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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:43 PM
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Poll question: How is Clark standing on the DU?
Some serious skeletons had started to jump out of Clark's closet.

FAIR has recently questioned Clarks anti war position. http://www.fair.org/press-releases/clark-antiwar.html To my knowledge, Clark has made no attempt to address this aspect of his record. Either way, a fire storm of flame wars has suddenly swept the DU, and its getting worse. But before I go on, I am curse what the standing of the board truly happens to be.








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IranianDemocrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:44 PM
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1. Ok who the hell answered the last option?
Only an idiot or freeper would.
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dweller Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:48 PM
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3. for all i know
it could have been you.
are you calling out freepers or idiots?
you should read the posting rules.

dp
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onehandle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 11:06 PM
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19. Bingo!
DU is full of them.
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disgruntella Donating Member (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:46 PM
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2. I guess nobody gets to support Clark because he's a great candidate?
Edited on Wed Sep-17-03 09:47 PM by disgruntella
Only because "he can beat Bush"?

I support Clark, but not exclusively, and not just because "he can beat Bush." I am also waiting to hear more, although I know a little. Since that kind of honest, positive support is nowhere to be found on your poll, I did't vote in it.
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:50 PM
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5. Your point is taken.
I will keep it in mind next time I post this in one week.
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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:27 PM
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17. I like Clark.
And what I like about him tells me he can beat Bush. He's telegenic, well spoken, intelligent and finally can talk about the opposition without being insulting.

The last part may not sound like much to the true blue Democrats on this board but it goes a long way in persuading the independant voter and those Republicans (they really do exist) who have second thoughts about G DUHbya.
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illini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:49 PM
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4. I like Clark :)
What I have seen of him.
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PurityOfEssence Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:51 PM
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6. Can we have another version of this poll?
This seems tilted to make Clark look adored.

How about a straight yes or no, or something like that.
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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:10 PM
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13. This is not a yes or no question.
Their seems to be sevral catigories of suport. At one extreem is the "I will only vote for X, or not at all" while at the other end you will find the "I will never vote for X, I will just stay home." And of course sevral difrent grades of suport in between them. Each oppinion is valid.

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DrBB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 09:54 PM
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7. Here's what Clark was saying about the war in FEBRUARY
February 17, to be precise:

US becoming a colonial power: Wesley Clark

<snip>
"We are at a turning point in America's history. We are about to embark on an operation that is going to put us in a colonial position in the Middle East following Britain."
 
It is a huge change for the American people and what this country stands for, he said.
 
The Bush administration, he said, has not respected its allies and that is why it finds itself without the support of many Nato allies and even in those countries prepared to support the US, public opinion is against the war. Iraq, could have been contained without war, he said.

Clark also warned against a civil war in Iraq after the present regime is removed because of the ethnic and religious divisions in the country--Kurds in the north, Shiites who constitute the majority in the country, and Sunnis who now wield power.
</snip>

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?artid=37738538
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otohara Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:00 PM
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8. Here's What He Said In April
As for the political leaders themselves, President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt.


What Must Be Done to Complete a Great Victory
by General Wesley Clark

Can anything be more moving than the joyous throngs swarming the streets of Baghdad? Memories of the fall of the Berlin Wall, and the defeat of Milosevic in Belgrade flood back. Statues and images of Saddam are smashed and defiled. Liberation is at hand. Liberation — the powerful balm that justifies painful sacrifice, erases lingering doubt and reinforces bold actions. Already the scent of victory is in the air. Yet a bit more work and some careful reckoning need to be done before we take our triumph

http://www.commondreams.org/views03/0917-14.htm
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Pastiche423 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:08 PM
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12. Wow! He sounds orgasmic!
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Redbear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:02 PM
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9. The FAIR piece criticizes the media, not Clark.
It quotes him as saying that he would have never gotten us into the mess Bush did, but that once Bush's bluff was called, Bush had to go forward. Clark wasn't anti-war in the sense that many of us were. His concerns appeared to be more broad than that. The lack of planning, the lack of foresight, the inability to work with our allies. Im also not concerned about his WMD answers. Several Senators including Sen. Clinton said much the same thing. They were all relying on the intelligence they were given. They didn't know what they were being fed was garbage. As much as anything else, that may have pushed Clark to run.
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twilight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:04 PM
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10. I strongly dislike career military generals
and I seriously doubt I'd vote for Clark. He is not my "cup of tea" ... sorry
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Shipwack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:21 PM
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15. Not to pick nits, but...
Has there ever been a general within in the past 100 years that wasn't "career" or "military"?* (I put in the time frame because I seem to recall stories of staff positions being for sale during the Civil War...)

In ant event, two president-generals that did well were Washington and Eisenhower...

Surgeon General doesn't count... :D
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:08 PM
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11. Your next to the last option is worded wrong
I will vote for Clark if he wins the prim, but not in the prim

I think you meant to say that one "will vote for Clark if he wins the nomination, but not in the prim."

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Code_Name_D Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:23 PM
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16. Had to abrevate becase of the feild.
I trust every one gets the gist
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John_H Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:16 PM
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14. He's polling at ten to DG, HD, and JL' s11-13. according to the first poll
that includes him.

As far as the right wingers on TV and wherever else the little chihuahuas are ayapin', I can only say "man, y'all smell like ya shit yerselves."
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ButterflyBlood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 10:30 PM
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18. should be another option
for those who feel Clark is the best candidate, but not the only one capable of beating Bush. At the rate things are going it's possible a real chimp could beat Bush in 2004.
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Room101 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 11:16 PM
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20. Clark is my #2 guy
Take our country back DEAN. I'm wishing for a Dean/Clark or Clark/Dean ticket.
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burr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Sep-17-03 11:23 PM
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21. Keeping an open mind on the primary candidates...
except Lieberman and Edwards. I would not consider either one for the nomination!

So I guess this cuts my list down to eight. Out of these, only four have thus far released detailed plans for implimenting near-universal healthcare. Only two have embraced the complete repeal of shrub's taxcuts. And only five, six counting Clark, opposed the invasion of Iraq...all for differing reasons.

So until I decide which primary candidate has the necessary vision, record, and intelligence to be the nominee...my mind is open. But not for very long!!!



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