Enough With This MALACHY PROPHECY BULLSHIT!!

[Beetwasher]

For cryin' out loud people, use some critical thinking skills.

This is the supposed "Prophecy":

"Gloria olivæ
The Benedictine order traditionally said this Pope would come from their order."

http://www.catholic-pages.com/grabbag/malachy.asp

That's the whole thing. Big fucking deal. You think Ratzinger never read it? He purposely named himself Benedict so everyone would go "Oooh ahhh, amzing!" and the church could look all mystical and magical. It's a load of crap. Not even a good trick it's so obvious. Malachy got nothing right, Ratzinger got it right. Yeesh.

[havocmom]

1. I KNEW you were gonna say that!

:evilgrin:

[Orrex]

2. Hear, hear!

Vapid devotion to seers and sooth-sayers I expect from my benighted, Republican-voting coworkers, but I hope for somewhat more rational reflection among Progressives, whom I generally hope to embrace reason in preference to superstition.

Thank you, Beetwasher, for showing me that my hope isn't entirely misplaced!

:toast:

[BattyDem]

3. oh damn ... you had to go and spoil our fun!

;-) :crazy:

LOL!

[tjdee]

4. And he did it on purpose?

Do most religions want the world to end, or what?

I mean, why wouldn't he go "My name is Prince, and I am funky", or something *not* related to the prophesy?

How irritating.

[Beetwasher]

5. That's The Question

Why would he do this on purpose? I suspect it's so the church looks mystical and spooky and whatnot.

[Domitan]

6. Here's the final acid test

Let the next pope be named Peter. That's still a self-fulfilling prophecy as you postulated. Add the imprisonment of Peter and the destruction of Rome and the Vatican during Peter's time. Now THAT will be a prophecy fulfilled! If Peter has a peaceful reign and nothing happens to Rome, there will be no more for even the Malachy followers to hold onto...gone the way of Nostradamus.

[Walt Starr]

7. It's why he chose the name "Benedict"

And I fully expect the next Pope to choose the name "Peter".

[Beetwasher]

9. Yup

No doubt.

[Dookus]

8. Was Ratzinger a benedictine?

choosing the name Benedict doesn't make him from that order.

[crispini]

10. Right, and what's up with the "glory of the olives?"

Don't see any connection there either. :shrug:

[Beetwasher]

12. I Think That Has To Do W/ The Benedictine Order

The olives are somehow symbolically related to the Benedictine's.

[Beetwasher]

11. I Have No Clue

But yes, it's another good point. I actually made it in another thread.

[BattyDem]

13. After the announcement ...

The NBC News commentator said he was a member of the Benedictine order. I haven't looked for confirmation ... let me do a Google. :-)


On edit: I'm not finding any confirmation of his Benedictine connection. That's weird. I wonder why the commentator said that? :shrug:

[Beetwasher]

14. So, How Many Cardinals Are In the Benedictine Order?

I wonder? Is it possible that they all are? :shrug:

Is it possible one of the reasons he was picked BECAUSE he was a Benedictine? :shrug:

The whole thing is just so silly. :eyes:

[BattyDem]

19. I know it's silly, but it's fun to get all "spooky" for a while, LOL! n/t

:D

[Beetwasher]

21. Maybe It's Fun For You, But Some People Believe It and It's The Same Sort

of sloppy, magical, nonsensical thinking that's gotten us to this shitty situation the world is in now. It's dangerous and will be used to whip the fundy nuts into an end times frenzy.

[BattyDem]

25. This is DU ...

There aren't many fundie nuts here. The vast majority of DUers are logical thinkers and reasonable people.

The fact is, there are people who truly believe this stuff. We can't ignore it. By discussing it here, we can point out the inconsistencies, the obvious manipulation and the overall silliness of the matter. Hopefully, when we are confronted with people in our lives who are nervous about all this, we can use the information and arguments we talk about and calm them down to a point of rationality which will prevent them from becoming fundie nuts. The current fundie nuts already know all this crap, so we're not changing their minds one way or the other. JMHO

[Beetwasher]

29. I Understand That

That's why I started this thread. The sort of thinking that makes people believe in these prophecies is dangerous and I like to dispell such notions when I see them.

[SmokingJacket]

27. I'll tell you what's spooky....

after this guy, there's only supposed to be ONE more pope!! Or so says Malachy.

End of the church? End of the world?? :scared:

Or maybe Malachy just got tired of prophesying.

[BattyDem]

36. Maybe someone finally told Malachy to shut up, LOL!

I don't believe the prophecies are prediction as much as they are postdiction, just like with Nostradamus.

What I think is scary is that it's very possible this Pope chose the name "Benedict" to fulfill the prophecy. I can't help thinking that it's being used as a way to manipulate the faithful and, in a way, I find that more frightening than if it were a true prediction.

[aneerkoinos]

15. That's why Malachy is interesting

Prophecies are often self-fulfilling...

[Beetwasher]

16. Then It's Not Really A Prophecy, Is It?

If you prophesize that I will go to the store tomorrow, and I know about it and then I go because you said I would, is that a prophesy? Is that interesting? Not really.

[Domitan]

17. But can the destruction of Rome and Vatican City be self-fulfilling?

Self-fulfilling prophecy, I mean.

Let's say that during the reign of the next Pope, Rome/Vatican gets destroyed. Would you see this as a) a most terrible coincidence, b) an evil conspiracy to make certain words "come true", or c) perhaps something to the Malachy prophecy?

[Beetwasher]

18. "a" or "b"

Prophecy is bullshit. Men conspire all the time to do evil, crazy shit, and, obviously they ARE going out of their way to try to fulfill the "prophecy" already by naming the Popes to reflect it.

[Domitan]

22. Some Catholics have a different look on the Revelations

Most of us are very familiar with the fundies' vision of the UN and the Vatican playing the Antichrist role and bringing horrible business to Israel and those left on earth. Well, many Catholics understandably do not adhere to that. There are some who wrote that the "tribulation" era will occur when the Arabs/Muslims run amok and bring destruction to Europe, especially Rome and the Vatican. So if that event actually does occur or some other kind of destruction devastate Rome, that would be a hell of a LIHOP/MIHOP system, eh? ;)

[Beetwasher]

23. Huh?

Not sure what you're getting at.

When Rome is destroyed, then we can talk again about prophecy. But once again, I'd believe a LIHOP or MIHOP before I'd believe someone predicted the future hundreds of years ago.

[Domitan]

26. Just pointing out what some Catholics predicted regarding Revelations

Familiar: Fundies see Vatican/UN/EU/liberals as the brood of the Antichrist from the Revelations.

Not so familiar to many of us here: Some Catholics see themselves as the tribulation victims in the Revelations. They also see the Arab/Muslim nations as the key players in bringing about that tribulation. They see the Revelations and Malachy's last prophecy within the same time span.

So I was just pointing out how some Catholics speculated how the Revelations/Malachi would play out as well as adding tongue in cheek that it would be one hell of a conspiracy to make this come true (as opposed to just taking up a name already set in some old writings).

[Goldmund]

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[aneerkoinos]

31. What I think

I don't take the literalist view. However, from Jungian point of view, there may be some truth behind visions and prophecies, but they are symbolical and near impossible to give literal interpretations.

I do think, not only from the New-Age point of view but from various enviromental and socio-economical fundaments (Peak Oil not the least)that we are in the process of shifting from "age of Pisces" to "age of Aquarius". Catholic church and Papal power will naturally loose importance in this process. Schisma in the near future is not excluded, but quite likely, we see that already in e.g. Lutheran nominations that have adopted women priests, and the literalist fundamentalists having formed their (small) schismatic circles in opposition to this development. And it should be quite obvious that election of arch-conservative Ratzinger will create much more centrifugal pressures inside the Catholic Church.

[Bridget Burke]

24. How many here proclaim that All Religion is a Fairytale!

But then pay attention to a silly prophecy?

If you're going to be rational--be rational!

[aneerkoinos]

32. I don't think

Calling all religion a fairytale is rational.

[Bridget Burke]

33. I don't either.

But those who rail against all religion in that way usually claim to be rational. Until they read "The Da Vinci Code" or some other half-cocked theory.

[Beetwasher]

34. Huh?

"But those who rail against all religion in that way usually claim to be rational. Until they read "The Da Vinci Code" or some other half-cocked theory."

Got any evidence to back this claim up? I don't see that at all. Most (or many) atheists (if that's who you are talking about) are also skeptics and therefore NOT prone to believing in prophecies, half-cocked theories and whatnot.

[lala_rawraw]

28. Ya think? That is why I am screaming about...

He is playing the "end of times" fear game by declaring that tribulations are a coming (no doubt inspired by Bush).

[fishwax]

30. Can we please stop the Malachy bashing? Why do so many on DU hate

the Malachy prophecies?

(sorry :evilgrin:)

[norml]

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[Beetwasher]

37. Seems Everyone Knew He Would Call Himself Benedict XVI

It was a no brainer since they've all been naming themselves according to what Malachy wrote.

He's not black though!