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Stanchetalarooni Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:31 AM
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Is Lao Tsu's "The Art of War" the only game in town?
This book outlines how to win a war.
Is there a comparable tome on how to win the Peace?
Or is it all just War?
Kucinich has campaigned for a Peace Department within the Federal Government. What would be the guiding philosophy?
Would a Peace Department use Lao Tsu's pamphlet?
Am I asking questions out of my ass on this one?
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SOS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:34 AM
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1. Note
The Art of War was written by Sun Tzu.
Lao Tzu wrote the Tao Te Ching, which is a great little book.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:37 AM
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7. Excellent note.
And an excellent tome, that Tao Te Ching
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Roland99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:34 AM
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2. How does it compare to Machiavelli's "Art of War"?
I just started reading Machiavelli's The Discourses.
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Nicholas D Wolfwood Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:34 AM
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3. Yeah, pretty much.
"The Art of War" isn't only about military battles. Its tenets can be applied to any type of conflict.

Not to mention there are any number of different books about peace. You could start with sections of most religious texts and work your way onward from there.
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derby378 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:35 AM
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4. There's also a companion book by Sun Bin
I think he was Sun Tzu's nephew or something.
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:36 AM
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5. Actually its Sun Tzu
Edited on Wed May-04-05 11:37 AM by lenidog
Lao Tzu wrote the I Ching
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Dragonfli Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:03 PM
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13. Tao Te Ching Actually
The I Ching (Book of Changes) Is attributed to King Wen and the Duke Of Chao. Also, Many of the attached commentaries are Confucian.
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:11 PM
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14. Thank you my mistake and confusion
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:36 AM
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6. Read Martin Luther King Jr.'s books and speeches
n/t
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:43 AM
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8. And after reading MLK, Gandhi has some ideas as well
They even say that his ideas helped free the second most populous country in the world...
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wicket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:35 PM
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16. yeah- Gandhi is a given :)
MLK was hugely influenced by him. Both such amazing men.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:49 AM
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9. The Art of War doesn't really describe how to win a war
It describes how to win conflict, war being one of the tools to do so. In fact, Sun Tzu considering winning without war the highest form of 'winning'.


Now Clausewitz and Machiavelli -- that's a whole different story.
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lenidog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:15 PM
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15. Then there is the little remembered Jomini
Who actually believed that one could win a war without ever fighting a battle. You just basically keep maneuvering your forces like chess pieces until you have placed your enemy in an untenable position. Thereby they realize they are in such a position and surrender. Nice in theory but it more or less failed during the Civil War. That is why Jomini is no longer remembered.
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whistle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:52 AM
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10. You asked and google provides....
...The first of 114 steps:
<snip>

The Art of Peace
Morihei Ueshiba
Morihei Ueshiba (1883-1969) was history's greatest martial artist. He was the founder of Aikido, which can be translated as "The Art of Peace." Morihei Ueshiba is referred to by the practitioners of Aikido as O-Sensei, "The Great Teacher". The following quotations have been compiled from O-Sensei's collected talks, poems, and calligraphy, and from oral tradition.
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One
The Art of Peace begins with you. Work on yourself and your appointed task in the Art of Peace. Everyone has a spirit that can be refined, a body that can be trained in some manner, a suitable path to follow. You are here for no other purpose than to realize your inner divinity and manifest your innate enlightenment. Foster peace in your own life and then apply the Art to all that you encounter


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Two
One does not need buildings, money, power, or status to practice the Art of Peace. Heaven is right where you are standing, and that is the place to train.


<more>
<link> http://www-cse.ucsd.edu/users/paloma/Aikido/artpeace.html

...and for the kids:

http://www.art-for-peace.org/

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newportdadde Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 11:58 AM
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11. War is Peace... To Room 101 with you.
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Stanchetalarooni Donating Member (838 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed May-04-05 12:02 PM
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12. Thank you for the corrections and additions to this post.
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