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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 07:46 PM
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Lawsuit says touch screen voting is inaccurate
The court may delay the October 7th vote because of the possibility that punch card ballots may not give an accurate result. But one local woman says touch screen voting machines are no better and she's suing the state to get her point across.

If it's not one thing it's another. Critics of punch cards say they could be punched the wrong way, making votes uncountable. Critics of computer touch screens, on the other hand, say there's no way to verify votes meaning no one's accountable for the way an election turns out.

If you vote the old way, let's say with punch cards, you know exactly what you’re turning in. But if you vote the new way, electronically, you only really know what you've pressed.

What happens from there is out of your hands. To some that doesn't matter.

But others say the lack of this kind of proof is troubling.

“These things can be manipulated mechanically.”

More
http://www.kesq.com/Global/story.asp?S=1447184&nav=9qrxI3I9
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Democat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 07:48 PM
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1. Supreme Court screwed America in 2000, now we're all paying
They made up new rules to put Bush in power, now what?
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ElsewheresDaughter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 07:49 PM
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2. GOOD for her!!! oh and is it true that BBV site was shut down???
Edited on Wed Sep-17-03 07:50 PM by ElsewheresDaughter
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 07:51 PM
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3. I wondered if she is a DUer
Edited on Wed Sep-17-03 07:54 PM by Robbien
There was a thread yesterday suggesting we all do what this lady is doing.

Nope, still there. BBV's host is fighting the cease order.
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DEMActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 08:32 PM
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9. No, Susan is not a DUer
Though she lurks here and at BBV frequently. She ran for office on a Libertarian ticket.
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creativelcro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:04 PM
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12. NOT TRUE
"GOOD for her!!! oh and is it true that BBV site was shut down???"

NOT True.
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gristy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 07:59 PM
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4. Susan Marie Weber
And that's where Susan Marie Weber of Palm Desert comes in. She filed a lawsuit against the state and Riverside County's Registrar of Voters, saying with touch screen machines it's impossible to know exactly how your electronic vote was recorded.

My gosh. You go girl! :bounce:


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TennesseeWalker Donating Member (925 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 07:59 PM
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5. What happened to the Demactivist challenge?
I never heard anything else about it.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 08:08 PM
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6. Did you see that last paragraph!
Most voters we talked to say they generally trust the system, but it's up to the courts to say one way or the other, and guess which one's hearing the case? Yup. The 9th Circuit Court of Appeals, the same one that had a problem with those old fashioned punch card ballots.

This lady may have a fighting chance.
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newsguyatl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 08:14 PM
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7. this is awesome!!!
i'm gonna spread the word on this....


thanks for posting
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DEMActivist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 08:31 PM
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8. Link for her legal documents
http://www.electionguardians.org/actions.htm

For More Information, contact: Susan Marie Weber --- 760.340.2213 E-mail: susanmarieweber@earthlink.net

DUers, email her and send her encouragement. I spoke with her this week and she's going to argue the case herself. She's following BBV closely and watching everything we come up with.

The problem with this being an appeal is that she can't offer NEW evidence, only argue her case. She's planning on slipping in some of our stuff if she can.

She was going to sit with a "high powered" attorney yesterday to go over her oral arguments and our new evidence to see how she can slip it in.

Email her and let her know how much you appreciate her efforts. She can use the kudos.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 08:59 PM
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11. When posting this story, I knew, just knew you guys were in on it
in some way.

Would love to email her and lend moral support. Thanks.
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4dog Donating Member (289 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 08:52 PM
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10. Go for it!
Also see Gordon's posts on consumer complaint type filings.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 02:05 AM
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13. Shamelessly bumping the thread for late night viewing
Lend support to Susan or be brave and follow Gorden's recommendations.

Such great news that a patriot out in California is defending our voting rights.
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dusty64 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-18-03 07:55 AM
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14. Excellent.
:kick:
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