Where does this theory come from.....

[madfloridian]

Just heard a family member who is with a large defense firm say that the main reason they supported the Iraq invasion was this:
They believe in their lifetime there will be a one-world government, and they want it to be American rather than something else.

I have never heard it put quite this way before, though some have speculated that the EU would not bode well for US as it strengthened.

Could someone tell me which author espouses this particular view?

[qanda]

1. The Bible!

[Don_G]

2. Terminal Ignorance?

It sounds totally irrational to me especially considering China's population and the industrial base they built for US companies trying to save a buck.

[caledesi]

3. Sounds like PNAC to me.

[karlschneider]

5. Exactly. Anybody who wants to know, google PNAC. It really is that easy.

:eyes:

[madfloridian]

15. We discussed PNAC, and he said it did not sound like that.

:shrug:

[Maple]

4. One world govt

refers to the entire world...not just one country out of many!

That is absurd!

[arcane1]

6. don't the Left Behind kooks talk about this kind of thing?

sounds like it's up their alley, so to speak

[liberalmuse]

7. Hal Lindsey...

He wrote a bunch of books on his interpretation of 'Revelations'. 'Revelations is so confusing that anyone could come along and interpret it the way they want t. Lindsey's views, once out on the fringe, seem to be the ones adopted by mainstream Christianity these days. The fundies say the Bible is to be taken literally, so we have to assume they believe the people of the world will follow a 7-horned beast. This 'end of the world' scenario has been around since the beginning of civilization in almost every culture. That supposedly educated people actually believe this is a bit unnerving, because if enough people subscribe to this bullshit, they will work towards making it become a self-fulfilling prophecy.

[Catholic Sensation]

8. here's how it works according to Daniel, Revelation, etc.

I am a huge fan of Apocalyptic prophecies and shit like that, so here is how it is laid out.

Before any of this one world government talk, there will be the Rapture. The Rapture is when the true Christians will be taken from this Earth (though not killed, kind of like Elijah I guess). The ensuing chaos will allow the Antichrist (not yet indwelt by Satan) to come onto the world scene as a leader. This however does not mark what is known as the Tribulation. When the Temple of Solomon, which the Muslims conveniently put the Dome of the Rock on, is rebuilt, the Antichrist will sign a pact with Israel which will basically say there'll be seven years of peace. This starts the Tribulation period. The Antichrist will set up a one world religion, and will have the world divided into ten parts, which all report to him. Anyway, Babylon will soon become the headquarters of the Antichrist and is where the new one world religion will be located also. For the first half of the Tribulation the Antichrist will essentially be under the One World Religion, but after having his/her head open, he/she will then "die" but three days later be indwelt by Satan (after being completely cast out of Heaven) and the Antichrist will rise again, simulating the ressurection of Jesus.

Okay so now that the Antichrist is "risen," the people begin to worship him and take the mark of the beast. Somehow 666 is related to the mark of the beast, but nobody has any idea what 666 stands for. So after a terrible holocaust of the Jews, though many will be converted, finally the Antichrist and his soldiers will lead a march on Mount Megido, and Jesus' Glorious Appearance comes and the Antichrist and his False Prophet are thrown in the lake of fire, and Satan is bound for 1000 years. This 1000 years is known as the Millenial Kingdom, and after 1000 years Lucifer is released from his bondage and allowed to try one more attempt to take out Jesus. This ultimately fails and Satan is cast forever in the lake of fire and sulfur, and the New Jerusalem is heaven on Earth.

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

10. 666

I heard, somewhere, was a number code for Caesar. Some think that the Book of Revelation is referring to the Roman Empire when talking about things like the Temple (which the Romans sacked), etc, etc.

Of course, endtimers are having a field day with the fact that there is a group of Jews who are planning to rebuild the Temple.

In Islam, the Dome of the Rock represents the spot from which Mohammed, the beloved Prophet, rode to Heaven and saw God. (We're not talking about his death-he came back to tell of the experience). They also say that the indentation in the rock is where Abraham attempted to sacrifice his son before God intervened. (I say "son" because in the Islamic tradition, the son was Ishmael, Abraham's older son by his handmaidan Haggar, who, in the Bible, was the founder of a great people).

All that said-my dear husband thinks the Anti-Christ might be here right now-named G.W. Bush.

[karlschneider]

11. Just an observation: 666: Ronald Wilson Reagan.

If the fundies can do numerology, why can't this WOA?
:D

[ComerPerro]

9. Thats a stretch

But I do know that many hardcore conservatives are terrified of the EU. The way Bush is sending the country, don't be suprised to see another Cold War.

[msmcghee]

12. Adolph Hitler n/t

[madfloridian]

13. Ok, this person also mentioned the Washington Times......

and I told them who owned it. They were stunned. Now they had read Gertz's book (think it was Gertz)and was it Blowback? I told them I thought he was a Times reporter.

At the mention of Moon, they got a little flustered. This person is quite intelligent, does not attend church, but lives in TX (ok I forgot to put that in).

Is there a RW radio host who touts this sort of thing? This person does not listen to Rush, I know.

I remember Hal Lindsay's books, and I was raised Southern Baptist....so I know all about the left behind stuff. This did not sound like that. I don't think I have heard this theory exactly, and it really bothered me. They are excusing the Iraq war this way.

[blm]

16. Mad, I always try to let them know about Moon.

It really makes them uncomfortable. Moon was in cahoots with Tim LaHaye (LEFT BEHIND) for many years.

[madfloridian]

19. Does this sound Left Behind to you, though?

This person stated the world would have one government in his lifetime ( he is 40ish), and he wanted it to be ours. I was stunned.

I thought I was the conspiracy nut. }(

[blm]

21. One world, one theocracy.

Unification Church means all religions UNIFIED under Moon.

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

14. Every tinfoil hatter on the planet

That's what freepers and most militias are afraid of too is totalitarian socialism. Hell that was part of the big push with Bill Cooper's writings. LaRouche also believes this and so do all the conspiracy sites.

[maggrwaggr]

17. That's an old RW paranoia. I've been hearing it for two decades

it's some sort of "fear of the U.N." thing. Fear of "secular humanism". It's all kooky, RW tin-foil-hat stuff, but it's shared by millions of kooky RW tin-foil-hat wearers.

[madfloridian]

20. Yes, he hates the UN.

I did not realize he did. I never thought of him as being anything but level-headed. I was surprised to hear this.

[scarletwoman]

18. Can't give a specific answer, but it sounds alot like the ever-popular

UN paranoia. That was/is(?) a big part of the militia movement raison d'etre -- to fight off the foreign troops that would be invading our shores when the "One World Government" took over.

sw

[He loved Big Brother]

23. Exactly.

Why else would they name the President of the UN the Anti-Christ in the Left-Behind series?

A good read right now for some comic relief from the end-of-timers, not to mention the good-natured insightful perspective that is ever-present in his works, would be "Skinny Legs and All" by Tom Robbins.

[TennesseeWalker]

22. That's maybe the only justifiable arguement I've heard.

If they were honest, and that was the reason, I'd have to give them the benefit of the doubt...it needs to be American led....with much input from the other countries..and I think we'll give them that....if Clark is president. He won't do it Shrub's way...and if war wasn't absolutely needed, I'm sure we'll be put on a path to merge with the world...it's not necessarily a totally bad thing to have peace in the world in our lifetimes...

[He loved Big Brother]

24. I am in complete disagreement.. Why does it need it be American-led?

Some European nations have a MUCH higher standards of living than we do, in every area from education to teen-pregnancy to violent crime to fuel consumption...all while maintaining a stable justice system/free press.

If America is the epitome of the best humanity can do, so much that *we* should be the bastion of such a lofty title as "Leader of the New World", please stop the planet and let me off now.

(For starters, *any* country that approves of nuclear weaponry automatically nullifies them from deserving such a role! And that's just for starters!)