EXPOSED! Deadly Bush-Backed SSRI Drug Marketing Schemes...

[RBHam]

Bush-Backed Drug Marketing Schemes

By: Evelyn Pringle
Published: Apr 25, 2005
YubaNet.com

excerpt:
The truth is, with full support from Bush, the pharmaceutical industry is using TeenScreen as a vehicle to push dangerous drugs on children who in the eyes of many experts are already being overmedicated.

Despite that the fact that SSRI antidepressants are banned for use with children in the UK and despite the FDA "black box" warning label now required on all SSRIs that the drugs increase suicidal thinking and behavior in kids, the NFC not only recommends that the same drugs be prescribed to children, it promotes the very schemes that will increase the number of kids on these drugs in schools and other public institutions.

According to a report by the Florida Statewide Advocacy Council, posted on Ken Kramer's website, an investigation in Florida found that of 1,180 kids in foster care, 652 were on one or more psychotropic drugs.

In Texas, Dr John Breeding, an Austin psychologist, has seen cases where some foster children were placed on as many as 17 drugs and says drugs are being used as chemical restraints in Texas. He wants all SSRIs and neuroleptic drugs banned from use on children "The SSRIs are extremely harmful and addictive; and can cause or exacerbate suicidal or homicidal tendencies; withdrawal is painful and dangerous,” Breeding warns.

Just say NO to the Bush Drug Cartel!...
http://www.yubanet.com/artman/publish/article_20212.shtml

[MontageOfFreedom]

1. Amazing!!

Someone should print out all the documents and air them on C-SPAN.....Let the double-effort along with Griffin's videos pummel them all at the same time, and create massive chaos.

[applegrove]

2. I was overwhelmed as a teen with stress and didn't get away from

it. So my working memory got half way bad. My memory finally went caput in my early twenties. The SSRIs gave me back my life and working memory.

For some people, to know you are vulnerable is good. I mean kids are on ritalin and other drugs. It is a shame for anyone to have to take a pill. But this will help not just people who get a their personality back with an SSRI (who suffered from low level depression)and never see a wink of suicidal ideation. It will help kids is obsessive compulsive disorder and others.

Double edged sword. And yes - kids on the drugs (& adults) need to be careful if they are under extreme stress (like victims of crimes). That would call for an adjustment in pills.

We need to know so much more about these drugs that are out there. Too bad the corporations are in charge of the '411' on meds. Because they don't have allot of trust as honest brokers after Bush.

[MontageOfFreedom]

3. These drugs are basically not good for any of that at all. All fallacy.n/t

They can start by taking them off a market. Natural medicine works thousands times greater than the things you just proclaimed.

[applegrove]

4. Not true. Look up hippocampus & SSRI. They actually encourage the

growth of new neurons there (that have been worn down by depression). The hippocampus is where new memories go to be formed. That is why some people go from mousy and tentative to robust. They are a life changer.

As to their use in people for various other reasons... I do not know. All I know is that people used to live depressed for 40 years. Their lives and the lives of those around them were diminished. Now there is treatment.

Don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. Today's medicine does do amazing things at times. The question is not about getting rid of pharmaceuticals monopolies, because we need them to do the research, the question is how to keep corporations from making all the decisions about our own political, social & cultural lives and how human beings should or should not use regulations. There business is sell drugs & research. Not running government. Or running religion.


http://mentalhealth.about.com/cs/psychopharmacology/a/neurogenesis.htm

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

6. Applegrove, this isn't about SSRIs. It's about threatened Scientologists.

Scientology's deceased exhalted CULT leader, the relatively obscure science-fiction writer, L. Ron Hubbard was most likely bipolar and harbored an extreme dislike for psychiatry. It has been a pet project for Scientology since the late-70s to early-80s to go after any modern psychiatric practice...why I can quite figure out.

Maybe the Scientologists are worried that their CULT beliefs of alien beings like Xeno and the use of pseudo-magnetism quack devices will be called out by psychiatry and psychological professionals for what it truly is...delusional behavior.

JB

[MontageOfFreedom]

7. Agreed, all the drugs are the same.

Your logical arguments make no sense, because you have only tasted or experienced one set of such drugs. There's people who have been on all types of drugs proven in the Drug Trust, to be mutual mind-manipulators for over 60 years and they have understood-- Not one of the drugs designed to cure post mordem depression has been a good thing, there is no 'gray' area to illuminate on.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

9. Before you continue to speak out of your ass...

As one of the psych professionals so derided by Scientology, I think I have more FACTUAL information on psychoactive drugs (pros & cons) and understand that some people would literally die without them. I'm not saying that all psychoactive meds are great, but I have more of an issue with psychoactive meds being prescribed for "off label" uses or in patient populations not previously tested (i.e., children).

Also, I think you are trying to talk about post-partum depression (meaning after birth)...not post-mordem depression, which is an impossiblity as DEAD PEOPLE cannot be depressed.

How do you feel about ECT (electroconvulsive therapy) use for psychotic, medication-refractory depression?

JB

[MontageOfFreedom]

12. I don't feel anything about it.

I just simply know that the "documents" about the so called drugs, are lies. There are pages and pages of scanned pieces which show Bayer-AG, and the rest of the Drug Trust is a part of the same well-relayed deceptive operation.

I'm not "on one side" of drugs versus psycho-analysis, I simply observe that they are corrupt and are designed for the benefit of a specific coalition known as pharmaceutical companies.

In fact, many of the drugs are probably saving lives around the world. But it doesn't prove nor draw any attention away from what they were designed for. There is a reason we have no cure to AIDS, and that is because the pharmaceutical industry has cut back all benefits and is interested in no such thing- They are interested in the business of medication.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

13. Understood & Agreed (to a point)...sorry to be so caustic.

Big Pharma does have a distasteful "bottomline" mentality, but at the same time they are funding a large portion of the R&D efforts in many diseases. Big Pharma has stepped in to support research previously funded by the government, and as a result they are ingratiated into the scientific/medical research process. I see this change as less the fault of Big Pharma and more the fault of a government that has under-funded medical research over the course of two decades.

JB

[zippy890]

14. thank you for your perspective

from someone who has benefitted from anti-depressants. I see a tendency here of bias against the use psychiatric medications to the point of absurdity.

You make a very good point about the underfunding by the government in the research and development of illnesses.

[MontageOfFreedom]

17. But one can't ignore the other side of the argument...

The government doesn't neccesarily have to fund anything, in other parts of the world very well known scientists found the cures as cited but the pharmaceuticul industry as a whole, slandered those scientists into submission.

They aren't in the business of cures as it were, since this is a business of medication. Then it is decided how long people want to be medicated before moving on to alternatives.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

29. Great points! ...for those living in twinkle-toes la-la land.

Please show me a DOCUMENTED (meaning in a peer-reviewed journal or book) proof of holistic medications/therapies being helpful for the treatment of schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, Alzheimer's disease, Parkinson's disease, psychotic depression, and just about any other non-personality disorder etiology in the DSM-IV.

JB

[applegrove]

35. My worry would be at this juncture that people coming home from

the war or people traumatized and depressed by the way the world is going (or loosing a job) would listen to someone deriding the health professionals who deal with the brain... and not seek help.

I have had depression and now PTSD. They have great drugs for both.

So to anyone coming home from the war.. there is help out there.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

44. Agreed. Medications combined w/ intensitive psychotherapy help PTSD & Dep

Sadly, however, the Bushies have effectively cut the VA budget, which will affect the number of vets able to receive the necessary (maximally effective) treatment for PTSD and depression.

JB

[BeHereNow]

21. speaking of speaking out of your ass...

I really don't think you can debate me on this topic.
As a woman who has suffered NATURAL progesterone
imbalance for thirty years, and who FINALLY found relief
through NATURAL orthomolecular correction after nearly
killing myself on ONE dose of Zoloft for the condition which
I took out of desperation- let me point out to you this fact-
The mothers who DROWNED and hacked their children's
arms off, along with the teenagers who killed their classmates
and grandparents, along with COUNTLESS others were all
taking pharma anti depressants at the time of their psychotic episodes.
Now go and find me ONE person who has recovered through
orthomolecular correction who has had an ADR of this
magnitude.
Your self proclaimed expertise as a psych professional
is EXACTLY the attitude I encountered for years
as a person who suffered from depression.
I sincerely hope you take the time to EDUCATE yourself
and I PRAY that no one like me, EVER encounters you
while seeking help.
Your arrogance and ignorance is precisely the
reason people like me continue to suffer, needlessly.
BHN
FOR THE RECORD- I am NOT a Scientologist.
I am a person who fortunately, di d not listen to
people like you and took my health into my own hands.
I have never been happier and my condition is
the result of ALL natural methods.

[MontageOfFreedom]

25. Your beliefs are unshakably strong. Good testimony. n/t

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

28. One dose of Zoloft WILL NOT kill you. Now, go back to licking frogs...

I'm not interested in debating individuals with hystrionic personality disorders and those who eschew medical/scientific advancements the same way the Repukes do.

Tell me is this "orthomolecular" therapy to speak of endorsed by ANY legitimate medical organization? How 'bout insurance reimbursement for this "therapy"? No? I didn't think so.

Liberal, but not living in the Dark Ages,
JB

[BeHereNow]

36. Like I said- I hope no one seeking help encounters YOU

One dose of anything does not kill you-
An ADVERSE DRUG REACTION to the dose does.
For your enlightenment, it has been well documented that
in SOME patients antidepressants can cause an ADR that
includes suicide, homocide and self mutilation among other
things- out of body sensation, etc...these ADR symptoms can
occur within hours of the first dose, as did in my case.

And yes, my insurance DOES cover the most important
compound of my orthomolecular treatment as it has now been
recognized as an effective treatment for my condition by the
medical "profession" in the U.S. - the rest I pay for out of pocket.
Two of the compounds I take have LONG been recognized by
medical societies in Europe, Canada and the U.K.
Only recently have the medical societies in THIS country
come out of the "Dark Ages" that you ARE in as far as your
knowledge about the effiacy of orthomolecular treament.

I am curious to know- exactly how are you involved the
the psychiatric profession?

Perhaps you work in the cafeteria in a state hospital?
I certainly hope someone with you attitude and obvious hostility
is not allowed too close to patients.

BHN

[BeHereNow]

38. Zoloft Warning: Pfizer Canada &SUICIDE ADR

Not that I think you are willing to LEARN anything,
but others reading this thread might want to:

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/hpfb-dgpsa/tpd-dpt/zoloft_hpc_e.html

"This is duplicated text of a letter from Pfizer Canada Inc.."

"Rigorous clinical monitoring for suicidal ideation or other indicators of potential for suicidal behavior is advised in patients of all ages. This includes monitoring for agitation-type emotional and behavioural changes."

"The updated warning informs practitioners that all patients being treated with SSRIs and other newer antidepressants should be rigorously monitored for clinical worsening, or onset/ worsening of agitation-type adverse events, or other indicators of potential for suicidal behaviour."

"There are clinical trial and post-marketing reports with SSRIs and other newer antidepressants, in both pediatrics and adults, of severe agitation-type adverse events coupled with self-harm or harm to others. The agitation-type events include: akathisia, agitation, disinhibition, emotional lability, hostility, aggression, depersonalization. In some cases, the events occurred within several weeks of starting treatment. "

Within hours in my case. It was a terrifying experience.

By the way your "go back to licking frogs" directive is an
insult to indigenous people all over the world who have been practicing
organic medicine for centuries.

I sincerely hope you never experience an ADR yourself.
If you do, I hope you are not under the care of someone
as intolerant and close minded as you are.
BHN

[SGBL]

39. You have no idea what you are talking about

Have you ever taken an SSRI? I bet not. I have - and I can tell you they work wonders.

Gee, imagine that. A correlation between people taking SSRIs and suicide. I mean, it's not like the people taking SSRIs are already at risk for suicide or anything is it?

And you know all those people that killed themselves from 1900 and earlier? Yea, that was SSRIs not depression. Didn't you hear romeo and juliet were popping the paxil before they did themselves in?

This post as is ignorant as claiming cancer drugs killed the person with cancer - not the cancer its self.

[BeHereNow]

40. Obviously, you have not read the thread.

If you had, you would know that I have taken an SSRI.
I had an adverse drug reaction to Zoloft.
We have nothing more to discuss until you take the time
to actually read the entire discussion.
BHN
Welcome to DU

[SGBL]

42. You had an adverse reaction to zoloft

Ok - so does that mean that everyone else who takes zoloft will have an adverse reaction?

There have been cases where people taking aspirin have had an adverse reaction and literally died. That doesn't mean for most people it isn't a helpful drug. Adverse reactions are a risk with every drug, but usually they are the exception not the rule. Sometimes there can even be a mis-diagnosis. Maybe you're bi-polar and you needed lithium not an SSRI.

Nice job dismissing the entire point BTW as you apparently can't refute the fact that people who take SSRIs are already at risk for suicide.

I've taken paxil, zoloft, and prozac. All of them had at least some positive effect on me. Yet someone like you who had a negative effect would deny me the positive life saving effect just because YOU didn't have a good experience.

I also have tried some herbal solutions like st johns wart. They did nothing at all for me. Only the SSRIs worked. But again, because they worked for YOU then you would deny ME the solution that works for me.

The world does not revolve around you.

On edit: One more thing - a single dose of zoloft does NOTHING. Any medical doctor will tell you that you need to take it for *at least* three weeks before ANYTHING positive will happen. You quit on day one, therefore you have no idea how helpful it can be once you take it as prescribed by your doctor. What you did was equal to taking one dose of anti-biotic when you were prescribed to take it for 15 days, and then going around saying the anti-biotic doesn't work.

[BeHereNow]

46. NEVER did I once say

that SSRIs are not beneficial to some people.
SOME people can't take them.
I am one of those people.
THAT is what I said.
My point IS- there is a total denial and suppression in this country
about any ALTERNATIVE treatments and the fact that MANY people
DO experience DANGEROUS ADRs to antidepressants.

You are NOT my doctor, and have NO authority to diagnose
what happened to me on one dose of Zoloft in a few
short hours. My doctor DID diagnose my reaction to the one dose of
Zoloft as an ADR and it was officially reported to Pfizer as such
by her.

We are clearly operating from different research knowledge
on this topic, therefore, I do not see how we can have a
thoughtful and RESPECTFUL discussion on this topic.

BHN

[SGBL]

49. You know why I talked about the benefit and your experience?

Because *you chose* to completely ignore my first point that the risks of suicide are greatly overstated. So don't complain when I moved on to a different point.

"total denial and suppression in this country
about any ALTERNATIVE treatments"

Could this be because most of these don't work for most people? Depression is not a game. Many people die who have depression. A medical doctor can't screw around prescribing things that have not be scientifically proven to signifigantly work with most people when his patient could very well die if he doesn't not prescribe something he knows works.

It sounds like you came to the conclusion in your mind that SSRIs wouldn't work for you (which may explain why you quit on day one) and that alternative solutions would. Therefore in your mind the alternative solution is working and an SSRI will not. You defeated the SSRI before you even gave it a chance.

"You are NOT my doctor, and have NO authority to diagnose
what happened to me on one dose of Zoloft in a few
short hours."

No, but I've heard it from many medical doctors that a single dose does nothing. Sorry to have to tell you that. I also find this statement ironic since you take it on your self to go around telling others that SSRIs won't work for them and alternative treatments will.

"We are clearly operating from different research knowledge
on this topic, therefore, I do not see how we can have a
thoughtful and RESPECTFUL discussion on this topic."

Again you try to dismiss everything. You remind me of a religious fundamentalist. Once scientific evidence is brought to you it's immediately dimissed and you either shut down conversation or pretend you have a better source of information than people much more qualified (in this case medical doctors).

[Name removed]

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[Willy Lee]

81. Actually- cancer drugs CAN kill the person with cancer.

Most chemotherapy drugs do not target the tumor itself. They target rapidly dividing cells, including tumor cells as well as skin, hair, and GI tract. Hence mouth sores, baldness and GI problems during chemotherapy.

Many people die from chemotherapy before the cancer kills them. Many chemo drugs are themselves known cancer causing agents so often in survivors cancer recurs years later from their treatment.

So you claim that the poster is "ignorant" and subsequent analogy is, well, ignorant.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

54. SSRIs may cause behavioral activation in an otherwise suicidal person.

The optimal therapy for chronic depression is medication + cognitive-behavior therapy. The problem lies not in the medication, but in the failure of insurance companies and the government to MANDATE the combination of meds & psychotherapy.

Behavioral activation following SSRI (and other anti-depressant medication) use is LONG KNOWN to the medical community and psychologists in particular. The deaths surrounding SSRI use (particularly in the young) are the RESULT OF POOR TREATMENT AND FOLLOW-UP and NOT the medication itself.

You should focus your anger on the insurance companies (i.e., parity for mental health coverage) involved in weakening the proper mileau of treatment for psychiatric disorders. Insurance companies are often only willing to pay for medication, but NOT the additional and necessary component of cognitive-behavior therapy and patient follow-up.

JB

[SGBL]

55. Uh no thanks

"failure of insurance companies and the government to MANDATE"

I'll trust a medical doctor to make medical decisions for me over an insurance company. I agree therapy and meds are needed together. Most doctors know this and want this - the problem is the insurance company won't PAY for it. They don't need to mandate anything - they just need to PAY for medical care instead of paying the CEO.

I agree the insurance companies have screwed medecine and health in this nation. Almost everytime I go to the doctor I hear a nurse or doctor say that.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

59. My bad...should read "mandate payment of combined med & psych"

Agreed on all points. Sorry for the bad edit.

JB

[Name removed]

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[elehhhhna]

31. ECT worked for Granpa after all else whausted, and that ws

30 years ago! Worked like a charm, no long-term side effects. Outpatient treatment, IIRC.

[salvorhardin]

60. Post-mordem?

SO... do you mean post-mortem? I wasn't aware you could be depressed after you were dead!

[BigTentDemocrat]

61. Maybe the late periducts in the body are to blame (n/t)

[BeHereNow]

66. Isn't that the name of a recently tombstoned poster?

Late Periduct?
BHN

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

75. Bad humours leaking from the body after death...

...maybe the bile of depressed folks leaks out after death, hence the old saying "the smell of death." Sounds catching!

JB

[Mizmoon]

11. Not everyone opposed to coercive psychiatry is a Scientologist

in fact, some psychiatrists themselves are against coercive psychiatry. Don't let a few nut jobs distract from a real issue - Pharma and her minions have undue influence over mental health treatment.

[BeHereNow]

20. Thank you!

Someone needed to point that out.
I am NOT a Scientologist, but I am extremely against
the over medication of Americans for mental health
issues that CAN be addressed and CORRECTED, long term
by supplementation with NATURAL compounds
RECOGNIZED by the human body over TOXIC imitations
synthesized to mimic them PURELY for profit by the
pharma cartel.
BHN

[earth mom]

74. I am SO with you on this!

I have a son who is autistic-as soon as I found out his diagnosis and did some reading, I put him on a special diet, give him dietary supplements both of which have improved behaviors such as poor eye contact, hyperactivity and sleeping issues. Some docs dismiss this approach without investigating alternative methods further and instead turn to medications like Ritalin for these kids. While other docs have seen the results of the alternative approach first hand and recommend it to their patients.

It's SO obvious that medical and pharmaceutical industries have by and large morphed into MAJOR profit making ventures so that it's not about what's best for the patient anymore, but what's best for the bottom line. It's disgusting! People should know this and not blindly go along with what the doc prescribes. The doc isn't always right! They don't know everything! Or enough! If the truth be told! :puke:

p.s. I'm not a Scientologist either. But I do like Tom Cruise! ;)

[elehhhhna]

30. No new recruitment if people are 'level'. Psychs, Churches and cults ALL

market to the same group. Only the pychs can help, imho.

[HysteryDiagnosis]

10. Not true. Look up hippocampus & SSRI

Save it for the rubes.....

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[kineneb]

16. Hi, and yes the SSRIs work.

I am living proof. I have had multiple major depressive episodes throughout my life as well as low-level depression in between. Without the meds I cannot function and spiral into suicidal thoughts with OCD and panic problems as well. What ever side effects they have, it is worth it for me and my family for me to continue my course of medication. The alternative is a living hell.

[gulfcoastliberal]

73. Dude, it's the taxpayer-funded NIH that does most of the research

Not the Phrma association.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

76. Uh, no...dude. NIH has failed to grow their funding of projects for years

As someone who actually relies upon governmental funding for a job, I can tell you for certain that the fundable level of projects has risen from the top 15% to the top 5% of applications. This move is not a QA procedure, but it necessitated by budgetary restrictions within NIH due to underfunding by Congress.

Pharma picks up the shortfall and this trend has increased exponentially in the last 5-8 years.

Former kind soul,
JB

[G_j]

15. I know very little about this subject

but one thing you point out here is stress.
I would like to think that people are thinking about how to lessen stress in our children. If we don't deal with this issue, then I imagine there will be more and more drugs prescribed.
I hope as a society we can begin to look deeper into why we are getting more stressed out by the day.

It's my observation that Bush himself as cranked up the stress level across the board.

[elehhhhna]

32. Depression goes up as exercise goes down, I betcha.

[AngryWhiteLiberal]

5. Here comes the Scientologist Anti-Psychiatry Propaganda Bullshit

I would encourage all here to Google "Scientology" and "Anti-Psychiatry" and you will see that this CULT has been working for more than a decade to kill modern psychiatric practice. Sadly, it looks as though this CULT suspects that Dems are more gullable and will buy into their ulter motives to spread their wacky bullshit.

www.quackwatch.com

JB

[BeHereNow]

8. Having tried BOTH pharma and natural methods...

I SWEAR by NATURAL orthomolecular which instead of
MASKING symptoms, actually corrects the problem
over time.
I was one of the statistic patients who experienced
an ADR (adverse drug reaction) to ONE 25mg. dose of Zoloft
within a few hours of the first dose.
What happened to me was SO frightening that I
aggressively began to research alternatives.
I am of the FIRM following convictions:
1. Because they can not predict WHO will have an ADR,
NO ONE should be given these drugs without MANDATORY
observation.
2. Pharma drugs can help some people, but should only
be used on a short term basis along with intensive
therapy and diet changes.
3. The pharma cartel has DELIBERATELY debunked and
suppressed alternative and othomolecular medicine
because they can not patent/profit from the use of them.
4. EVERYONE should do their own research and try ALL
methods possible before agreeing to pharma medications.
My two cents-
BHN

[G_j]

18. and a valuable two cents it is!

thank you, good post.

[BeHereNow]

26. Thanks- had to put it out there- I am SO sick of hearing

the "experts" who have not WALKED it.
And by that, I mean BOTH roads.
Pharma and Alternative.
find me an "expert" who knows BOTH sides of the issue
and I will show the patients who have been helped.
Not by MASKING and MANAGING their symtoms, but
through actually HEALING of the cause.
BHN

[genieroze]

19. Moore should do a documentary on this.

[MontageOfFreedom]

23. Why not, it will probably light even more fires.

[G_j]

34. New Michael Moore project gives drug companies a sick feeling

http://www.detnews.com/2004/health/0412/22/health-40252.htm

Wednesday, December 22, 2004


New Michael Moore project gives drug companies a sick feeling


America's pharmaceutical industry is putting out an advisory about the latest potential threat to its health: Michael Moore.

Moore, the filmmaker whose targets have included General Motors ("Roger & Me"), the gun lobby (the Oscar-winning "Bowling for Columbine") and President Bush ("Fahrenheit 9/11"), has now set his sights on the healthcare industry, including insurance companies, HMOs, the Food and Drug Administration -- and drug companies.

At least six of the nation's largest companies already have issued internal notices to their work forces, preparing them for potential ambushes.

"We ran a story in our online newspaper saying Moore is embarking on a documentary -- and if you see a scruffy guy in a baseball cap, you'll know who it is," said Stephen Lederer, a spokesman for Pfizer Global Research and Development.

In September and October, GlaxoSmithKline, the second-largest in retail sales, as well as AstraZeneca and Wyeth, sent out Moore alerts, instructing employees that questions posed by the media or filmmakers should be handled by corporate communications.
..more..

[Nikki Stone 1]

22. Some kids need meds, but the drug companies are really pushing for $$

Lots of overmedication as a result.

I thought the Chimp believed in praying your problems away. :sarcasm:

[BeHereNow]

24. NoFreeLunch.org

I really think you should take a look a a couple of
web sites before you discuss the medication "needs"
of children.
http://www.adhdfraud.org/
http://www.nofreelunch.org/aboutus.htm

Wanna talk about the number of foster kids and
inmates being used as guinea pigs by the pharma cartel?

You should, you are paying for it.
BHN

[Liberty Belle]

27. Even Phyllis Schafly opposes this!

Phyllis Schlafly, author of "No Child Left Unmedicated," raises several valid questions. What are the rights of youth and parents to refuse or opt out of such screening? Will they face threats of removal from school, if they refuse privacy-invading interrogations or medications? How will a child remove a stigmatizing label from his records?

(Can we use this as a "wedge issue" to drive pro-life, fundamentalist mothers to turn on Bush?)

[elehhhhna]

33. ...also, how shoud my child score so h/she will be unqualified for future

military drafts.

[bobthedrummer]

37. Somewhere along the line these untested and sometimes defective

but powerful drugs became another form of mind control. The entire War on Drugs is a scam that profits the biggest dope dealer in the world, the BFEE.

Our kids are put on these terrible untested drugs by corrupt government programs, often erasing parental rights.

This looks like a longitudinal research project, primarily affecting US military families imho.

[BeHereNow]

41. Hear, hear! Bob check out this site:

http://www.adhdfraud.com
I have met the physician who runs it and he is
an amazing man.
BHN

[SGBL]

43. Untested? What are you talking about?

In order for a drug to be on the market they have to pass EXTENSIVE FDA testing in the form of three phases. The testing is so restrictive that MOST drugs do NOT make it through the testing and never end up on the market.

Medical doctors with FAR more education and experience than you have tested and approved these drugs using reliable scientific conditions. Sorry, but I'll take the judgement of a medical doctor over you.

[bobthedrummer]

45. Get real, most drugs ARE NOT tested on under 18 years

ask your doctor.

[BeHereNow]

48. Sadly Bob- I must tell you this:

In reality, a LARGE number of foster kids are used as
human lab rats by the pharma cartel for clinical trial drug testing.
The same is true of incarcerated men and women in this country.
BHN

[BeHereNow]

53. More on Foster kid drugging-

Read it and weep Bob...
BHN
http://www.newstarget.com/002361.html
Why would a child as young as three years old ever be on mind-altering drugs?
* For the past eight months, the News 4 WOAI Trouble Shooters have poured through reams of state documents and discovered thousands of foster kids appear to be on powerful psychotropic drugs.
* "We didn't even know he was in the hospital until he called us from Laurel Ridge himself," a woman we'll refer to as "Magdalana" tells us.
* A sampling of state records released by the State Comptroller's office shows two out of three foster kids in texas appear to be on psychotropic meds.
* At the risk of losing her job, a Child Protective Services worker spoke to the Trouble Shooters following a hearing by State Rep. Carlos Uresti last month.
* She talked about one child on seventeen different medications.
* Tanji Patton recently asked the President and CEO of the Children's Shelter in San Antonio, Jack Downey, "How big a problem do you think this is?"
* Sure it's legal, but what does a radiologist know about a child's mental health?
* The Trouble Shooters also found some of these doctors have documented drug problems of their own.
* The Texas State Board of Medical Examiners put Dr. Sargent on probation in recent months because state records show he was busted for prescribing narcotics to himself, his girlfriend and her son.
* Another doctor who shows up as a frequent prescriber on state records is Dr. Benny Fernandez, the medical director at Laurel Ridge Psychiatric Hospital.
* He says psychotropics are necessary for a lot of these kids.
* Child advocates in Florida have been trying to get laws passed to protect children from being over medicated.
* Tanji says, "Psychiatrists and people on the other side will say 'these are sick kids.

[SGBL]

51. What do you want them to do?

I took SSRIs when I was under 18 and they worked well for me.

What are medical doctors supposed to do? You are actually COMPLAINING that experimental drugs aren't tested on kids when they aren't even approved yet for adults? Do you have any idea how unethical that is? Oh hello five your old timmy. We're going to give you this experimental drug. Tell us how it works OK?

I'll ask YOU to get real on that one. No medical doctor that isn't a nazi is going to want to test exprimental drugs on minors when they aren't even approved for adults at the time.

[BeHereNow]

56. I repeat: You are SO uninformed on this topic.

PLEASE, take the time to do some research before you
continue spouting off on this thread.
BHN

http://www.infowars.com/print/misc/infantguineapigs.htm
"Young Children and Babies Used as Lab Rats in Drug Trials

London Observer| April 4 2004

Orphans and babies as young as three months old have been used as guinea pigs in potentially dangerous medical experiments sponsored by pharmaceutical companies, an Observer investigation has revealed.

British drug giant GlaxoSmithKline is embroiled in the scandal. The firm sponsored experiments on the children from Incarnation Children's Centre, a New York care home that specialises in treating HIV sufferers and is run by Catholic charities.

The children had either been infected with HIV or born to HIV-positive mothers. Their parents were dead, untraceable or deemed unfit to look after them.

According to documents obtained by The Observer, Glaxo has sponsored at least four medical trials since 1995 using Hispanic and black children at Incarnation. The documents give details of all clinical trials in the US and reveal the experiments sponsored by Glaxo were designed to test the 'safety and tolerance' of Aids medications, some of which have potentially dangerous side effects. Glaxo manufactures a number of drugs designed to treat HIV, including AZT. "

[SGBL]

62. Ummm

I never said that children were NOT used. Would you PLEASE tell me where I did?

I was objecting to SOMEONE ELSE who apparently WANTED children to be used.

[Name removed]

71. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bobthedrummer]

79. There are some entire classes of drugs that are not tested on those under

the age of 18 yet "prescribed" for children as young as three, these are powerful drugs and what I'm stating is absolutely true.

Also read some of the other posters comments.

[BeHereNow]

47. Do you know who foots the bill and research?

One guess.
And with due respect, you are extremely limited in your
research knowledge as well as being unalbe to learn anything
outside of your fixed belief system.
BHN

[scarletwoman]

50. "EXTENSIVE FDA testing" -- like Vioxx?

Your blind faith in the integrity of the FDA is truly touching. :eyes:

[SGBL]

52. Sometimes a drug slips through the cracks

Do you really believe all drugs will be 100% safe on approval? That's impossible.

You quote Vioxx. Ok - I can quote hundreds and hundreds of FDA approved drugs that are perfectly safe. How many unsafe ones can you quote? You've got vioxx thus far. Give me 5 more if you can. I'll give 100 safe FDA approved ones after that.

[G_j]

58. do us a favor,

(it's called education)

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[SGBL]

63. I am still waiting

please give me a list of 5 drugs pulled by the FDA after the fact. I want an actual FDA "we screwed up" ala vioxx statement. NOT some biased web site. I told you I would give you 100 good ones for every 5. Is that really too much to ask? I even put my self at a serious handicap and you still can't give me 5.

[G_j]

64. and you can keep waiting

because your 'challenge' was not made to me and I'm not wasting my time on researching for you anyway. As far as I'm concerned, the fact that there are drugs on the market that shouldn't be there and didn't prompt an "oops" is enough.

& Bias? a nonprofit, nonpartisan public interest group that does not accept funding from corporations, professional associations, or government agencies.

what would your definition of non-bias be, a "study" from a pharmaceutical company?
Do you work for one?

[BeHereNow]

65. ROLF again!

That was my question too...
"Do you work for one?"
Methinks the poster has drunk too much RX-aid.
The blind allegiance is a symtom of a well known ADR associated
with possible side effects accompanying abuse and over consumption
of RX-aid.
BHN

[G_j]

67. the side effects

of RX-aid are indeed hard to treat, but I hear the companies make huge profits off of it.


oh geez..it's just one of THOSE days! :hi:

[SGBL]

68. Yes I work for one

Pfizer paid me off to come and post messages for them. :eyes: I'm getting $5000 for this.

The fact is if you or anyone wants to make an assertion the burden of proof is on you. If someone wants to claim the FDA lets lots of bad drugs through then put up the evidence from a credible source. An interest group is inherently biased - so no, you can not use one as a primary source. If you tried that on a key research paper at any serious university you'd flunk.

You don't want to do the research to present evidence for an assertion so I shall assume the said assertion is based on nothing. Finding five drugs when so many are claimed to have slipt through the cracks wouldn't take much time. So I shall assume that excuse is BS as well.

Further, I want to make medical choices my self. You and I are told what side effects might occur prior to taking a drug. It is up to YOU and ME to decide for OURSELVES if those risks are something we want to accept. I have not been to a pharmacy in my life that does not provide papers with those risks when I get a prescription. I don't mind the FDA allowing drugs with side effects on the market so long as those effects are made public. When you are given a prescription you can ask your doctor what known side effects exist and YOU get to decide if you want to take that drug or not.

Everyone knows there is an inherent risk in taking any drug no matter how much testing is performed. If you don't want to take that risk then don't take the drug.

I have evaluated the risks of SSRIs and *I* have decided that for ME it is worth the risk. I have not experienced any negative effects, and I have only been helped. That's ME. It might be different for others and that's why it ultimately is up to you and your doctor to watch out for your health, not the FDA that's never met you and has no idea how YOU in particular might respond to a drug - just how others have.

[G_j]

69. again

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http://motherjones.com/news/feature/1995/09/regush.html

Migraine Killer

News: Imitrex, a popular new drug for treating migraines, has been associated with hundreds of life-threatening problems and deaths. So why do the FDA and Glaxo, the drug's manufacturer, both claim that it's safe?

September/October 1995 Issue

[BeHereNow]

57. ROLF...

Hello my friend.
Good to see you.
:hug:
BHN

[bleedingheart]

77. The big problem is that the FDA is now allowed to accept "bribes"

to help push some drugs through a fast-track.

So a lot of drugs are passed to push up corporate profits...and all based on studies paid for by big Pharma.

[Bridget Burke]

78. How many drugs have been taken off the market in the last year?

Sorry--the FDA has gotten quite lax in testing drugs.

[bobthedrummer]

80. Many of these chemical/pharmaceutical companies also produce toxins

then they offer drugs as a cure after you've been poisoned by their other products.

Poison for Profit
http://www.redflagsweekly.com/storm_warnings/poison.html