So, all the NeoCons I know are feeling gleefully vindicated (feul prices)

[dolo amber]

"If this war was only about us getting their oil, then why are gas prices higher than they've ever been??!" *hoot* *holler* *shoot guns into the air ala Yosimite Sam*

:banghead:

You can NOT explain subtle details to idiots. Consider this your daily Public Service Announcement. :eyes:

[coloradodem2005]

1. Ok.

I hope they go broke driving their Hummers around.

[Elidor]

2. That's just it: I wish it WAS about oil!

Because THEN we would have fought this fucking invasion for SOMETHING! So what the fuck did we do this for again? To topple a statue?!? To tie our army down? To piss away over $200 billion? To bring peace to the Middle East? They point to their failures as proof of their benign intentions! Aaaaagh! :banghead:

[Jose Diablo]

24. No, the target is us

Iraq is a bottomless money pit and a way to divert money. Ultimately, we here in the USA are the neocon's and Bu$h's targets.

[norml]

3. Look at this thread, and tell them "War Makes Gas Cost More".

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3435560

[Inland]

4. Because they fucked it up.

War meant to steal oil, at least to the extent of forcing Iraq to pay us for the honor of occupation, but we fucked it up. Iraq is a net oil negative, by far, thanks to the fact we can't stabilize the country long enough to pump it to the refinery and out to port or pipeline.

[htuttle]

5. The Neocons aren't just imperialists...

...they are incompetent imperialists.

They couldn't even pull off a coup in Latin America, for god's sake.

Lame-o's!

[Old and In the Way]

7. Or maybe, the oil in Iraq was meant to be kept off the market.

Sure makes that Saudi Oil worth a hell of a lot more....

[norml]

21. "Sure makes that Saudi Oil worth a hell of a lot more"

You are one of the few people to get this. Please check out some of the threads I've posted lately on this subject.

[norml]

6. One of the main reasons for the war was to take Iraq's oil off the market.

Iraq has the second largest reserves of oil in the world, Iran has the fourth largest. Iraq was pumping too much oil in the 90s, driving prices down. Something had to be done about it, for the sake of the oil industry, and for the sake of it's investors. http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3454945

[Old and In the Way]

11. Ironic, isn't it?

15/19 alledged hi-jackers are Saudi's and we punish them by:

(1) taking out their #1 secular threat, Saddam Hussein.
(2) Make their oil accounts a lot healthier.
(3) Exit airbases in their country.

I hope they don't attack us again...maybe this administraion would ratchet the payback by giving them the keys to the White House or ceding Haiwaii to them.

[thebigidea]

8. as if the neocons were going to pass the savings on to Yosemite Sams

"control of oil resources" doesn't exactly translate into "cheap gas for some guy in his boxers."

but try telling that to the hypothetical guy!

incidentally, I can't see that sig pic with suddenly thinking "mmm, blue chemotherapy wig welcome."

that is all.

[dweller]

9. A feul and his $ are soon parted.

:D

just adding fuel to the fire...
dp

[LynnTheDem]

10. 1. Because the rebels in Iraq are smarter than the neocons, and keep

BLOWING UP the oil pipelines.

2. Because there's no way in bloody hell the oil companies ever planned on passing down the savings to us mere end-users anyways.

3. Because NO ONE EVER said it was about getting cheaper oil; it was to PREVENT OTHERS (China in particular) from getting any of the oil and cutting the US out.

4. DUHHHHHHH!

Neocons; stupidest MFers on the planet, right next to the rightwingnuts.

[Old and In the Way]

13. Do we really know that rebels are blowing up the pipelines?

I thought so too for awhile, but now I wonder....

[w4rma]

14. Yes. They are blowing up the pipelines. It's really excellent strategy on

their parts. And it should have been obvious to *any* military strategist that this would be their strategy.

[LynnTheDem]

17. Oh yeah they sure are. Daily.

They know exactly what bushCartel want from Iraq. Unlike half of America, the Iraqis are not stupid.

There's photos and day by day lists of attacks somewhere on the ICCC.

[Old and In the Way]

18. Iraqi nationals or Al-Qaeda?

Or Iranians? Or Sunni's? I don't really know. Maybe....maybe not. I can understand the logic, if one thinks it will drive out the Americans. But what if we really don't care? What if the end result is a strategic good thing for US Oil interests?

Why aren't pipelines getting blown up elsewhere? Seems to me that the point could really be driven home if Islamic fundies started taking down a few Saudi pipelines....but I haven't seen any other infrastructure get destroyed. Why would the Iraqi's take down their only source of revenue?

[LynnTheDem]

22. There's been attacks on the Saudi lines, too. What revenue for Iraqis???

They're not seeing the revenues since bushCartel invaded. Halliburton is, but not the Iraqis.

Here's the Iraq attacks;

http://www.iags.org/iraqpipelinewatch.htm

[Old and In the Way]

23. I wasn't aware that the Saudi pipelines are being hit.

I do agree that Halliburton is making big money fixing the infrastructure so it can get blown up again. I just wonder if it is in the Iraqi's interests to shutdown their primary source of revenue?

Blowing up the pipelines-

(1) Makes profits for Halliburton
(2) justifys the US presence
(3) takes the #2 reserves off the market, increasing profits for Big Oil while constraining China/Europe's ability to get product.
(4) Keeps Iraq dependent on the US

Early on I assumed the Iraqis were doing it to pressure the US to exit Iraq, thinking what would justify our continued presence if we couldn't reap the oil profits? Now, I just wonder if this situation isn't the outcome that the House of Saud-Bush really desire? Just pure speculation on my part, because I can see justifications for both perspectives.

[norml]

20. Yes they really are blowing up the pipelines, they will continue to do so.

Continued instability will be used to justify continued occupation. Right wing media whores no longer brag that oil production is back to pre-war levels in Iraq. That brag was a deception in itself, because just before the invasion, Iraq's oil production was down to less than half of what it was in the late 90s under the Oil for Food program. The first Month of the invasion Iraq was gotten back into OPEC, so that even if it's full production capability was restored, OPEC would still limit what oil Iraq could produce.

[w4rma]

12. When the Iraqis keep blowing up the pipeline every time they fix the last

part of it that was blown up you can expect that there isn't going to be any oil coming through that pipeline to ships heading for the U.S.

The same goes for Afghanistan also, probably.

[BuyingThyme]

15. Two points for a dumbed-down America::

1. The people who led the invasion of Iraq were not doing it for the people of the United States. As Scott Ritter says, they are "parasites."

2. Nobody in the oil business -- from Haliburton to Exxon -- has ever done a thing to bring down the cost of oil. Back when the oil prices were low, and you pumped your tank full of gas, did you try to pay more than the asking price?

[Swede]

16. I seem to remember a lot of predictions of high oil prices if Bush won.

How soon they forget.

[ConsAreLiars]

19. So those morons actually 'think' that we are claiming that the

invasion was intended to help them/us in any way? What fools! It was intended to gain control and establish corporate monopoly power, not to bring down prices. Geez! Some stupidity just cannot be surpassed.

Next they'll be arguing that the tax breaks for the top 1% are intended to help the other 99% - oh, wait, they already did that. Every time I ask "How fucking stupid can they be?" they come up with a new answer.

(edit: missing words should not be missing)