Another Fundie Goes Off the Deep End - (Religion of Love Alert)

[Freedom_from_Chains]

Boy’s last words: ‘What’s going on?’

April 29, 2005

BY STEFANO ESPOSITO, ANNIE SWEENEY AND DAN ROZEK Staff Reporters


They moved here with a mission -- to build a Christian community for Bulgarians who had settled in Chicago.

Nikolai Vasilev was the pastor and his wife, Tonya, was the Sunday school teacher. Together they nurtured an evangelical community in the northwest suburbs and created their own family. They had three children and survived the death of one of them in a 2000 fire.

Wednesday night, Nikolai came home to find his two remaining children, a 9-year-old son and 3-year-old daughter, stabbed to death -- some 500 times -- and his wife bathed in blood, a source close to the investigation said.

Tonya Vasilev, 34, has given statements to Hoffman Estates police and was expected to be charged in the murders today, the source said.

http://www.suntimes.com/output/news/cst-nws-kidsdead29.html

[Jesus Saves]

1. The only thing surprising about this story

is that it didn't happen in Florida.

[brainshrub]

4. I was just thinking the same thing.

[smiley_glad_hands]

5. Or Texas. eom

[Freedom_from_Chains]

12. Texas is more likely

Which is where the Andrea Yates case came out of. Another example of someone pushed over the edge by fundamentalist indoctrination.

[leftofthedial]

8. cold . . .

:-)

[NAO]

2. How did Clinton get to Chicago?

because you know that this is his fault. Him and the liberals in congress and those goddamn activist judges.

[Wapsie B]

26. Hillary's from there.

Her tentacles stretch everywhere.

:sarcasm:

[sarcasmo]

3. Fear of molestation, kill the kids instead. Another Fundie whack job.

The sad thing is more and more of this will begin to happen the closer the fools think the scary RAPTURE is coming.

[RadiDem]

6. And the majority of wire stories OMIT the Fundy part

I just searched on Google news and most stories mention NOTHING about religion,

[Montauk6]

7. It's the liberals' fault...

Because of a cabal comprised of liberals, feminists, gays, lesbians, secular humanists and the ACLU, all decent GAWD-fearin' Americans have felt marginalized, particularly by such groups as the Audubon Society, People for the American Way and Maggie Gyllanhaal. Nowadays, good Christian mothers are no longer allowed to witness the word of Gawd, thanks to Planned Parenthood, ACT-UP and Mike Farrell. So, families such as the Vasilevs (Vasilev... hmm... sounds Russian, probably brushed up with some atheistic Communists before fleeing to the bosom of the US of A) become bereft of good decent family values, thanks to Air America, gay marriage, and Ed Asner.

We must pray the good Lord Jesus saves the souls of these unfortunate servants of Christ who have fallen pray to the Democratic National Committee, MoveOn.org, and Teletubbies.

(I don't how these guys do it; this is making ME nauseous, and I'm just goofin'!)

[Freedom_from_Chains]

13. Yeah, but as it seems you have found out

it's not that hard to do, just put all reason and logic to the side and it can flow pretty naturally. There was even on post over on FR that this was the result of Satan made her do it. It's scary these people are out there and live among us.

[Montauk6]

15. Yes. And that they drive cars, vote and raise children.

[leftofthedial]

9. damned liberal activist judges

and their damned gay agenda

but at least she waited until after her kids were born to kill them, unlike those baby-murdering liberals

:sarcasm:

[Straight Shooter]

10. Farewell, little ones, and rest in peace.

:hug:

[Freedom_from_Chains]

11. That is truly the thing I hate most about christian fundamentalism

It is always the children who suffer the most.

[Lydia Guerra]

14. In Any Fundamentalist Fascist Belief System: The Children Suffer

BTW: the TV-news in Chicago did not omit references to the Christian School and the family's religious associations.

Any fundamentalism causes suffering of the most vulnerable whether it is religious fundamentalism or political fundmentalism.

[MontageOfFreedom]

16. Its truly disturbing......

Oh my we better all prepare for their rapture. Or maybe they are going to suicide eachother?

Is it an honest belief they have, that liberals are to blame for world suffering? Is this the truth in their eyes? Is this why 9/11 and all the other tragedies were allowed on our watch?

[chookie]

17. Collective Guilt/God's Punishment

Yes -- they Do believe "liberals" are responsible for all suffering.

Because they have turned away from "God's Law". Therefore, God unleashes horrible punishments upon mankind because the pious suffer the ungodly to exist.

Today, the main offenses are accepting homosexuality and legal abortion. In the recent past, it was rights for women and blacks.

The list goes on and on....when you're paranoid, everything looks like its after you.

[MontageOfFreedom]

18. Incredible....I had never thought this before..

It must be some psychological problem they all share, as in a distorted world viewpoint that means the government will never be anything but a corrupt bunch of greedy squabbling delagates.

It feels like Star Wars now....

[Freedom_from_Chains]

19. Religiosity is a psychological disorder

It's just the medical community won't classify it as such because they don't want there careers destroyed in the hysterical backlash.

[RandomKoolzip]

20. Oh come on.

I'm an atheist, but even *I'M* offended by that remark.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

21. Then read William James, “Varity of Religious Experience”

Which was written in the early 1900's, he recognized it over a hundred years ago.

[RevCheesehead]

22. I don't care whose opinion it is -

it's still against the DU rules (and yes, it is offensive)

<snip>
Members should avoid highly provocative postings, such as comparing religion to fairy tales or mental illness, or arguing that religion (or the lack thereof) is the source of most of the world's problems.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

25. Your reponce is very telling, and helpful

"I don't care whose opinion it is what the facts are, there are certain sacred cows society must protect at all cost "

"Members should avoid highly provocative postings, such as comparing religion to fairy tales or mental illness, or arguing that religion (or the lack thereof) is the source of most of the world's problems."

Thanks for pointing this out; I had not seen it before. I find it extremely interesting that a board such as DU would incorporate in there rules the stifling of the free exchange of ideas as being offensive to certain societal norms such as religion. Particularly in an era where extreme religious fervor is subverting the government, and launching an all out attack on the very constitutional foundations of society.

I guess it goes to demonstrate how religious fanaticism has managed to ingrain itself in the entire political process by infecting both of the major political parties to one degree or another.

Which goes to answer a question I have held for many years, I always understood that Hitler was a sociopath who was skilled at manipulation. What I have always had trouble with, was understand how he got the population to go along with him. Your answer however, makes it crystal clear. There are just some things that are so horrible to look at, that even the rational among us will allow themselves to be deluded, to maintain a semblance of normallacy, even when all of the evidence suggest otherwise.

Thanks for helping me with that.

[Ichiro]

31. I agree with you

You used the term religiosity, meaning extreme religious beliefs. You could have said zealots or fundies. I also agree that the zealots are screwing all of us with their hysterical manipulation.

[Freedom_from_Chains]

32. Your are correct

There is a difference between having a system of religious beliefs or values, which can be construed as normal and maybe even desirable, and religiosity, which tends to encompass extremism, and is not normal.

It is the latter which is generally defined as a psychological disorder.

[bush_is_wacko]

23. God, I can't believe these people are incapable of realizing

the devil has invaded Christianity. I fear for some of my neighbors here too. It seems organized religion in any form these days has been taken over at the top levels by insanity!

Unfortunately, this only gives rise to the "rapturists" delusions! How to stop the world of religion from imploding in upon itself is a question worth looking into at this point. If the "end of days" has any truth to it, we are living it right now for sure!

BTW, my interpretation of those words is NOT the same as the "rapturists." I personally believe reading revelations that what is described there is another rebirth of humanity. IMO, we have come really close to the point of no return with some of these groups of people. Since 2000 their numbers have grown at an astounding pace!

Yes, even before 911 their numbers were on the rise. The true conspiracy theorist in this world have been on a mission since the turn of the century to "CREATE" the end of days.

Can anyone even remember what it was like before the world takeover?

[Freedom_from_Chains]

27. I have always been an avid supporter of "Freedom of Religion"

within our society as I have always seen it as foundational to a free society.

However, in observing resent events, the rewriting of American history, the full scale disinformation campaign about law, and the division of society into two warring camps, I find I am having to rethink that position.

One cannot deny that this has all been brought about through religious fanaticism, but what is the most interesting, which I have seen on this board, is that those who aren't particularly religious will rise to support it when they perceive religion is being challenged. It is like there are certain sacred cows within society that must be protected even in the face of untold damage being committed by them. A most curious phenomena.

It is however, given me cause to revaluate the Chinese position and consider that maybe they are right, the only way to protect society from such fanaticism, is by the elimination of it.

[bush_is_wacko]

28. I am a believer, but I am NOT involved with organized religion

at the moment.

I do feel there are decent churches out there, but I have been unable to find one in my vicinity. It seems they are all preaching from the same very delusional and EXTREMELY distorted version of ....well, I can't even call it "Christianity" cause' I just don't see it that way.
Is it really possible that Satanist have infiltrated our society enough to alter human reality with regards to religion? Truly, I am amazed at just how far I have to go to attempt to find an answer for the state of religion today. It is truly terrifying to believe what I am oh so inclined to believe at this point. All my family are Catholics and we ALL feel this way. Our priests aren't giving these sermons but I can assure you we are not attending mass with any frequency either any more, just in case.

I NEVER thought five years ago when I saw the first parent pull their kid out of school over the belief that the end was near, just previous to the turn of the century, that this could grow so fast! In fact, we all sort of joked about it back then. We aren't laughing much these days over this!

[Freedom_from_Chains]

29. We aren't laughing much these days over this!

Nor should we be as what is happening in our country now is not a laughing matter. To a certain degree what I see transpiring is the most dangerous time I have ever seen in America, and that is over half a century now. The Vietnam war and the 60’s were nothing compared to today, and that was a time where it was debatable as to weather or not we were on the verge of a revolution.

The truth is how we got to where we are today did not happen overnight. One can trace it's beginnings back to just after the civil war, but that is too much to go into right now. However, continuing to look at it from a theistic perspective, I am reminded of an article I read some 20 years ago. In it the author asserted that didn't it make more sense that the bible was more likely a creation of Satan than god. He asks the simple question of is there any other single writing that has brought more suffering, wars, persecution, and murder to humanity than the bible? One would logically think that if God had written a book, it would have brought peace and harmony to mankind, something that Satan would not like to see.

At the time I read it I thought it was pretty out there, but over the years it has made more and more sense. Man has always asked the questions of, where do I come from, what is this all about, and where am I going, and religion, in large part, as oftentimes been his answer.

However, I contend that the answer is in one finding their spirituality, something that does not necessarily have anything in common with institutional religion. Institutional religion was created simply to control man, nothing more.

[bush_is_wacko]

30. This is a statement I can agree with whole heartedly!

However, I contend that the answer is in one finding their spirituality, something that does not necessarily have anything in common with institutional religion. Institutional religion was created simply to control man, nothing more.

I find more often than not someone that has found this part of themselves is usually NOT involved with organized religion.

[seabeyond]

24. read last nite, didnt say how much into religion

read this and one of a 12 and 13 yr old being shot in head by mom. then mom laid in bed and shot herself in head. very much into church

tell ya...................what is up