Anybody here sticking with Dean depsite Clark entering the race?

[Cascadian]

I somehow feel like a little lonely by the onslaught of Clark supporters in here. Please make yourself known, loyal Deanies!

[Pepperbelly]

1. give it a rest ...

the lion's share of the posts are those smearing Clark with every nitwitted right wing smear they can find.

[Cascadian]

2. Please don't assume that!

Please don't assume that everybody who opposes Clark is a Freeper, right-winger or whatever. Why are you Clark supporters doing that?

John

[Brian Sweat]

7. He didn't say they were freepers,

he said they were using freeper smears. So quit accusing people of doing things that they are not doing.

[calimary]

77. It does seem like Clark is the "flavor of the week" as far as dumping

on candidates. He's moved Dean aside there, for sure.

[CWebster]

64. Intimidation

is why

[blm]

5. Heheh, Pepperbelly...

Welcome to Kerry's world.

;)))))))))))))

[ibegurpard]

18. Kerry created his own world

And, frankly, I can't see why you've chosen to insert yourself into this thread that wasn't a smear on Kerry anyways. It goes both ways BLM...you want civility then you can knock it off with your anti-Dean crap.
To address this poster's question: Yes, I am sticking with Dean until he wins or drops out.

[blm]

22. I was addressing Pepperbelly.

Please get a grip on yourself.

[Name removed]

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[blm]

55. Overreact much?

My post was an acknowledgement to Pepperbelly. He has done the same with me on occasion.

Why do you feel the need to be so personal and hateful to me?

[Name removed]

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[Upfront]

59. Sticking Here

Dean will win,no doubt about it. Who is this Clark? lol

[Woodstock]

68. Compulsive hatred?

That's why she's on my ignore list. They say hate is closely aligned with love. Hmmmm...

[ibegurpard]

19. Dupe

n/t

[Bread and Circus]

49. God, love ya man...

Pepperbelly, you rock. Clark needs to put you
in his cabinet. ;)

[CWebster]

66. You Clark thugs need to quit hijacking this thread

[mcaverly]

3. Can't we Have them together?

What a ticket!!!

[Pastiche423]

4. I'm sticking w/Dean!

As long as he doesn't ask clark to be his running mate.

[ComerPerro]

6. I am as well

But I would like to see Clark as his running mate.

[Bread and Circus]

50. Pastiche, Dean didn't....

ask Clark to be his VP as far as I know but I do
think he may be willing to offer him something.

If he does, will you give Clark his props.

I am just wondering seeing as how Dean has spoken
very highly of Clark.

[Woodstock]

70. I think he'd love to have him as VP

But if it was the reverse - Clark/Dean - that would be a winner, too.

I'm into beating Bush. I picked Dean as the best candidate of the nine. Clark I need to hear more about before he can surpass Dean in my book. The bottom line is, why bash someone who has the potential to appeal to many people? Let's ride this out and see where it gets us. If Dean can oust Bush, or if Clark can oust Bush, isn't that what really matters? Both are good men. The only one I'm not happy about is Lieberman, and I highly doubt he'll emerge on top of the field. We should be happy to have such a strong field of people willing to help us take back our country. I wish at some point the silly bashing would stop. True concerns, let's talk. Silly competative crap, cut it out.

[bitchkitty]

8. May the best man win -

and in my opinion, the best man is Dean.

[Emboldened Chimp]

9. I'm sticking with Dean

despite the fact that I like Clark, too. I think the race will ultimately come down to those two, but I think Dean will eke out a win, mainly because he's got a strong foothold in California. I'm guessing if Dean gets the nod, Clark will be his running mate. I believe this is why the two met last week: to discuss the possibility of one choosing the other as their veep. Also, I think they negotiated a cease fire, which would explain why Dean went after Kerry today (calling him Bush lite.) Clark sees Kerry as an obstacle and Dean helped him out by attacking Kerry.

[w13rd0]

10. I see no reason to "switch to Clark"...

...I'm sure his supporters have their reasons, some of which I've read, and I know there are plenty of Dean-haters out there as well. I deplore the conduct of many at this point, Republicans, supporters of just about every candidate out there, supporters of non-candidates, the DLC, one of the candidates... But I'm not letting all that brick-a-brack stymie me...

[Demobrat]

11. You're kidding right?

I'll dump Dean for Clark when Clark puts his career on the line for equal rights, or can talk about how many children he's insured. Whichever comes first.

[tridim]

12. I'm still 100% with Dean

I'd like to actually hear Clark speak in a few debates before I make a judgement on him. He seems like a good guy, but I need much more substance. He just entered the race yesterday for gawd's sake. Until then, I'm behind the candidate who I think has the best chance of winning.

[FarLeftRage]

13. Yes.

I'll be sooo happy when primary season comes and goes!

[knowledgeispower]

14. I go back and forth

Sometimes I think Dean, because I like his grassroots campaign. Although I am concerned by his being a fiscal conservative, because that is essentially the same as saying you are for cutting social programs (since Defense never seems to lose any ground).

Then sometimes I think I like Clark because he is a Clinton guy, and Clinton was the first Dem since FDR to be re-elected. A real political genius, and any dem he says is "one of the two stars of the party" probably has the potential to be as well. But then I remember: what did Clinton really do for the left in eight years? Balancing the budget was key, but then when the surplus came we got nothing from it.

Then sometimes I realize that the Democrats are just as wrapped up as the Republicans in this whole twisted mess we call politics. So fuck them both. Go third party. It is stupid, I know, but what can I say? I'm an idealist.

[goobergunch]

17. Don't forget Truman (n/t)

[MODemocrat]

15. I'll be with Dean from now on

Although I think Clark is a very strong and handsome man, I just don't have the enthusiasm for him that I do for DEAN.
Don't despair Cascadian, as there are a lot of us out here.

Marian

[goobergunch]

16. Yep

So far Clark has given me no reason to prefer him over Dean except that he was a general.

[indigo32]

20. I'm still here

eom

[dofus]

21. Yes.

Couldn't you tell that very few Dean supporters have abandoned him?

[CentristDemocrat]

23. I hope you all support Clark when/if he wins the nomination.

eom

[mike_c]

24. so far I'm very leery of Clark....

And not because of any RW arguments against his candidacy. Rather, as I've said elsewhere, Clark hasn't really yet addressed most of the issues that are most important to me, and I am not at all comfortable with installing a career military officer with no experience in civil governance in the WH. Still, I welcome his primary candidacy because frankly, a wider field will likely lead to a greater number of issues being aired.

I'm much more comfortable with Dean, although he's not my ideal candidate by any means. I'm much more liberal than Dean. However, his outspoken opposition to the invasion of Iraq at a time when many of his fellow democrats were stumbling over themselves to betray their constituencies and bend over for Bush* goes a long way for me. Although Clark has expressed opposition to the invasion, he was not nearly so vocal at the time (as I recall), and he was certainly willing to cozy up to CNN and their promotion of the invasion as the next best thing since the NFL. All in all too eager to be perceived as a professional soldier for my comfort.

[Cascadian]

25. That's exactly how I feel right now.

I am interested in how he feels about the Project for a New American Century. Would he support it? I just get an uneasy feeling about him. As of now, I would rather continue my support for Dean.

[zeemike]

42. No reason to switch

I am not going to be stampeded into someone’s camp by the media or a deluge of Clark supporters on this or any other board.

[denverbill]

26. I'm still with Dean.n/t

[readmylips]

27. Dean supporter here, and all my Deaners will stay Deaners....

If Clark wins, we'll support Clark but will vote Dean in the primaries.

Don't feel so lonely, there are thousands of Deaners meeting across the country, this Sept. 20th. Find a place near your home and rejoince

[KoKo]

28. Yes! N/T

n/t

[madfloridian]

30. Sticking with Dean.

:hi:

[LeftofU]

31. Dean supporter here but I am seriously looking at Clark..n/t

[dfong63]

32. you're kidding right? go DEAN

switch to Clark, the reagan-voting money-raiser-for-republicans who just joined the dem party a couple weeks ago? no way.

[Pastiche423]

35. You forgot...

Likes the PNACers and would like to work w/them again.

[artr2]

33. Dean would have to give * a ...

Big old slurpy, lot's of tounge kiss before I would abandon him. If he does, he might ask Joe how * likes it

[BuelahWitch]

34. I'm sticking with Dean too

I like Clark but I was happy with Dean before and I'm still happy with him.

[dajabr]

36. Still "In it to WIN it!" with Dean n/t

[Orangepeel]

37. Sure. Dean's the same candidate he was yesterday

an energetic, exciting leader with a strong record as governor, sensible foreign policy ideas, socially liberal positions, and a proven ability to balance budgets and expand health care coverage.

I have nothing against Clark and welcome him to the race. But I'm not going to switch to what is essentially a unknown quantity just because he looks good in a uniform. When I've heard him debate and gotten a chance to assess his positions, I might reassess (but I doubt it). I'm happy with my choice.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

38. Now, more than ever: DEAN

Besides, I'd have to peel that bumpersticker off my car...what a pain...

[unfrigginreal]

39. Absolutely...I gave Clark a chance to woo me over before I commited.

He chose not to by sitting out for several weeks after he said he would announce. I think that he'll be a great candidate but unless Dean falls on his face or Wes does something outstanding, I can't see changing my allegience from Dean.

[MercutioATC]

40. Dean! Still Dean!

Clark makes an interesting addition, but I haven't heard nearly enough about his domestic policies. Regardless, I do know Dean's policies and I agree with the vast majority of them. I'm sticking with Dean.

[liberalmuse]

41. Still with Dean...

And I plan to be, unless someone else nabs the nomination.

[bookman]

43. Don't forget..

..these are two fine men. Choose your favorite. I'd like to see both of them in the next administration.

[bookman]

44. Don't forget..

..these are two fine men. Choose your favorite. I'd like to see both of them in the next administration.

[absolutezero]

45. i thought i'd switch over to clark

but I still prefer dean...he's tied for 2nd with edwards though.

I think it's because the only thing he really has over the other candidates is foreign policy, and military backround. He's not more electable than all the other dems, and his stance on most of the domestic policy is almost the same as everyone else's.

IMHO I think he'd do better as a veep

[Room101]

46. Dean here

I welcome Clark in the race. A Dean/Clark ticket wins the white house.

[hedda_foil]

47. Now more than EVER.

Dean looks better than ever and Clark is looking like a huge disappointment on all fronts but especially, as Tinoire said in another thread:

The problem with Clark is not his military service. We could care less about that. The problem with Clark is that he has troubling links to Acxiom, Jackson Stephens, Markle Foundation, the DLC and NDN, CSIS and comes pushing an agenda of Homeland Security.

It is those things about Clark that are a liability to the democratic cause.

[newsguyatl]

48. dean all the way

i'm more for dean now than i've ever been...

[AWD]

51. I'm sticking with Dean

Dean is my man for this race.

But frankly, Wesley Clark scares me....but then I remember that if Clark beats Dean for the nomination, it's still in my party. The Democratic Party.

And that makes me happy.

I may be sticking with Dean, but I just might send Clark a little cash. I'm donating to Kucinich on Sunday (I've been invited to speak at a fundraiser), so why not give to Clark too???

[gully]

52. Clark was not what I expected after all the hype...

I don't think we've seen him stand the test of time and the RW slander that is about to begin. I actually found him to be quite soft spoken and frankly un-interesting? Perhaps I'll catch him again and change that opinion.

But, for me, it's Dean all the way! He and Clark share the same philosophies on most every issue. But, Deans experience in Governing a state is appealing to me personally. I have a better idea of what I'm getting.

[dean4america]

53. hell yes

i'm with dean until the end.

[MGKrebs]

54. Still a Deanie.

Howard's going to have to screw up pretty badly for me to switch. Clark just getting in is not a good enough reason. I don't even know enough about him to know if I like him or not.

[JNelson6563]

56. Still supporting Dean

You're not alone by any means! :hi:

Julie

[Mass_Liberal]

57. ME!

still a deanie and proud of it


Dean 04'

[LWolf]

58. No.

But then, I wasn't supporting Dean to begin with! Clark does not impress me. At all. He doesn't generate a bit of my interest. So I'll stick with my guy despite Clark's entering the race.

For what it's worth, between the 2, I'd prefer Dean to Clark.

[OneBlueSky]

60. I'm far more likely to supprt Dean after reading this . . .

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=103&topic_id=11938

[CMT]

61. of course

I'm solid for the Doc. By the way, I've seen more Kerry people on DU switch to Clark than Dean people.

[MisterP]

62. still fond of Dean

Clark is #2 or 3, mebbe 4 (for me, at least)

[CWebster]

63. ABSOLUTELY

My decision to support Dean was not a casual process like some prepubescent overnight crush on the latest pop star. I thought about it and studied and read and watched and compared and debated for months and months before my support was solidified. It was a weighty consideration not a flighty momentary flash in the pan. He has earned my ongoing repect with his demonstrations of political growth and courage.

He can count on me and my vote.

[KaraokeKarlton]

65. I'm sticking with Dean

Clark is going to end up Dean's VP, so I'm not going to begrudge him some time in the spotlight. Once Dean's record 3rd quarter fundraising becomes public, Clark's time to shine will be over and it will be all about Dean's money again.

[Dude_CalmDown]

67. Well I'm not a Deanite but...

...the thing he has over Clark for me is that Clark seems to have the closest ties to Clinton and that pisses me off.

What I like about Clark is that he frightens the shit out of the pukes.

I'm the Dean, man - so that's what you call me - that or Deaner, his Deanness, El Deanerino if you're not into the whole brevity thing.

[stickdog]

69. Dean has revolutionized populist campaigning.

Clark has the backing of the establishment.

So far, it's not a very difficult choice.

[fabius]

72. Dean Represents the People !!!

We think he's wunderbar because he's an outsider !!!

[newsguyatl]

73. "Dean has revolutionized populist campaigning."

"Clark has the backing of the establishment.

So far, it's not a very difficult choice."


AMEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


i just hate that so many folks here at DU don't see this...

[Eloriel]

83. So far, it's not a choice at all.

It never was for me.

I can't imagine what it would take to blast me away from Dean. Some humongous scandal proving he's not the man I thought he was, and I'm pretty sure that's not going to happen.

Eloriel

[RandomKoolzip]

71. Yo! Dean is still my guy.

Clark looked good to me from afar, but since announcing his bid, all sorts of bad things about him have emerged....I don't think I could support a guy like that, but if he gets the nod, then I'll vote for ANYBODY but Bush.

[VOX]

74. Will stick with Dean, but will give Clark a long look...

He'll have to do some pretty amazing things to woo me away from Dean.

Clark is still something of a cypher -- I just don't have a feel for who he is yet.

A the end, though, I'll be supporting the Democratic candidate who runs against *, whoever that may be.

[calimary]

76. I'm still a Deanie.

I will vote for whomever goes up against bush. Certainly if it winds up being Clark, I'll vote for him. But for now, I'm still a Deanie.

[Ellen Forradalom]

78. I have no reason to switch

And no reason to accuse Clark supporters of getting chocolate in my peanut butter. They may be two great tastes who taste great together!

[LoZoccolo]

79. DEANOCRAT

Yep. Don't think that Clark can pull it off. Never campaigned before. Never faced this political climate before. Doesn't have the infrastructure Dean has.

[LoZoccolo]

80. PS...

...oh yes, we're gonna try to pull this forty-million-dollar thing off this quarter, right guys?

[depakid]

81. With Dean all the way, baby

I'm also beginning to have some doubts about Clark that I didn't have before after reading this letter from the Times UK that revently resurfaced at Sommon Dreams.

Most of it is just the usual puffery and "military speak," but this quote went way too far:

As for the political leaders themselves, President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt.

[depakid]

82. With Dean all the way, baby

I'm also beginning to have some doubts about Clark that I didn't have before after reading this letter from the Times UK that revently resurfaced at Common Dreams.

Most of it is just the usual puffery and "military speak," but this quote went way too far:

As for the political leaders themselves, President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so much doubt.

[janx]

84. ARE YOU KIDDING? I admire Clark,

but I think he needs some more experience before running for president. He would make a fine addition to any administration, but he needs a little more time and experience as an executive.

What is this knee-jerk response, in power broker circles, to go military? Has our country decided that everything is military these days? Please don't misunderstand me--we will always need a strong military--but what are we becoming?

[sham]

85. I'm sticking with Dean.

I've seen no reason to switch.

Wesley Clark can have my support if (and ONLY if) he wins the nomination. Until then, I'm confident that I'm backing the right guy.

Glad to see so many Dean-ites have kept their wits about them during the Clark onslaught of the past few days.
:hi:

[LSdemocrat]

86. Dean all the way!