You know why I'm leary about Clark?

[joeybee12]

Because Tim Russert kisses his butt!

I loathe Russert, and this makes me wonder.

Also, I don't like that he took so long to formally state he was a Dem.

[Dookus]

1. Plus

I hear he wears cologne. The bastard!

[HFishbine]

4. And

tha bagboy at Piggly Wiggly double bags ALL his gorceries. Disgusting!

[Kahuna]

45. LOL!

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[DoveTurnedHawk]

2. He's Been a Democrat for a Long Time

It's just that it was no one's business until he decided he was going to thrust himself into the public spotlight and run.

As for Russert, I really don't understand people who refuse to consider someone based on their supporters. Don't we want a candidate who can appeal to ALL Americans?

Clark has broad-based support, from the far left to the moderate right. That's one of his biggest selling points, IMO, his electability and his common sense, no-nonsense approach.

DTH

[Pastiche423]

5. Yes, we do want

candidate who can appeal to ALL Americans. And clark is not among the peaceseekers.

[Noordam]

13. Clark could be a good VP but to late for the top job

The first four years of a Democratic President run will be mainly economic.

We do not need a War President

[Terran]

33. I disagree

We have a small matter going on in Iraq, that will be very difficult to solve. I think a man with military/managerial experience such as Clark's *might* be needed to clean up the mess Bush has made.

I haven't jumped on Clark's bandwagon or anything, but I'm glad he's running. I'm still a Deanie.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

41. Clark ALSO Has a Masters in Econ from Oxford

And is a Rhodes scholar, and taught econ at West Point.

He is no Johnny-One-Note! :-)

Oh, and :hi: Dirk!

DTH

[Terran]

51. Hey DTH!

How ya been? I have escaped from the Mod's forum at last!

Dirk

[RetroLounge]

44. too late for the top job?? Don't think so.

Clinton announced October 1, 1991.

[rabid_nerd]

6. Not anyone's business?

OK. Fine.

But it is a flaw that he's not a proud enough Democrat to say so until forced to.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

It's Very Common for Officers

But I acknowledge that certain people might not like Clark's reticence on this matter. My hope is that they get over it once they actually listen to his positions.

DTH

[Bucky]

7. His "right" support

DTH wrote:
"Clark has broad-based support, from the far left to the moderate right"

Clark's rightist support will evaporate as soon as his policy positions become public record. If you're Dennis Kucinish he's not a liberal Democrat. But if you're Joe Lieberman, he is one.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

10. I Think Some of His "Right" Support Will Stick

Particularly his military/former military support. But YMMV.

DTH

[joeybee12]

You make it sound like one's party affiliation is like one's sexual pref!

Nobody's business, my ass.

Come on, how hard is it to say "I'm a Democrat!"

[dfong63]

49. great attitude there

He's Been a Democrat for a Long Time It's just that it was no one's business until he decided he was going to thrust himself into the public spotlight and run.

what a great attitude. it's "none of our business" until HE finally decides that HE wants to be the leader of the dem party. until HE finally decides HE wants US to support him. until HE finally makes up his mind.

that attitude is like a neighbor who won't greet you or give you the time of day, until the day when HE comes over to borrow your lawnmower. on that day, the day when HE wants something from US, we're supposed to immediately forget about his arrogant prick behavior, and fall to our knees in worship of this knight in shining armor. it's no wonder that he acquired the nickname "the perfumed prince".

[DoNotRefill]

3. I don't like that he paraphrased Heinrich Himmler on gun control....

without giving credit where it was due.

[mkregel]

11. Did a google and sure enough

"Germans who wish to use firearms should join the SS or the SA. Ordinary citizens don't need guns, as their having guns doesn't serve the State"
-- Heinrich Himmler

I do worry about gun control. As a 2nd Ammendment Liberal I support our right to bear arms and that was one of the things I like about Dean.

[Julien Sorel]

I think that somewhere on this board is a thread

where you haven't repeated this line. But I haven't found it yet.

[DoNotRefill]

23. Keep looking...

there are quite a few Clark threads where I haven't posted it. Do you need me to find you links?

BTW, I find it interesting that you don't deny the paraphrasing...so much for attacking the message instead of the messenger...

[Julien Sorel]

24. It's totally irrelevant.

Why should I bother denying it? It's actually embarrassing for you that you would post that thing on something like 5 different Clark threads, as if it has an impact on anything, as if anyone cares. The only reason I commented at all was because I kept seeing it over and over on thread after thread, and was sick of it.

[DoNotRefill]

30. I know...

the truth hurts.

Want somebody to virtually guarantee that the pro-RKBA crowd (at least several million registered voters) mobilizes against us? Clark's the guy...

Want somebody to make them stay at home? Dean's the guy...

[Julien Sorel]

34. Ahhhh, now I see.

Another Kool-aid drinker.


I'll just have to get over my wounds from the hurtful truth.

Until then, I think Dr. Dean whipped up a fresh batch of his sugary goodness, and he's calling you to down a few. Lucky guy you!

[Trajan]

36. "The High Road" strays from the Justice/Public Safety forum for a spell ?

Ill would like to ask some questions: ...

Given the different policies of each party regarding 'gun control' matters: ....

HOW many GOP members support absolute gun rights ? ....

How many GOP members support reasonable gun control measures ??? ...


Now:

HOW many Democratic Party members support absolute gun rights ? ....

How many Democratic Party members support reasonable gun control measures ??? ...


WHICH party did YOU choose to ally yourself with ? ....

Why ? ....

Was it one issue and one issue alone that made you choose a specific party over the other ? ... or was it a complex range of issues where you found common ground over the whole range, even if you didnt agree with EVERY aspect of party policy ???? ...

We in the Democratic party, ON THE WHOLE, support reasonable gun control measures .....

NOT every member: .. but most .....

Therefore: ... MOST democrats would support Clark's presumed stand on Second Amendment issues, your attempted slur notwithstanding ....

One might also say that ANYONE who wishes to fly a fighter jet should join the Air Force .... ANYONE who wishes to shoot torpedoes from submarines would do themselves right to join the Navy .... it doesnt follow that citizens should own fully armed submarines and fighter jets .... MANY good americans believe assault weapons to be too dangerous to be allowed in our society without SOME measure of control .... believe it or not ....

What Clark said was a no brainer: ... trying to smear him by associating his comments with Himmler, is the cheapest and most specious ad hominem attack ...

I suppose Himmler ate Knockwurst too: ... When I eat knockwurst, do I become a Nazi as well ??? ...

<edit: Grammar>

[DoNotRefill]

43. OK...

"HOW many GOP members support absolute gun rights ? ...."

I can think of two (Ron Paul springs to mind).

"How many GOP members support reasonable gun control measures ??? ..."

a fair number. Think McCain, Pataki, and their ilk.

"Now:

HOW many Democratic Party members support absolute gun rights ? ...."

Well, my US Congressman does a pretty good job of it. Dean's approach makes sense.

"How many Democratic Party members support reasonable gun control measures ??? ..."

Some...Some support UNREASONABLE gun control measures, and give the rest of us a bad name.

"WHICH party did YOU choose to ally yourself with ? ...."

The Democratic Party

"Why ? .... "

Because we're SUPPOSED to be the party that protects civil rights from Fascistic assholes.

"Was it one issue and one issue alone that made you choose a specific party over the other ? ... or was it a complex range of issues where you found common ground over the whole range, even if you didnt agree with EVERY aspect of party policy ???? ..."

I'm not strictly a one-issue voter. My 4 big issues are Abortion Rights, Second Amendment Rights, Drug War Rights (and the erosion of civil liberties that entails, and yes, I'm a "card-carrying ACLU member"), and Education Reform.

"We in the Democratic party, ON THE WHOLE, support reasonable gun control measures ....."

Horseshit. Democrats in the urban Northeast and California generally support gun control. LOTS of Democrats in the rest of the country DO NOT. Ask Maine Mary.

"I suppose Himmler ate Knockwurst too: ... When I eat knockwurst, do I become a Nazi as well ???"

It depends on if you're trampling on civil liberties and constitutionally protected rights while doing it, doesn't it...

[oasis]

8. Russert kisses his butt?? Care to clarify? You may have a different take.

[alonso_quijano]

9. We want someone who the media won't Gore

And if Randy Quaid--um, I mean Russert--is kissing his ass, he won't be assaulting him about made-up "lies."

[Lastgasp]

12. I'm leery about Clark, too . . .

If he wants my vote, Clark will have to start throwing criticism at the pathetic lunatic in the White House. That's what I want to hear.

[Dookus]

16. Then you should've heard his speech...

the other day nailing Bush for ignoring the terror threat prior to 9/11.

[ronzo]

18. He's been very critical of * to this point.

I have no reason to believe he'll change his tune starting tomorrow.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

22. START? Where Have You Been?

He has been unstinting and merciless in his criticism of Bush.

DTH

[GiovanniC]

26. From an AP story from last week...

In a half-hour speech to 1,000 cheering Democrats in heavily Republican East Tennessee, Clark said Bush has failed the country on health care, education and foreign policy.

"The No. 1 responsibility of the commander in chief is what? The safety and security of the United States of America," Clark said, questioning the administration's efforts to avoid the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

"What happened on 9-11, Mr. President? Why is it that eight months into your administration, why is it that there was no plan to deal with the number one threat that Bill Clinton's national security team warned you about when you took office?"

Clark charged the Bush administration with "obfuscation and slow investigations and memos and shenanigans and creating departments" in response to Sept. 11.

"Let's have some accountability, here," he said, recalling Harry Truman's credo that "The buck stops here."

Clark also challenged the president to explain the administration's strategy on the war in Iraq. "What is the intent, what is the plan, Mr. President? Because the commander in chief better have a plan and we haven't heard it yet."

Clark, 58, who headed the U.S. Southern Command and was NATO commander during the 1999 campaign in Kosovo, said his 34 years in the military taught him, "The highest calling of the armed forces is not to wage war, but to prevent war."

[Trajan]

37. You havent been listening ....

Clark has been all over Bush and the GOP like stink on ....

Er ... you know ....

[Kahuna]

46. Start? Where have you been?

:silly:

[Imalittleteapot]

14. It may be difficult for Russert not to show respect for

a 1st in his class at West Point, Rhodes Scholar, decorated 4 Star General.

All of our great Dem candidates deserve respect, but Russert apparently doesn't have any for any of them, 'cause he's a jerk.

[Francis]

15. he looks the part

I swear that he looks as if he came direct from central casting.
I'm not pro or anti as I haven't really heard him speak yet but you gotta admit he looks right !!

[DoNotRefill]

17. God help us....

if looks are the criteria on which we vote...

[OneBlueSky]

25. oh, there's a certain percentage of the populace . . .

who will base their vote on just that . . . hopefully it isn't too large a percentage, but there will be some . . . count on it . . .

[Capn Sunshine]

19. IS HE RUNNING?

still waiting for an anouncement

[Capn Sunshine]

20. IS HE RUNNING?

still waiting for an anouncement

[Dookus]

29. Sunshine...

I hope you're working on a new mindless meme to spam everywhere. Yours will be obsolete tomorrow.

[Capn Sunshine]

39. maybe so, but until then

he's fair game :)

[Dookus]

42. seriously....

is it performance art? You surely can't think it's a legitimate argument. Why spend SOOOO much time polluting EVERY thread with the same mindless post? Is it gratifying? Do you think it in any way dissuades Clark supporters?

I'm gonna go with performance art. But Yoko does better.

[Julien Sorel]

31. $599 million, and he catches up to Dean.

Then he'll announce! Until then, have some of Dr. Dean's famous Kool-aid!

[Pastiche423]

32. Nope, he hasn't announced yet!

[random]

21. Guys, we're gonna get killed if this keeps up.

Please stop it. Dean CAN'T win, while I like him, he's got the charisma of Elmer Fudd. Continue with the trash Clark campaign and say hello to four more years of idiotboy. He's our last best chance of getting the White House back. There are many good reasons that Clinton supports him, because he can win and none of the others can.

[RC]

27. That is what got my attention...

Clinton is supporting Clark. That's gotta count for something.

[artr2]

28. In Your Opinion, Friend

Why don't you sell me on some points rather than give me spin & conjecture

[joeybee12]

35. You're wrong, Random

Dean can win, and win quite easily.

Most of the Dems can beat Dumbo IF THEY DON'T BEAT THEMSELVES.

People are looking for someone, and Dean definitely has a shot--the problem is that the Dumb-o-crats in Congress want so badly for one of their insider boys to win that they trash Dean and make you believe he can't win. They're shooting themselves in the foot--they need to save the ammo for Dumbo.

[opstachuck]

38. speaking of charisma...

listen to two interviews, same format, same length (about an hour each), one with dean and one with clark. the proof is in the pudding...

dean
http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2002/07/20020703_a_main.asp

wes
http://www.theconnection.org/shows/2003/09/20030908_b_main.asp

[roguevalley]

40. BWAHAHAHAHAAHA!

I have read all the Clark threads and have to laugh.

Compared to a nazi.

Warmonger-war lover, etc.

"ashamed" to announce he's a democrat

what does he know about ______? <Managing an army, logistics, legal knowhow, political dancing with prickly allies, administrating a bureauracy that is hinged on other countries contributions which requires managing other countries sensibilities, laws, etc, somehow doesn't count as 'experiences'. I suppose one could say the governor of a tiny state doesn't count for much too but I give Dean props for trying to do something BETTER for the country even if I probably won't vote for him.>

somehow a rhodes scholarship, econonmics/philosophy degree doesn't count even though it is a star in clinton's crown

hates war because he knows what is is and doesn't believe in going it mano-a-mano with dimwits like hussein while giving the world the finger like bush did, is somehow a bad thing.

I could go on.

I love dems. They hate EVERYBODY!!!

I think the more the better. I wish I could chop pieces off each candidate -dean's anger, dennis' passionate goodness, etc. etc.
etc- and graft them onto wesley because I know I would vote for
SATAN IF IT WOULD BEAT THE LITTLE BASTARD IN THE WHITE HOUSE!!!!

I even hoped Gore would change his mind.

The enemy is bush. whoever is going to be the dem candidate is going to be decided by the dems all over this country. what we say and think means very little to that one reality. I would appreciate more solidarity from all of us on the central goal: bush out, ___________
in. Who you want to be named on that line is your own call and no one should have the right to crap on it.

I am tired of self immolation.

Hugs to all,

RV

[WaterDog]

47. I saw Clark

on Hannity and Colmes. It seemed to me that Hannity was pretty intimidated by Clark. I think it's the four star general thing. Maybe for Russert too. They just automatically have this knee-jerk respect thing for a general-- Supreme Allied Commander and all that.

I don't know. Clark sounds pretty good to me. I'm for Dean but I like Dean/Clark.

[Bread and Circus]

48. Yeah, that's great logic...

now I know why Bush was able to steal election 2000.

:eyes:

People, we gotta get some brains here. Using Tim
Russert as the bell-weather for our decisions is
kinda lame.

Anyone agree?

[dfong63]

50. i agree!

it's just as lame as the Clark supporters who yesterday cited the "9 republican pollsters who unanimously agreed that Dean would be weakest dem nominee" as evidence that their man was a better choice.