To any one who is a China apologist and claims to be liberal or progressiv

[Sephirstein]

http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/china/china.htm

None of this happens in Taiwan. :)

[joe_momma]

1. are you trying to point out that China is repressive....<eom?

[Sephirstein]

2. lol...

I'm trying to point out its homophobia.

The CCP is really not that different from the GOP, even though many people -- not all of whom I would classify as red fascist like the Chi"coms" -- on the far left are China apologoists

Bigoted, against religious freedom, whores itself to corporations, controls the press...

The GOP is just more subtle.

[Djinn]

11. Look closer to home Sephirstein

I don't know if anyone still pretends that China is a country to admire - in fact the vast majority dropped that after Mao "let the flowers bloom" - maybe there are a few reds still under the bed but does anyone take them seriously?

However you'll need more than your fingers and toes to count the countries that still outlaw homosexuality - have a look what Puerto Rico's legislators have to say for example.....

"Any person who has sexual intercourse with a person of his (the) same sex or commits the crime against nature with a humane being shall be punished by imprisonment for a fixed term of ten (10) years. Should there be aggravating circumstances, the fixed penalty may be increased to a maximum of twelve (12) years; if there should be extenuating circumstances, it may be reduced to a minimum of six (6) years."

China doesn't actually outlaw sodomy - it's a bit more complicated, it's seen as "unaceptable behaviour" but there isn't a law against it as such and is dealth with as an "administrative punishment" - not that that matters much in an authoritarian nation like China but right on your doorstep and under your guidance/protection (what IS the US Puerto Rico relationship anyway??) you have a mandated punishment of ten years in jail for a root! I would have thought Puerto Rico's laws would be an easier target for change for Americans concerned with gay rights?

[wuushew]

3. Are you accusing DU'ers of being China apologists?

I don't support their brutal human rights record, however nor to I view them as some menancing boogey man as do the neo-cons.

Remember the neo-cons say the missle shield is to stop chinese nuclear aggression(which is of course bullshit).

[kodi]

4. no respect is given to a govt that crushes its people under tanks

when the chinese land on the moon within a decade they will also be able to hit the entire US with nukes.

then they will exert themselves. get ready for it. it's coming.

[wuushew]

6. When 2013 rolls around and I am not dead of radiation poisoning

I will buy you a coke.

[kodi]

7. the threat is all that is necessary or dont you understand that?

once the chinese can destroy the US they will exert more pressure to reclaim taiwan and insist that india back down with pakistan because the US will no longer be able to support india as it has without fear of nuclear retaliation.

the chinese govt is planning decades into the future, the americans, as usual, look only to the next election.

[Brian Sweat]

5. Not all DU'ers, but there are a small number here.

Just like the love affair with Castro. Not everyone here thinks he is a great leader, but there are a few.

[Sephirstein]

15. I don't love Castro but...ummm...

He's better than Batista. :)

[jafap]

8. not sorry for my picture of Chairman Mao

I would like to thank the people of China for my new Trek 7100. I love this new bike. Also, looking at a few other countries I noticed that Germany repealed its laws in 1968 and Israel in 1988. The Chinese are a little bit behind, but which way are they moving? They also seem to be ahead of India in this matter.
http://www.sodomylaws.org/world/india/india.htm

China needs to be defended a little when it is demonized by the capitalist running-dogs.

[fabius]

9. Not a fan of China.

China's just turning from a Communist totalitarian state into a fascist state. Lot of progress here!

Probably not quite as ugly these days as under the "Cultural Revolution".

[eridani]

12. Point of information

'Capitalist' Taiwan has Single Payer health insurance, and 'Communist' China doesn't.

[w4rma]

13. I am in full agreement, fabius

China is a fascist state. It is no longer Communist, but it is still totalitarian, except now it is capitalist:

PBS: So it's no longer a communist state?
Kissinger: I don't consider China a communist state, no. I know that sounds paradoxical, but it's my view.

PBS: It's not a party of the workers and the peasants?
Kissinger: Certainly not a party of the workers and the peasants. In fact, Jiang Zemin in recent weeks has officially said that capitalists and the entrepreneurs should be enrolled in the Communist Party.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/china/interviews/kissinger.html

[Merlin]

10. China is not threat to the world. That's reality, not apologia.

When you visit China, you develop an appreciation for the difficulties the country is facing internally. It is enormous turmoil--at a level just short of revolutionary--surrounding its economic advancements. There are serious disparities, serious issues regarding dislocations, internal disputes over democracy, enormous social change brought about by attempting (and so far succeeding) to achieve a century's worth of economic progress in a generation. Their politicians can't possibly even think of world hegemony. They've got their hands so full, it's unfathomable.

If you visit, you will quickly come to understand what I am saying. Here's a small example. Less than 1% of the public owned automobiles as of 2 years ago. Yet every single main road in Beijing was jammed, bumper to bumper, all day long with taxi and truck and bike traffic. And I'm talking 6 lane wide roads and limited access superhighways surrounding the city.

Now, because of enormous consumer demand, they are being forced to create private property laws and consumer lending laws so as to permit people to buy cars. Think of what this will do. Think of the problems it will create!

We're talking two BILLION people. We're talking major social and economic and political upheaval. It's a huge task. I have not fears whatsoever of any expansionist tendencies.

Yes, they do indeed claim Taiwan as their own. Taiwan is their Cuba, only more so. But the USA will never permit China to take over Taiwan, no matter how many rockets they send to the moon. One day they will come together, but only long after the one nation/two systems experiment in Hong Kong is proven successful.

[Zolok]

14. China Apologists on the DU?

Can't say as I've seen too many of them...that whole student-in-front-of-the-tank thing seems to cooled everyone's Maoist ardor.
:)
Now Castro, he has his marks on the DU....this I don't deny.
But the politburo of the CCP/PRC?
Naaaw.
I don't know if the PRC is a threat to the world, I do know they are massing troops on the North Korean border....

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