DAMN these campus fundies

[Bucky__Badger]

I'm at a medium-sized midwestern state university with a very sizeable population of Campus Crusade for Christ members (fundies) in the student body. They have massive meetings and recruit very aggressively.

Anyway on my way home yesterday I heard two of them discussing how they needed to mobilize to either pull down all of the College Democrats posters that have been popping up on campus before they "led students away from the Lord," or else cover them with Crusade posters. I didn't bother to stop and challenge them, or tell them that pulling down the posters was actually illegal and guess what? Today almost all of the posters are gone or covered up.

What is it with these people? If they're sooooo sure they are right, why are they so TERRIFIED of anyone hearing a view other than theirs? And why is it that my church (Lutheran) can't get more than two or three students to come to services, yet Crusade pulls in hundreds every week?

OK, done ranting.

[maggrwaggr]

1. Bucky Badger?! haven't heard that since I lived in Whitewater!

Are you in Whitewater?

Sorry, just had to ask.

As far as your post, well you can find your answer in the Bible. I used to be quite the little jesus freak, back in the early 70's. The Bible says you are obligated as a Christian to spread the word to the uninformed. You are also supposed to have fellowship with those in need of enlightenment UNTIL you realize they're not gonna go your way, then you're supposed to shun them.

It's all in the Bible.

[Bucky__Badger]

5. nope. La Crosse. (NM)

x

[Starpass]

12. Use to be Platteville

Now 58 and in Maine----that was years ago, son.

[Starpass]

17. oh, p.s., I'm a Lutheran too

and I know what you mean-----these churches do not use the pulpit to promote religion. These fundies are all about politics and use "religion" as the smoke and mirrors to preach their hate. The thing that blows my mind is where in the hell are the college kids I went to school with in the 60's. I've never seen such up tight, assholes with narrow little minds in my life. God, don't they teach anything but business these days???????

[BiggJawn]

46. Ain't that the truth?

I have 6 student workers in my shop. 1 is apolitical, and the rest claim to be Republicans.

As far as I can tell, it's because they like all the jokes they heard growing up about Bill Clinton, and they think that as wet-behind-the-ears MBA or BBA holders that they will get a place at the "trough" along with the big playahs...

That's ALL they teach these days, "how to get RICH" (so you can come back in 20 years and lay a big megabuck endowment on yer dear ol' Alma Mater) and the running joke is "what does a BA holder say to a BS holder? 'Would you like fries with that?'..."

Arts and Humanities are down-played these days. it's considered a disgrace to the family to have a kid who's studying the Arts instead of Business.

And that's exactly why the ReTHUGs have such an easy time brainwashing the young. sure, they got their fancy licenses to make money, but as far as analysis and using their brains for anything except making their masters a LOT of moola, they're pretty stupid.

[Kool Kitty]

29. My husband just got back from visiting his Dad in

Lancaster. He brought back a little stuffed "Bucky Badger" doll. He's a Wisconsin alum, too, Platteville.

[wuushew]

8. I live in Whitewater currently

There are two major religious events of the year

(A)The guys who pass out little green bibles on every corner so you can't evade them.

(B)The crazy preacher who denouces gays, abortion and modern lifestyles, and who gets water ballons thrown at him.


I have no problem with large Christian groups as long as they don't bother me.

[TLM]

19. I found the very best way to get these guys to leave you alone...

When they hand me the little green bible, I take it and lauch a massive loogie into it and say thank you... I needed a new hanky.

[MikeH]

22. Bless You!

[Barad Simith]

20. "It's all in the Bible"

And how do they prove the Bible is trustworthy? With a Bible verse.

Reminds me of toddlers who think that if they can't see you, then you can't see them.

[MurrayDelph]

24. I thought that was the Ravenous Bug-Bladder Beasts of Traal

(do you know where YOUR towel is?)

[Barad Simith]

26. no, they were even dumber

You should put a towel over your head when you see one of the Ravenous Bug-Bladder Beasts of Traal, because they think that if you can't see them, then they can't see you.

[JHB]

37. Right! This is too silly!

You're mixing Python with the Hitchhiker's Guide :silly:

[Barad Simith]

43. No, actually, I've got it just right:

Here's the quote from chapter 3:

The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy has a few things to say on the subject of towels.

A towel, it says, is about the most massively useful thing an interstellar hitchhiker can have. Partly it has great practical value. You can wrap it around you for warmth as you bound across the cold moons of Jaglan Beta; you can lie on it on the brilliant marble-sanded beaches of Santaginus V, inhaling the beady sea vapors; you can sleep under it beneath the stars which shine so redly on the desert world of Kakrafoon; use it to sail a miniraft down the heavy River Moth; wet it for use in hand-to-hand combat; wrap it round your head to ward off noxious fumes or avoid the gaze of the Ravenous Bugbladder Beast of Traal (a mind-bogglingly stupid animal, it assumes that if you can't see it, it can't see you - daft as a brush, but very very ravenous); you can wave your towel in emergencies as a distress signal, and of course dry yourself off with it if it still seems clean enough.

[JHB]

44. Sorry sorry sorry sorry

Confused it with the legendary Black Beast of Aaauugh!

[Barad Simith]

48. Any friend of both Douglas Adams and Monty Python...

...is a friend of mine.

[Clark Can WIN]

28. My bible says to love your enemy and your neighbor

as yourself. Which means you don't go pulling his poster down just because he's a Democrat.

[Iris]

2. You should alert the College Democrats

about what's happening to their posters.

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. that is why it is called a cult

and yes what they did is ilegal... I woudl go up to the administration
and bring it up to their attention.

[Brucey]

4. Two of my observational rants:

At my college we don't even have a Democrat club... only repugs and christians. Second, these are the same people who go on and on about free will, a person can do anything they want, blah, blah, blah, but then they're scared to death that someone will be robotically misled by a poster. I wish they would make up their minds: Do people have "free" will, or are minds influenced by situations.

[StopTheMorans]

9. you used the word "Democrat"

wrong. "Democratic Club" would be correct. A Democrat is a member of the party, but when they have an event, a primary, a club, etc... it is "Democratic" club (similar to why you wouldn't call Republicans who joined a club a "Republic" club). the right has been trying to bastardize the difference by using it this way, don't get caught up in it:)

[Character Assassin]

6. Make up a bunch of posters for a campus bible burning

We used to do that at U of Oregon.

Real attention getter, a campus bible burning.

[mkregel]

10. HA HA I Attended one of those

Back in my Evangelical Athiest days while at Oregon State Univ (yes...I'm a beaver...please don't throw things at me)

As for the Lutherans, Methodists and Presbeteryans not pulling in the numbers - they don't play hate games and theyre not cults. The fundies ARE a cult - my brother was seduced by their lies, and I went to one of their schools (if you want to call it that) in Junior High.

Fundie Churches don't deserve tax exempt status of any kind in my opinion.

[displacedtexan]

7. easy answer to your question

you and your fellow lutherans have lives...
and you live your creed.
big difference between you and the fundies.
big. huge.

[rucky]

11. Try being a Jew at SMU

Southern Methodist University, that is. I still think Campus Crusade was offering a Hawaiian vacation for the person who could convert me.

This is during gulf war I - while other colleges were holding protests, we had a rally to support the president.

On top of that, Bush Sr. keynoted at my graduation (with an inspirational campaign speech). They oversold the auditorium to the republican party, and my family had to watch from a CCTV.

[Barad Simith]

13. Since "their god" is an evil...

...bastard who doles out infinite punishment for finite 'crimes,' they're convinced that you and I are going to hell forever if we don't accept Jesus.

It's that simple. Don't try to dig too deeply. Fundies are two-dimensional clones who worship a fearsome master. They will stop at nothing to try to save the 99% of the population that their hell-god plans to torture for eternity. They're insane. All you can do is ignore them, and call the police when you see them committing crimes-for-Christ.

I used to be one, by the way, so I know what I'm talking about. Used to be a Republican, too. Sometimes they (we) change.

[StopTheMorans]

15. "crimes-for-Christ"

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[JHB]

39. It's God as 'The Hulk'.

"God is strongest one there is! Worship God or GOD SMASH! (for eternity)".

That's what I find most disturbing about "that kind" of funadgelical Protestant: when you boil it all down, it's about worshipping power, and where's the morality in that?

[Liberator_Rev]

52. Glad you made it, RegularBrad and welcome to DU !

Check out http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/ and let us know what you think.

[Liberator_Rev]

53. Dupe.

[zonmoy]

54. in my case

Growing up with such a monster god has made me think that all gods must be the same evil god.

[JVS]

14. Because the Lutheran church is not easy to take part in. CCC is easy.

When I was about 12 I realized why my grandmother didn't like coming to our ELCA christmas ceremony, it was too hard. She'd get lost in the hymnal trying to figure out the structure of the mass, not to mention which setting, sermons were never dumbed down, it was expected that every adult listening to it would know their catechism and have been through confirmation. Let's face it, we belong to a rather bookish church. Books are hard and people don't like hard.

[Liberator_Rev]

16. Rant and Rave all you want. THEY WORK !

I dislike Fundies INTENSELY. But they are beating us Liberals where it counts most, at the polls, and they will continue to do so for the forseeable future, because they WORK a hell of a lot harder at promoting their beliefs than WE DO, and their efforts pay off ACCORDINGLY.

On the other hand, if I so much as promote

at http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org .
the whole idea of which is to promote the idea that people who are SERIOUS about following Christ should be LIBERALS and Democrats, instead of JOINING and encouraging the effort, some short-sighted Liberals around here complain and try to shut me up!

[Starpass]

18. Rev---keep up the good work

I've complained for years that mainstream religion is just sitting there and letting these evil (and I do think they are cult evil to the core) take over religion as they have taken over the flag. Their's is not just another interpretation of the Bible. They have made Christ the advocator of hate and violence. I think they would be more correct and honest, if they wore their cross "upside down". I think I know what Rosemary's baby grew up to be---a fundie.

[rucky]

21. No complaints here!

cool site!... i'm shipping off the link to my fundie inlaws!

[Liberator_Rev]

50. Thanks Starpass & Rucky.

If only there were millions like you demanding that Conservatives think twice about what Jesus would say and do about U.S. Politics, and face the fact that he was a LIBERAL, if ever there was one!

[BushHasGotToGo]

23. Pulling down the posters is not illegal

Its might be against school rules, but its not a violation of law neccessarily.

[Walt Starr]

33. Vandalism

Plain and simple. I know of no municipality in the nation that does not make vandalism a crime.

[theemu]

25. CCC

We've got a chapter of the CCC at Dartmouth, as well as the Pavilion, a very well-known Kosher/Halal dining hall. The lead article from the Jack-O-Lantern Humor Magazine a few months back was

"Campus Crusade for Christ captures the Pavilion"

[Clark Can WIN]

27. Are any of the posters someplace where you

can organize a stake-out and get them on film doing this? Would be a good story for the campus paper.

Also, who is in charge, the head fundie? Call and ask them if they are aware of this latest activity. Ask them if they are against free speech. Tell them if they do not remedy the situation you will make a lot of noise about the issue and lodge formal complaints, casting them in a negative light.

[Brian Sweat]

35. Yes, an excellent idea.

Video tape them doing "the Lords work." Take still photographs. Show the world just how "Christian" they are.

[uptohere]

30. not sure that you'll accept this but here goes

kids tend to be passionate about things. Be it the object of their attraction(lust), music, sports, whathaveyou. This can sometimes lead them to be a little myoptic and very black and white in their thinking and decision-making. If they follow this model, they get drawn to the more extreme choices in their lives. Ergo the CCC vs conventional Christianity. Once you're in there, cult mentality can take hold or simple intolerance. Ergo the poster incident.

Hopefully the school gets them to realize that grey exists at some point. This is pretty hit and miss. They do eventually get it and develope a multifaceted mind and get on with life.

Sounds like you are one of the ones a few strides ahead of your classmates. I wish you well.

[Resistance Is Futile]

31. Time to get dirty

Make modified copies of the CCC's recruiting posters except with all the easily-modified contact information (i.e. phone numbers) changed to those of local brothels or crack houses. Progressively replace the CCC's real posters with the <ahem> corrected ones.

This game can also be played in reverse. Print up some fake ad posters for products or services that fundies consider satanic and give the CCC's phone number as a contact. The advantage of doing things this way is that the fake ads can be posted well off campus so the fundies will have no idea where calls for the "gay sex toys emporium" are coming from.

:evilgrin:

[Barad Simith]

32. great idea, and here's the right guy for the job...

http://www.cockeyed.com/pranks/pie/pie.html

[Liberator_Rev]

49. And THEN what?

The trouble with some tactics is that they cut both ways. What does our side do when they use the same tactics against us? And with much greater effect, if they outnumber us and if they have more money and/or energy to use those tactics against us?

I recommend that we use what THEY cannot use against us, i.e. REASON, in many instances THE LAW,
A N D CHRIST'S TEACHING. What if there were chapters of "Liberals Like Christ" to counter the C C C ?

http://www.LiberalsLikeChrist.Org/Christlike.



See what Christ might say about the C C C, the "Christian Coalition" & "Religious Right" imposters.

[veganwitch]

34. where do you go to school

i went to a small (2000+ population) private Lutheran (ELCA) in the midwest which was 50% catholic, "liberal" arts in name only, with a very active, inter-varsity (religious group) and pro-life organizations.

i dont know what it is about lutheran schools attracting fundies. there was this one girl on my floor my senior year (yes i lived on campus my senior year) who i dubbed fundie-girl. she would not take a women's studies class because that is a class "a democrat would take." she also had a "prayer list" that she updated every week and also ripped off the ACLU bumper sticker that was on the debate team's prop trunk.

im just glad im gone from that place.

[KCDem]

36. this thread reminds me of a South Park episode.

Actually, it's a 2-part episode. While preparing for their first communion, the boys (Cartman in particular) get wrapped up in the whole idea of hell and create their own church. Horribly irreverant, but funny, and they act very much like it sounds like the CCCers at your school are.

[playahata1]

45. That episode was on last night!

I never laughed so damn hard in my life!!!!

[MadHound]

38. Campus Fundies?! I love those folk!

Being an inquisitive lad in a college town, I was very much into comparitive theology and such while in my early teens(comes from one side of the family being Roman Catholic, the other Southern Baptist). I've read the Bible several times, plus the works of leading theologians. I used to wander down to campus when the campus fundie were doing their recruitment drives and engage them in a little theological debate. What fun! I'd wind up having four or five of these people standing around flipping through their Bibles in a vain effort to contradict me, then the grand finale, watching their heads explode from too much free thinking! Might have to go and do that again.

When they come to the door prostelytizing now, I generally tell them that I'm pagan. BAMM! Instant head explosion.

[zonmoy]

55. even better

tell them you are a maltheist, that you think god is evil.

[denverbill]

40. Write a letter to your campus paper.

Let people know exactly what you heard.

People have to know what these 'Christians' are up to.

[Brian Sweat]

41. Are these people associated with Brother Jed and Sister Suzy?

[JHB]

42. Stick other posters underneath the CD ones:

"Tearing down posters makes Baby Jesus cry!"

[Brian Sweat]

51. He, he, he.

I love it. You can use a picture of Ned Flanders kids from the Simpsons.

[_NorCal_D_]

57. You know,

that just might work!
B-)

[curlyred]

47. notify your local ACLU

as well as the Campus Dems. This is crap.

[Nikia]

56. My college Christian group was more tolerant

I don't remember any conservative political discussion or preaching. Any conservative "thou shalt not" type of speeches was aimed at how young adult Christians should behave, not condemning the student body in general. There were even a couple of gay students in it as well as Democrats and other liberals. When a Christian anti gay organization distributed propaganda on campus, the group wrote an editorial condemning their tactics and said that individual members have a variety of beliefs on homosexuality (whether it is sinful or not) but regardless it does no good to harass people. There were fun recruiting events. Many young adults think traditional religion is boring. Fun is a big recruitment tool.