Enraged American
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:44 PM
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I don't care what anyone says. Clark does NOT get my support |
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I support Kucinich. The race isn't over.
Clark is too generic for my tastes and has never taken a stand against free trade.
If Clark gets the nomination (and it's not certain the he'll get it), then I will support him over Bush.
Till then, stick to the candidate who speaks for you. We can worry about beating Bush after the primaries.
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:46 PM
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1. Clark is a neophyte when it comes to politics, imho |
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and he doesn't know jack about politics and everyone will point that out.
Yes, he knows the foreign affairs and military issue well, but what else does he know?
I think it's a mistake to support Clark for President right now. Dean/Clark would be a perfect fit. They complement each other very well.
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:50 PM
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5. Another General who was President |
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General Dwight D. Eisenhower. How much experience did he have before he became President? Just calm down people. It ain't even primary time yet. It'll all sort itself out next year. The Democratic nominee will get my support and we will defeat bush in '04.
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:51 PM
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Another General who was President General Dwight D. Eisenhower. How much experience did he have before he became President?
Ike had the experience of architecting the war effort and mobilizing the nation's resources for a world war that lasted half a decade and tested the nation's resolve. nothing in Clark's background is remotely comparable.
It ain't even primary time yet. It'll all sort itself out next year.
a year is not much time to do what needs to be done. the smart candidates, who had real political experience, know that and got a running start long ago.
moreover, candidates like Dean have been not only building their own campaigns, but building up the party. while Clark was gazing at his navel for months trying to work up the courage to admit he was a democrat.
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:50 PM
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6. He also knows economics, and taught it. |
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And when you consider that the two largest issues confronting the country are the wars and the economy, I'm thinking Clark starts out as a very viable candidate.
As to all the DUers hitching their wagon to him already, I gotta say I don't get that.
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:50 PM
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7. You mean Clark can cover Dean's |
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baby ass when the Repubs start ripping into him for being soft and ignorant on foreign affairs. George Marshall couldn't do that, sorry.
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:50 PM
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there is much you don't know about Clark ... |
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For example, IMO, he might be the single most qualified person in economics to EVER run for President.
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:57 PM
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Actually, I like that moniker so much I'm pondering a name change.
Have you considered that you may have a bias???
If my cousin was running for President, I'd have one too.
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:01 PM
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18. so that disqualifies me from speaking truth? |
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Compare and contrast, Clar.
He got his advanced degree in economics from Oxford. I realize that to some that may mean nothing but in the world, it certainly does. In addition, he was a professor of economics at West Point and could, without doubt, be an econ prof anywhere (except maybe the U of Chicago) nd, like Rubin, is also an investment banker.
How do the rest stack up with credentials in economics?
Bear in mind that no one has any experience sitting atop a mega-macro-economy except for Bonehead and I suspect that even you will admit that Bonehead's experience is not ... satisfying.
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:39 PM
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33. I couldn't have said it better myself... |
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clark is not politician enough to debate the domestic issues, where does he stand on the issues?? dean/clark is the ticket...
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:48 PM
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2. I want Kucinich to win |
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Kucinich is the only candidate I've given money to, and the only candidate I went to a meetup for. As far as I'm concerned, Kucinich is the heart and soul of the Democratic party.
It's not over yet. But I certainly prefer Clark to Dean or Kerry or Lieberman.
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:49 PM
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4. DK has as much a chance to win |
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as Sponge Bob Squarepants.... And who gives a shit if Clark doesn't have much political experience... It's who you surround yourself with....
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:56 PM
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OMG. LMAO! I have spit my tea on my shirt now! So funny! So true!
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:01 PM
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17. Yeah, Nixon sure proved that |
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:49 PM
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If Clark wins hold your breath and stomp up and down until you are blue and then passout and miss this election. Thanks for your help.}(
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:03 PM
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S/He was referring to support for the nomination... not the general lection
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:29 PM
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:50 PM
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8. I just don't see what the fuss is all about... |
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He was in the military. Who cares? Bush and his father were both in the military (though AWOL for most of his time). Lets vote based on who we like and not based on who we think OTHERS will like. To do anything else will surely lead us to defeat in 2004.
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:51 PM
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10. That's cool if you don't want to support Clark. |
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Despite Bush & co's repeated attempts, this is still America.
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:57 PM
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13. I'm sure he will be devastated when he finds out. |
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Tue Sep-16-03 04:59 PM
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14. Um....I'm not trying to make you support Clark |
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Tho I support a combo of Dean/Clark, my hope is that your man becomes part of the new administration. Kucinich is a stand-up guy who deserves to be part of the rebuilding of America in a big way. I would love to hear "Secretary of State Dennis Kucinich" personally.
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:00 PM
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did he announce? Damn, did I miss it?
lol
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:04 PM
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21. Nope, you din't miss it |
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He still has not announced.
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Enraged American
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:01 PM
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16. Clark is a flat candidate. Anyone remember McLellan? |
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:03 PM
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Support your candidate! When it's said and done, most of us will get behind the Democratic nominee. Three months until the primaries start, right? Lots of time and tide.
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:04 PM
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22. I dont care what ANYONE says ..... |
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Clark may get my support, or some other DEMOCRATIC PARTY candidate may get that support instead .....
I dont care what ANYONE says ....
ALL the Democratic Party candidates and their supporters deserve a minimum level of respect in our forums ..... We are ALL Democrats, after all ....
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:05 PM
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23. You Are WRONG on Free Trade |
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Minutes 27-31 of this excellent NPR interview go into his economic credentials and his position on issues like these: http://www.theconnection.org/shows/2003/09/20030908_b_main.aspDTH
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Enraged American
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:09 PM
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24. My sound is busted. Got a transcript? |
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:13 PM
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Since many, many people have asked for these positions, maybe I'll try to create one later.
I'll post it if I can find the time.
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:16 PM
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26. please do, we need a transcript - and Clark hopefully is better than Dean |
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on trade issues. The Deanites have been pushing one interview where Dean is mildly critical of NAFTA. Clark needs to take a STRONG unequivical stand against "free trade", outsourcing, and demand corporate loyalty to the US.
I sure hope Clark doesn't snatch defeat from the jaws of victory by pussyfooting around about economic issues. If he's a populist, he'll win big. If not, why bother?
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:25 PM
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Dean's position on trade is hardly better than Bush's or Clinton's or bush I's. When he says that he thinks Mexican workers should belong to international trade unions (as though he's being sooo revolutionary) he's really just trying to pussyfoot around the issue so he can win big from corporations without alienating Democrats who think that position actually means shit.
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:22 PM
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27. I will support any antiwar candidate |
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even a former general, long before I vote for some puke that voted to give Bush the authority to invade Iraq.
I welcome Clark into the race, and may this be the end of the warmongering four: Kerry, Lieberman, Edwards, and Gephardt.
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:33 PM
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:25 PM
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28. He is probably the only guy who can beat Shrub. If that ain't good enuf |
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for you, well...you might as well support Lieberman. Kucinich is the closest candidate to my own position, but I have to live in the real world as I imagine you do too. He does not have any chance of being elected. It's a shame but it's a fact. You can't have a perfect world - every thing you do, including a presidential election choice is a compromise...something the Repigs have discarded. Isn't that something we already know? I think it's a little late to reformulate the USA so everybody has their own personal favorite as President. But you're welcome to try.
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:55 PM
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35. no, an unsupported opinion that "only Clark can win" is not good enuf |
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Tue Sep-16-03 05:28 PM
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I support Clark but I think a whole lot of the spiralling flame wars that we've seen here at DU could be avoided if people simply said/wrote something like Enraged American says/writes here. Bravo!
Simple. No flaming. Decisive.
Now let's get on the way to getting someone nominated and defeating Bush/Cheney in 2004!
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