?"
She said "Fuck him, man, he's lyin'"
Jenna Bush you look so lit
Jenna Bush let's have a kid
We'll name her Barbara Bush
Just you and me
The newspapers will gush
'Bout you and me
Now, when I pull you push
Just you and me
JENNA BUUUUUUUUUSH
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 11:11 AM
Response to Reply #33
37. haha, bravo!
love the dead milkmen, they were one of the first bands i got into, i must have been around twelve or so, ah those were the days!

nice work alcibiades_mystery!
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conflictgirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 04:11 PM
Response to Reply #33
65. Dude, that was awesome!
Dead Milkmen songs still pop into my head at the weirdest possible moments. :P
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #33
134. How Funny
I could see this in an episode of South Park. The Milkmen sound a tad like Cartwright etal.
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KharmaTrain Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 11:09 AM
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35. I Saw This One Coming...LOL
Keep in mind...

The Anheiser-Bush twins are now legal adults...thus have the right to go out and drink themselves into daffiness, smoke like chimneys and do whatever else any of us have the right to do. Yes, they are private people and their lives should be respected, until they step out into the limelight.

Surely Jenna has been through this drill long enough and knows that every time she walks out the door there's gonna be someone with a camera or wanting to make a quick buck blabbing to a tabloid. While I'm sure, just like daddy, she travels in a bubble world where she doesn't come in contact with anyone who hasn't been thoroughly programmed, Frau Hughes and others have lectured her to watch out about the butt and lap dancing.

I'm kinda curious to see this "Girls Gone Wild" video...and not sure it's a good or bad thing. The good is it makes people think the Bush cabal is one dysfunctional bunch of morons. The bad is it'll create another Paris Hilton and we'll never get rid of these losers.
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 04:03 PM
Response to Reply #35
64. Yes, they have the right to make asses out of themselves
like any other adults. They also have oodles of cash to do it with, which the majority of us don't have. But good for them. We know a good shrink would see what this is really about. It's not about partying or wanting to be slutty or anything like that. It's about embarrassing the parent unit because there is so much underlying anger there, I feel sorry for them.

I hope they start getting some therapy to deal with what must have been a very dysfunctional and unhappy upbringing. All the money in the world doesn't make it better when your family sucks.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:41 AM
Response to Reply #35
80. They do have certain rights as consenting adults...
Too bad their dad and the fundamentalist nutjobs who pull his chain want to take everyone else's rights to make their own decisions about what do do with their own bodies away.

Hmmmm. I wonder if right-wing pharmacist crazies give THEM any shit over birth control prescriptions? Somehow, I doubt it.
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entanglement Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 11:11 AM
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38. Pictures please
Of course a video link would be better }(
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Jose Diablo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 11:31 AM
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42. Please, I've never seen Jenna's butt, is it good?
Can nobody post a link to her butt. I've heard so much about it, it must be prime Grade-A flesh.
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aint_no_life_nowhere Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 02:48 PM
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47. I think Bush's daughters are the only sane and refreshing thing
about the entire criminally insane family.
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Mutley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:01 PM
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51. I'd say theres nothing wrong with Jenna doing the Butt Dance
but we all know if it were a well known Democrat's daughter behaving this way they'd be all over it.
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:09 PM
Response to Reply #51
54. I'd be all over it!
Woo hoo!
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Vinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:19 PM
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58. I heard somewhere they're auctioning off the tape, so we're sure
to see Jenna's butt whether we want to or not.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 08:37 AM
Response to Reply #58
90. Mmmmm, butts
oh, who said that?
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marions ghost Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:24 PM
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60. classy....!
and if teaching doesn't go so well, she can always work the clubs.

I admit to getting a kick out of the 'rents dismay at their
bad girl. You know they are cringing at what will be made of this.
"Daughter of Chimp Displays Butt." Damage control time.
Go Jenna. :evilgrin:
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 03:33 PM
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62. When the cats are out of town at state funerals, the mice
will play. :rofl:

They really are angry with Ma and Pa Kettle aren't they? My stepdaughter in her bratty youth used to do things like this to her dad, making sure the reports got back to him through gossip mill to get even with him for marrying me. (She's over that now and we get along fine.) She never went as far though to publically humiliate him in front of his peers like these girls.

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redherring Donating Member (214 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Apr-08-05 04:21 PM
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66. Yes, Eliott in the Morning of DC101 was discussing
it yesterday. Supposedly the video will soon be made public.
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d_b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:01 AM
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71. I hope that 'butt dance'
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 05:05 AM by d_b
turned into spring break skank video. Watch Jenna Bush get tossed up by Snoop and the Dogg Pound for only $19.99.
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:08 AM
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72. I think it's funny -
the same as it was funny when Cheney said "Fuck You" on the Senate floor, and when Bush gave the "one finger victory salute" during his Gubernatorial campaign.

It cracks me up when Republicans cut loose, and use profanity and shake their asses. I see Jenna's behavior as nothing more that the zany antics of a partying college kid. It's not a sentinel event. It's comical.
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ikojo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 08:55 AM
Response to Reply #72
94. Jenna is in her 20s, she is not a KID.
She is also no longer in college, having graduated last year.

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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:35 PM
Response to Reply #94
148. Oh pardon me!!
Yeesh!
I guess she has made the transition from youth to geezer-hood, what with having GRADUATED FROM COLLEGE LAST YEAR and all!

She may as well trade in her thong for orthopedic shoes and a walker. She's all washed up, the old bag. She's in her twenties after all, she's practically Methuselah!

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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 02:54 AM
Response to Reply #148
156. How about ADULT-hood???
Is that too much to ask?

I guess it is.

Bake
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Vektor Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:11 AM
Response to Reply #156
159. How about getting over it?
Edited on Sun Apr-10-05 03:21 AM by Vektor
It's not worth getting in a huff over Jenna's butt dance. If "ADULT-hood" means that you have to become a raging uptight stiff, then maybe it's not all it's cracked up to be.

Consider lightening up.

Is THAT too much to ask?

A butt dance isn't all that bad. It's just silliness. No one is going to die from it.


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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:35 AM
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79. "Bush Girls Gone Wild- Spring Break!"
Shit, where's Snoop Dogg when you need him?
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Kansas Wyatt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:31 AM
Response to Reply #79
102. I've often wondered how many Self Righteous Republicans
Buy those videos, and end up seeing their daughters in them.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 12:48 PM
Response to Reply #102
112. After reading many posts on this thread.....
...I'm wondering how many self-righteous Democrats buy those tapes.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 03:03 PM
Response to Reply #112
124. No, I prefer real porn. nt
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 04:23 PM
Response to Reply #124
133. Great answer.
:evilgrin:
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solinvictus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:51 PM
Response to Reply #102
140. And, don't forget, whack off watching it..
the Repukes are sickos, you know.
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Balbus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:20 AM
Response to Reply #79
160. I check every one of them to make sure that my daughter...
doesn't show up in one of these types of videos!

Wait... I don't have a daughter. :P
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:55 AM
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82. The most disturbing aspect of this story, as reported by the NY Post:
http://www.nypost.com/gossip/44048.htm


The president's blond daughter arrived at NerveAna, a '90s-themed lounge on Varick Street, at 10:30 p.m. last Friday with several other pretty young things in a battered old blue minivan. Sources said it was Jenna's third visit to the club, which features replicas of Monica Lewinsky's blue dress and O.J. Simpson's white Bronco.


"NerveAna"... a "'90s-themed lounge".

Jesus fucking Christ. Catch me if I'm wrong, but weren't "the '90s", like, last week?

Somebody come embalm my ass, already.
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shadowknows69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 07:14 AM
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85. sorry
5 freakin years ago my friend. remind me to explain to you my theory of time to age ratio theory of relativity someday. My hours are only actually 43 1/2 minutes anymore and you can do the math from there.:hippie:


Yeah, smokin the chronic this morning....so sue me.
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Silverhair Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 08:40 AM
Response to Reply #85
92. That theory has been tested and seems to be valid.
I remember reading about it some years ago.

While the time measured by the clock doesn't change, the subjective experience of it does.
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SheepyMcSheepster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:47 AM
Response to Reply #85
104. time to age ratio?
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 11:48 AM by SheepyMcSheepster
my brother pointed this out to me a bit ago, i found it very insightful:

he said the reason that time seems to pass so slowly as a child and then seems to pass very quickly as an adult is because it is because you are comparing the amount of passed time to the entire time that you have been alive.

to a child that has only lived 5 years, an hour is a much greater fraction of that child's entire life time so it is experienced as being "longer", conversely an hour to a 60 year is a much smaller portion of their entire life so it is experienced as much "shorter".

is this what your time to age ratio theory is?

i would really like to see a an equation that can lay this out if you have it. i am not so inclined to work through things mathematically.

thanks!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 03:05 PM
Response to Reply #85
125. I think you're right.
I also have to imagine that Kurt Cobain would be rolling in his grave over a trendy '90s "nostalgia" club called "NerveAna". :crazy:
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thecorster Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 07:08 AM
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84. self delete
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 07:13 AM by thecorster
found what I was looking for
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 07:59 AM
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87. Here's "Laura Bush's Parents Guide to Raising Harlots" Picture


Enjoy :D
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RPM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 09:05 AM
Response to Reply #87
96. those arent the bush gilrs in that pic, are they
i think i saw that pic floating around the net someplace a long time ago...
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 09:11 AM
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97. I don't know. The fact that we don't know for sure says enough I think
It's a silly, but I find very funny, look at our system of double-standards/hypocrisy in this country - nothing more, nothing less.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 03:10 PM
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126. I'm not one to stick up for members of the Bush family...
but I can say with 100% certainty that those are NOT the Bush twins. Either of 'em. I remember seeing that exact same picture circulating in joke emails in the mid to late 90s, so agewise those girls couldn't be them- not to mention the fact that during the Clinton administration there wouldn't be much motivation to anonymously circulate a picture of the daughters of the then-Gov. of Texas...

That is not Bush Bush in the photo.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 03:18 PM
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127. Oh, well, it still doesn't matter to me - not relevant to me.
Spawn of the Devil to me...
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Caretha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 08:39 AM
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91. I'm a Liberal and the mother of 2 young women
and if my daughters went to a club, got drunk, then got down on all fours and "butt danced" (whether with a married or unmarried man), I'd be totally appalled. I don't care what the rest of the "liberal" world thinks. Nor do I believe that everything is "okey do-key" just because I'm a liberal. I also would be appalled if Chelsea Clinton had behaved this way.

I guess I'm just old fashioned? In my youth...I'm sure I wasn't always decorous, but I'm pretty sure I didn't act like a whore in public. I'm from Texas and was taught that being a "lady" was important and tried to impress on my daughters the same principal.

This has nothing to do with religion IMO. This has to do with self-respect.

Jenna has serious "sexual issues" and it speaks volumes about Laura & George's real values. If this was a different family member, other than their own child, I wouldn't point the finger at them. But they raised her and this behavior reflects some sad sad gaping holes in this young woman's psyche.

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thecorster Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:37 AM
Response to Reply #91
103. great post.
it certainly does speak to their parenting... obviously daddy was out drinking and politicking too much to discipline the girls.
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mattclearing Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 12:42 PM
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107. Nonsense.
You can't hold parents accountable for everything their children do.

Many incredible people come from broken homes and vice versa.

You can't take one event out of context to come up with "bad parenting."

Nurture isn't as big of a factor in the behavior of offspring as you seem to be implying, and doing "the butt dance" is not evidence of poor parenting.

No one accuses Britney Spears or Lindsay Lohan of having bad parents because of the way they act in public. Or Paris Hilton?

This whole thread is evidence of partisan-tinted glasses at their worst.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 04:24 PM
Response to Reply #107
135. Britney Spears and Lindsay Lohan
are dream children- they are exactly what our celebrity worshipping, vapid, can't-tell-shit-from-shinola culture aspires to produce... highly marketable and very profitable brand names.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 04:22 PM
Response to Reply #91
131. Consenting adults
Would I be appalled if my daughters did something like this? If I had 22 year old daughters like the Bush twins, I'd probably be appalled just by whatever they had in the CD player of their car- not because of shockingly bad language, but more because of shockingly bad MUSIC.

That said, they are adults... and I happen to believe consenting adults have the right to do what they want with their own bodies. If that means getting drunk and doing "da butt" dance in some club, hey- as long as they don't drive, they're not breaking the law.

Again, It's not whether I think it's "moral" or not- it's not any of my business what they choose to do with their bodies or how their sex lives are. So how do I square that with the fact that I think this story is newsworthy from a republican hypocrisy standpoint? Because, as has been pointed out, their dad is the head of a party that seeks to make, among other things, the birth control pill illegal. A party That LIVES to micro-manage the private behaviors of consenting adults and take the right of sexual self-control away from young women. Therefore, the hypocritical "values" behavior of the first family is relevant, just like it's relevant when memebers of the Bush family are caught (like Nicole) doing coke- (or drug fiends like Rush Limbaugh get a slap on the wrist) because there are still millions of non-violent drug offenders in this country in prison under crazy draconian anti-drug laws.. people who don't have right-wing radio shows or the last name "Bush".
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tabasco Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 11:49 AM
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105. Have some pity! How would you like to have those parents?
I hope the girls overcome the poor upbringing and become decent people. The parents are both unindicted murderers. I'm sure the girls have suffered, despite the family wealth.

It is difficult for people like the Bush daughters to develop character. Their parents have none and their lifestyle does not require work. I see many children of wealth develop serious character flaws because they do not deal with real world pressures. It takes good parents to make rich kids "real people." The Bush girls have terrible parents.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 12:46 PM
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110. I think it is so nice
that DU'ers care about Jenna and Barbara, I really do; but you have got to wake up. I know this is a very strong position and many will disagree, but anything that we (you know, the opposition) can use to destroy the reputation of the Bush cartel is a Good Thing and should be used as often as usefully possible.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #110
113. Yep...abandon all principles.
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 12:51 PM by tx_dem41
:eyes:

Funny, I thought that's what we accused Republicans of doing. You seem to want us to be just like them.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 12:54 PM
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114. Principles?! How about "don't bring a knife to a gun fight"?!
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 12:58 PM by mac56
After what they did to Chelsea with much less justification, we'd be fools to let this go by.

Foolishness is not a principle. Standing up for your own side is.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 12:58 PM
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115. No...not only would we not be fools, we would also not be hypocrites...
and we would not be behaving like Republicans. But, go ahead, feel free to behave just like the people you dislike.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 01:00 PM
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116. Good for you. Be nice to the schoolyard bullies, why dont'cha.
Maybe they won't take ALL your lunch money this time.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 01:03 PM
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117. They never have taken a penny.....
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 01:03 PM by tx_dem41
that's because I'm strong enough to stick to my principles. I don't run away from them at the slightest provocation. That would be cowardice, and bullies thrive on a person's cowardice and lack of intestinal fortitude.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 01:05 PM
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119. I guess you're just a better person than I am.
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 01:10 PM by mac56
:eyes:

Oh...and in case you didn't notice, I'm advocating ENGAGING the bullies, not running away from them, or appeasing them on high moral grounds.
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 01:11 PM
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121. Some people advocate running away from their principles.
Those principles can be big, scary things sometimes.
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mac56 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 01:15 PM
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122. a quote for you
From William Raspberry:

"I would never ask that you abandon your principles, or your commitment to stand up for what you believe. But I do ask you to abandon the arrogance that says you are the only one with principles, the only one with beliefs worth standing up for."
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tx_dem41 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 01:37 PM
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123. Duly noted.
I just want to be a member of a party that actually has principles.
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thebigidea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 01:49 AM
Response to Reply #123
154. such a shame that they're subjective, eh?
otherwise we could appoint you Lord High Keeper of Principles for all of us.

then perhaps you could dictate morals and ethics for people you've never met next!
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 04:04 PM
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129. Unless your principles involve covering up the truth
the truth being that the daughter of the president's (the same president whose party wants to make it legal for pharmacists to lecture women instead of filling their birth control prescriptions.) ass was apparently caught shakin' on film, I don't see what the problem here is.

It's not our job to decide that this should be underplayed-- in graphic contrast to what would undoubtedly happen if this had been Chelsea in 1995 as opposed to Jenna in 2005.

No, that blatant one-sided "different rules apply to Republicans" crap is the media's job, and I have no doubt that they will handle it with the same exacting professionalism they always display.
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Book Lover Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 01:05 PM
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118. Then don't you do it
I'm not here to discuss purity of Democratic Party principles. I'm here because the Republican Party is beating the shit out of the Democratic Party, and as a big and small "d" Democrat, I want the opposition defeated. I want a Republican Party that can't draw 10,000 to a national convention and I want justice delivered to the criminals in the White House. To get back to the original post, if it is true that Jenna Bush did yet another embarrassing and immature thing in public, I say that our team ought to say something about it as often as is useful.
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karynnj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:52 PM
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141. The kids don't really matter much in choosing who to vote for.
Edited on Sat Apr-09-05 05:53 PM by karynnj
Imagine that the kids were switched and Bush had the talented, articulate Kerry kids, while Kerry tried to keep the Bush kids in line. Wouldn't you still vote for Kerry over Bush?

That said, not taking any chances, the press before the election tried to clean up the twins' reputations by printing the Republican story that Jenna was going to teach in Harlem and Barbara was going to Africa to help kids with AIDS. (Jenna never applied and Barbara is not going.) These stories, oddly enough came out when Kerry's daughters were getting a huge amount of praise after the Democratic convention.

A Republican friend commented to me that she was incredibly impressed by the Kerry girls, especially Vanessa. She felt Bush's girls were brats. She said that this made her think better of Kerry - especially as she felt that when the girls talked about values they chose to emphasize the same things their dad did - mainly telling the truth and about helping others who were not as fortunate as they. She didn't vote for him, but had said that this more than anything would have made her comfortable with a Kerry Presidency.

I doubt many people voted based on the kids and many people realize that Bush is a phony, but they prefer those policies. The real reward in having done the hard work in raising good kids comes in having their love and seeing them grow into people you would want to be around even if they weren't your kids. Seeing Kerry's two girls talking about the election and their dad a few weeks after the election was sad but also nice as it was clear that they had an enormous amount of respect and love for him. At rallies where they spoke, Kerry's face watching them showed his pride and love. Although, having good kids wasn't enough to win, I would be willing to bet that those girls and his step sons will bring Teresa and him more joy than the twins bring Bush. It's too bad that 60,000 people in Ohio weren't swayed.
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BreweryYardRat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 01:08 PM
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120. My comment is here...
I'm too lazy to transfer my livejournal post.

http://www.livejournal.com/users/seawolf10/
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bluedog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:47 PM
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139. a few questions
is she the one that was suppose to teach?..if not why don't these two have jobs or why are they not in the service?........2nd...do you think the secret service protecting them are young men..who may be tapping on them?
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BamaLefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Apr-09-05 05:54 PM
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142. Who Told Ya First??? BAMALEFTY!!!
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jbnow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:04 AM
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149. The sad part
is the episodes of bad judgment in public behavior might be a reflection of a bit of inheritance from daddy.
Not to start a rumor that she is an alcoholic, but drinking problems have a genetic component and is a hard row to hoe.

Many kids (and adults) have very bad judgment when they drink...but by their twenties can usually get a grip on how much to drink when. Hope she is just a slow learner.
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FM Arouet666 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:32 AM
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150. Perhaps you should have titled your post as "Jenna's Bush"
Just a thought.
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DeaconBlues Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 12:57 AM
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151. Have no fear people
The twins will probably have a religious conversion in a decade or so. That way they can spend the rest of their lives passing judgments on others, just like their papa.
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Bake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 03:02 AM
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157. This is a fucking WAR, what part of that don't you understand????
This is just one small example of the rampant hypocrisy that happens EVERY SINGLE DAY with Pukes!! Family values? Doing the "butt dance" with a married man? (a) I'd bet she didn't even know his fucking NAME, much less whether he was married!

Sad but true, everybody else can go to a club and do whatever. When you're the daughter of the fucking POTUS, expect different treatment. And if you fuck up, well, you fucked up!! DEAL WITH IT.

Jenna fucked up. Big surprise there! Family values in action. The morals voters will be so pleased. She's a public figure, whether she (or some of you) like it or not.

This is a WAR. We take what we can get.

Bake
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allhislife Donating Member (13 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Apr-10-05 05:04 AM
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161. y do u wanna know?
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