ATTENTION: I am starting a NEW DU Group

[ShaneGR]

I will initially call it the DU Dem Brigade. The Dem Brigade will be dedicated to fighting the increasing number of "Anti-Dem" or "Anti-Dem Candidate" threads that I feel are ruining this board.

Ask yourself if you felt Bush would be in this much trouble by now? How did you feel when Bush flew onto that aircraft carrier? Did you know that he was a liar? Did you have any idea how he would be proven to be a liar within six short months? If someone had told you how much trouble Bush would be in, would you have thought DU would be filled with so many hateful anti-Dem posts???

Well, since this board is meant to provide a forum for left-leaning individuals to practice open discussion, what better way to do that than to create a "faction" of likeminded individuals dedicated to two things:

1. Getting out the truth about the Bush Administration.

2. Defending Dem candidates from unwarranted attack by posting within those attack threads or simply posting something about Bush or something POSITIVE about the particular Dem candidate who is under attack.

Dean, Kerry, Kucinich, Graham, Edwards, Braun, Lieberman, Clark, Sharpton and Gephardt supporters are welcome to join. Anybody But Bush!

Email me at [e-mail] to announce your intention to join and we will get ourselves organized.

Kick this thread if you like the idea.


EDIT: I've noticed some negative posts from people questioning the idea of organizing this kind of a group. Democracy works best when like-minded individuals organize themselves. If you don't like that, you don't like Democracy.

[goobergunch]

1. kick

:kick:

[ShaneGR]

2. Yay!

I got kicked!

[West Coast Democrat]

3. Kick

I'm still undecided, but only because all of the candidates are so good.

[nostamj]

4. ABB

since I don't/won't read the candidate threads, there's VERY little to read in GD anymore.

(you all do know that KKKarlRove jacks off to those threads, don't you? - and that's just based on the subject lines)

[FarLeftRage]

5. Great!

I can ask the timely question:

Why are you the way you are?

[ShaneGR]

7. Because I want ABB......

Anybody!!!

I'm adding the emails to the group list right now!

[FarLeftRage]

10. That is fine...

My goal was to ask this question to those who seek to divide, inflame and intentionally cause hurt.

That's all.

[efhmc]

6. I like the idea.

[absolutezero]

8. kick

:kick:

[gully]

9. YOU know I'm there!!

What an excellent idea! :toast:

PS perhaps we could chose a like avatar or sigline to distinguish ourselves?

[gully]

11. Note my Democratic recognition thread.

http://democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=351867

We have to eliminate spin regardless of which side is doing it!

[shirlden]

12. Well....Ok for a fellow Buckeye

I pass over all the threads about candidates. I am not ready to decide just yet who I do want. Negativity and flame wars will not sway me at all. I am a definite ABB.

:kick:

[ShaneGR]

15. Das ist gut!

:-)

[Girlfriday]

13. Kick

Just to halt the divide and conquer strategy.....take that Rove!:kick:

[hippiegranny]

14. kick it

:kick:

so SICK of the infighting here i (almost) am tempted to stay away for a while.

bash bush all you want, fellow dems, but try to understand that each and every dem candidate brings SOMETHING good to the table and we want to highlight the good so the eventual candidate that goes toe to toe with junior can pool all of that to give that little shit the biggest spanking of his life!

let's work together to send the lying scummy squatter back to texas for good!

[Iverson]

16. bit of advice

You have listed Clark twice and Sharpton not at all. You may want to be aware.

[Iverson]

37. You're entirely welcome.

n/t

[ShaneGR]

61. oops, thanks!

hehe

[DoYouEverWonder]

17. Why aren't most of these threads

in the Politics and Campaigns section?

I wish the mods were as strict about keep all the campaign threads in the right section, like they are when it comes to discussing Israel/Palastine issues. You mention Isreal in a thread and the mods are jumping on it instantly but it's okay for GD to be flooded with candidate pro/bashing threads? Personally, with the world falling apart around us, I think we have bigger fish to fry at the moment.

[nomaco-10]

18. Kick

I'm always looking for an alternative forum to get together with fellow democrats whose goal is to unite and organize to get the chimp and his corrupt administration out of office in 2004. Sounds like a winner to me.

[ShaneGR]

19. Cool

I'll be grouping everone's emails and sending out an email (The First official DU Dem Brigage email) to everyone by tomorrow! The goal is to have 25 people before I send the first one.

[Uzybone]

20. kick

:kick:

[Q]

21. Or...you could call yourself the 'McCarthy' Brigade...

...or the 'I can't debate my way out of a paper bag' brigade so I'll form a group to intimidate others who think differently.

- I'll look forward to debating you on my next 'anti-Dem' thread.

[ShaneGR]

22. Hmmmm..........

Negative post. I guess this means you're not joining up? lol.

I've got over 10 people now! Keep sending in your emails people!

[GreenArrow]

60. don't sweat it...

you'll probably end up on ignore.

[FlemingsGhost]

23. A splinter group. Yah, that will really bring unity to DU.

An organized effort to fight what ultimately YOU (and your list) will determine to be "Anti-Dem" posts.

Speaking of "ruining this board."

[ShaneGR]

24. I think you should change your Username

Clearly misleading.

[FlemingsGhost]

29. I think you should change your motive.

Clearly distruptive.

[ShaneGR]

43. Hold on a second

I have to look up distruptive....

I didn't realize it was distruptive to distrupt a bunch of distruptors.

[FlemingsGhost]

47. So you admit your ultimate goal is to disrupt?

"I didn't realize it was distruptive to distrupt a bunch of distruptors."

Put your list away, sgr2.

[ShaneGR]

72. The goals are pretty clearly posted

See #1 & #2, those are the goals. Nothing more and nothing less. If it's disruption to post threads critical of Bush and to defend Dem candidates then I suppose you're right.

[Pepperbelly]

26. seems to me that there is a concerted effort to ...

roll out every possible smear against candidates using assorted right wing nitwittery and that is coming very close to ruining the board. People who I once counted as friends I have began to wonder how I could have ever viewed them that way.

I do not know what the answer is but I do know this: it does our chances of ousting Bush no good.

[ShaneGR]

28. Kill them with kindness

Or just bash the living hell out of Bush.

[Pepperbelly]

31. as you can see ...

one particularly egregious offender brought a cute Clark bash into this thread. Go figure.

:shrug:

[ShaneGR]

36. Whoever it is

I have them on ignore....

Whocountsthevotes?

Anyways, make sure you send me your email. I've already got 10.

[FlemingsGhost]

40. For what it's worth... here's a tip, fellow DUers:

Stay away from lists.

[gully]

35. Much like the unity that the Dem bashers bring to DU?

:nopity:

[FlaGranny]

127. Isn't it VERY, VERY ODD

that a splinter group is needed to carry out the original intentions of this website? Which is - oust bush*. Last time I checked, this was still not an oust your most-hated Democratic candidate website.

Is everyone getting hysterical that their favorite candidate might not be getting enough attention or what?

[CWebster]

25. I don't know.....

The... brigade....hmmm. Seems like something that could easily be abused-sorta like the DU thread police or the DU Underground troopers or the Democratic Youth patrol. The General sure did bring in some rigid law and order vibes to this mild-mannered but good-humored chaos. What a shame.

[Name removed]

27. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Forkboy]

30. Pepperbelly wins!!!

for using the word "odiferous"!

:toast:

[ShaneGR]

32. I was going to say

Tang

[Pepperbelly]

34. actually ...

I thought the use of "scat" was better but who am I to judge flames or insults? Rodney fucking Dangerfield?

[Isome]

71. The last few times I've noticed a post...

from Forkboy (what a name), he's instigating like someone's little brother! ...too funny!

[Forkboy]

78. Awww shucks

flattery will get you nowhere.

[Terwilliger]

33. this thread is a terrible idea

why dont you tell that to sgr

[charlie]

39. Not if we get capes and masks!

Then I'm all for it!

[Pepperbelly]

41. Fucking A!

Sweet.

[ShaneGR]

42. I want a cape!!!!

They can call me SUPER D

[KoKo]

54. sgr2 , since I don't see a "Star" by your name, I assume you've not

been able to support DU because of "lack of funds" or you just "weren't committed." I wish you much good liuck in your new website, because you're going to need alot of support and $$$'s. Maybe you should PM Skinner, et al....and ask how they are doing.

[Forkboy]

56. no offense KoKo

but that's a bullshit tactic.

[ShaneGR]

58. uh, who said anything about a new website??

wuh?

[KoKo]

96. You asked people to go to your website to "join up." Did you mean it was

a "Strategy Group?" To organize troops to come back here on DU and attack posters you don't agree with in threads? Or, did you mean for folks to come to your website to post and build it as a "New Dems" site for like minded folks?
:shrug:

Quote from your post:"Email me at [e-mail] to announce your intention to join and we will get ourselves
organized."

[ShaneGR]

101. Hey Koko, I know you're smart

And I know you can tell the difference between an email address and a website. No??

[CWebster]

93. Was that a bash? Did you just bash me?

Are you on your thought police patrol, punk ? Did I address you? Did I say one word to you, bullyboy?

This place has become a fascist cesspool of acthung Clark soldiers looking to squash all under their thumb.

Who needs Republicans with this mentality that only Ashcroft could appreciate right here on DU?

[Terwilliger]

109. They are Republicans

you know, homophobic men have been shown to be aroused by scenes of male-on-male sex

maybe these folks are aroused by "Democrats" who act like Republicans?

[Unknown Known]

38. Kick because no one is as bad as bush!

And that includes all the BFEE. I want them all gone.

I'm sick of all the Dem bashing, too. I'm not an extremist and I'm sick of the right extreme AND the left extreme.

[legin]

44. You're a pretty sensible poster sgr2

most of the time, this however is not one of the occasions.

"He that doesn't learn the lessons of history is destined to repeat them"

Go to the old forum and start reading the run up to the 2002 elections.

We've done this one already and it doesn't work. There are probably links that people have that take you to talkboards that broke away from the DU caused by the 'unity drive' that was in vogue then. You will also find a number of posters go missing until after the elections because they were protesting the atmosphere here.

'United we fall, devided we stand', legin.

[gully]

45. I think we can do it in a respectful manner...And...

I'm all for capes!

By the way, there is a Dem bashing team here that flocks to the kill like crow. They may not be organized but their here, their vocal, their nasty and their united. Many times they carry out tag team assults on those that disagree. Negativity about Dems seems strangely popular here at DU? And, quite frankly it's more PC then defending our party against BS.

[legin]

59. Yeah right !!!

"I think we can do it in a respectful manner"

An my name is Harry Palmer.

It won't be after one week of the this 'unity drive'.

And there is a certain fascism involved, you want order and sensibliness because that happens to suit your personality, your world view on life, I happen to like disorder and chaos, it's when I'm at my best. My fascism works best here.

[gully]

94. Hello Harry, nice to meet you!

:hi:
Harry Palmer said~I happen to like disorder and chaos, it's when I'm at my best. My fascism works best here.

Well, then you probably like the incumbent President. I don't, which is why I think we here at DU need to call a spade a spade, and counter the BS when we seeeeez it! I don't care if the guilty party is a so called bleeding heart or an ice cold fish.

I might ask who's trying to control whom in this thread? Why are u all so threatened that some of us refuse to let the 'trash' take over here? FACISTS! ;)

[Q]

46. I have to admit that I may have helped...

...drive some of those posters away with my own brand of 'anti-Dem' and 'anti-Green' bashing threads. But thankfully...I've learned a few lessons since then: dissent, debate and different points of view are HEALTHY.

- Those who don't question their party and look at policies with a critical eye...deserve everything they get.

[ShaneGR]

48. Q, where in this post do I say we are going to attack DU'ers???

I say we'll be POSITIVE about the Dems and NEGATIVE about Bush.


What exactly is wrong with that again?

[Q]

52. Hmm. Where did I get such an idea?

"I will initially call it the DU Dem Brigade. The Dem Brigade will be dedicated to fighting the increasing number of "Anti-Dem" or "Anti-Dem Candidate" threads that I feel are ruining this board."

- Just how do you plan on fighting 'anti-Dem' threads? And how do you define anti-Dem threads? This suggests that any thread criticizing Dems is 'anti-Dem'...even if based on the truth.

- Your motives may indeed be innocent...it's just the idea of some 'brigade' running around DU 'fighting' other DUers seemed kind of odd.

[legin]

53. And it's a very short step

from you being postive about Dems to going round the board slagging off anybody who isn't.

Been here.
Seen this one.
Bought the video.
Seen the film.
Got the CD.

[legin]

51. Don't worry Q

You have worked it off. ;-)

[Q]

57. Thanks...but it seems strange that the left is so divided...

...that it can't come to an agreement on how to fight the Bush* fascists. The hatred towards third parties and even Dem liberals ('extremists') coming from the 'center' of the party is showing itself at DU.

- What good does it do to win the universe if you lose your soul in the process? What good does it do to 'win' the WH in 2004 if the corrupt system remains in place?

- The Democratic party has a lot of work to do...much of it consisting of introspection and asking if where we're being led is where we want to go.

[gully]

104. ?

Q said "- What good does it do to win the universe if you lose your soul in the process? What good does it do to 'win' the WH in 2004 if the corrupt system remains in place?"

Ponder for a moment the difference between a Bush Presidency and a Gore Presidency...... Take a moment to imagine Al Gore had been in the WH over the last 2.5 years.

Here are a few of the things that likely would not have happened.

911
Iraq
Tax cuts at the expense of children/poor/middleclass
Joblessness and poverty increased dramatically
Crime increased dramatically
hundreds of thousands have been eliminated from Health Care benefits.
Homelessness is on the rise
The Deficit is at a record high
And on and on and on.....

We can waste your time in the hopeless pursuit of perfection if you so choose. However, I hope most of us realize the consequences of another 4 year of *BUSH!

[Emboldened Chimp]

49. There's nothing wrong with critizing a candidate

so long as it's based on facts. To play nice with Dem candidates all the time undermines the idea of democracy, because it is our right to criticize. However, your idea would work for those cases where someone launches an ad hominem attack. Something to think about.

[LiberalUprising]

50. Kick

Great idea

[Forkboy]

55. Ahhh...about your edit

being like-minded and getting together doesn't mean you favor democracy.Just ask the Nazis.

[FlemingsGhost]

62. Funny, "The edit" only serves to undermine the effort.

In fact, if that is any indication of the "positive" wisdom we can expect from sgr2 and the DU Brigade...

[Forkboy]

66. What I dont get

is how can he debate anyone when he says he's putting anyone he doesn't agree with on ignore :shrug:

[Nashyra]

64. Count me in

Thanks.

[Aidoneus]

63. fantastic idea Herr Kommissar!

keep us all in line.. :eyes:

[legin]

65. I hope someone informs the admin at Bartcop

about this thread.

Cause they got really pissed off the last time this happens because all the posters that refused to come here went over there instead and the admin there had to temporarily upgrade their traffic limit to cope.

He actually posted a complaint about it on the old forum.

:evilgrin:

[ShaneGR]

69. Who said anything about going to Bartcop???

Heck, I've never even been to Bartcop.

[legin]

83. I think there is a misunderstanding here

You're not going to Bartcop, we are when you start your 'unity drive'.

I have to say that it would be in very poor taste if you followed us over there.

[ShaneGR]

88. Uhh, ok

See ya!

[ShaneGR]

67. Hehe, I didn't think there would be much opposition

What's the big deal about a bunch of Democrats dedicated to two things:

1. Getting out the truth about the Bush Administration.

2. Defending Dem candidates from unwarranted attack by posting within those attack threads or simply posting something about Bush or something POSITIVE about the particular Dem candidate who is under attack.


ANSWER: Nothing.

BTW: Thanks for bumping the thread and thanks to all the people who have joined up so far!

[FlemingsGhost]

70. For your reading pleasure:

"I will initially call it the DU Dem Brigade. The Dem Brigade will be dedicated to fighting the increasing number of 'Anti-Dem' or 'Anti-Dem Candidate' threads that I feel are ruining this board."

[ShaneGR]

74. thanks for reposting it!

Much appreciated!

[Q]

73. Are you going to publish the list...

...so we can put them on ignore? (Just kidding)

- It seems you have edited your 'number 2' to mean something other than your original description. Define: 'unwarranted attack'.

- Take a look around: there are dozens of threads attacking Bush* and his policies. Likewise...there are just as many threads posting 'positive' things about the candidates.

- Perhaps it's the word 'brigade' that turns (some) people off?

- Bump/kick

[ShaneGR]

75. Answers

The list will never be made public.

I didn't edit anything about the original post that wasn't clearly marked EDIT.

Ignore whoever you want to. That's what the buttons for.

[FlemingsGhost]

79. Rummy... is that you?

This concept is about as well thought out as the bright ideas that come from the junta.

Gee... A secret list of names who will monitor and disrupt posters from expressing their critical opinions and oppositing ideas.

Sounds like something Unka' Dick or Johnny Asscrack would be proud of.

[ShaneGR]

82. So you don't like the idea?

Tell us what you really think! lol, I think 20 of the posts in this thread are from you!

At least I can say you spent so much time in here you failed to get up any Dem Bashing. :-)

[KoKo]

97. Yes....sounds great....the "secret" brigade ready to jump out and attack

at the first sign of a question about one of their favored candidates.......Just what democracy is all about. Sneak attacks. This has goine on at DU in the past....at least I give you credit that you are being open that you are forming a group to do this. We can be on guard unlike the other attacks that were truly silent.

[bearfartinthewoods]

84. a secret brigade,,,,,,,what a concept.......

[GreenArrow]

76. brigade doesn't help

it's redolent of Junior Anti Sex Leagues and such like.

This place is cliquish enough as it is.

[ShaneGR]

81. Well, perhaps "Brigade" could be changed

I did say "initially". Maybe something simple like "The Dem Bunch". Who knows.

[KoKo]

100. The Dem Bunch.......what about the rest of us Dems?

What??? :eyes:

[KG]

102. this is how is works. sgr2 gets to decide who is a dem and who isn't

where have we seen this kind of tactic before? :eyes:

[ShaneGR]

103. Koko, if you don't want to join, then don't!!!

Gees, I've never seen so much whining about people organizing in a positive manner for Democrats.

Form your own group, call it "People who don't like Dems organizing."

What do I care, you refuse to notice the difference between an email address and a website. Go figure.

[KoKo]

107. Well, you did announce it in General Discussion, so it's being discussed

and some of us are cautioning you that you may end up with "unintentional consequences," if you do what you are sugesting. It sounds good to you now....but look at how some of us view this.

Why didn't you just PM some likeminded folks (people you've found you agree with in threads) and discuss it with them privately. Since you put it out here for all of us to talk about....well...we're doing it......:shrug:

But, as I said before, I give you credit for being open about this. Since, in the past. other people have formed like groups but have done it silently. It's caused hardfeelings when this has happened and people have left DU because they've been attacked for not seeming to be "loyal" to whatever the silent groups vision of DU was.

I only was pointing this out.....but I won't post any more on this thread....because I've said everything I had to say about it.

Peace! :-)'s

[Emboldened Chimp]

113. Yeah, use a euphemism instead

It's a nice way to cover up true intentions.

[Isome]

77. So...

Essentially you're saying you want people to post to threads, of the dem-bashing genre, with relevant information about the candidate being smeared or about Bush. That doesn't sound disruptive to me. It sounds like, uhhh, plain ol' participation.

[legin]

80. You may have 'good' intentions

but it won't last very long. You will just be a group of enforcers trundeling around the board beating up on anybody who doesn't tow the party line.

It would be a good idea if you posted the members of your group somwhere visable, so I can save myself an awfull lot of trouble by just putting them immediatly on ignore. My first ever people on ignore.

[legin]

68. Someone might want to page IG too actually

:evilgrin:

[KG]

85. another example of your genious?

wait a minute, didn't you loudly announce your depature last week?

[Forkboy]

87. the people who announce it the loudest

mean it the leastest.

[ShaneGR]

89. I changed my mind

Thought I'd come back and do something positive.

[Forkboy]

90. Cool

when does the positive stuff start?

[ShaneGR]

91. It already has

Look, just to make this clear. The idea of the group is to get people posting negative material on Bush (There's tons of it) and positive stuff about the Dem candidates.

There is nothing wrong with that.

[KG]

92. thought you would.

it's okay though, you're one of the more entertaining conservatives on DU :)

[ShaneGR]

106. Eh

Let me see here:

Pro-choice
Pro-labor
Pro-expanded health care system
Pro-fiscal responsibilit
Pro-gun control
Pro-progressive taxation
Pro-environment

Yeah, I'm a BIG conservative. Just because I like my flag right side up doesn't make me a conservative.

[legin]

86. Just to save you the hassle

of thinking up some good insults:

"fake liberal" and

"right-wing enablers"

were the ones used by MWO in their little commentary on what was going on here in 2002.

[leftofthedial]

95. good idea

the Democratic candidate is the ONLY alternative to Bush/PNAC in 2004.

[5thGenDemocrat]

98. Damn right

I'll vote for any D candidate -- Lieberman, Sharpton, Dean, Clark, Mosley-Braun Kucinich, pick 'em -- any D candidate over pResident Dopey.
That is all.
John
Which is to say I agree with this premise.

[dmr]

99. sgr2

I think I understand, and can appreciate you wanting to make DU a more pleasant board. A board that is positive towards our own and critical of Bush*.

To organize somewhat secretly (private DU Brigade email discussions) "for left-leaning individuals to practice open discussion" is hypocritical and "The Dem Brigade will be dedicated to fighting the increasing number of "Anti-Dem" or "Anti-Dem Candidate" threads that I feel are ruining this board" is against DU rules.

The rules here at Democratic Underground are very clear. Whether any of us agree totally with them is irrelevant. We have the choice of placing individuals on ignore; we have the choice of not opening threads; we have the choice of not reading the flames; and most importantly, we have the choice of hitting the alert button when we feel there is a rule violation. Skinner, EarlG, Elad and our moderators are here to maintain the boards, the rest of us are here to participate. DU does not need us to "create a faction of like-minded individuals ... " no matter how sincere we may be, because this faction will ultimately cause ill-will and distrust amongst the DU community, as well as eventually bend or break many of the other rules the DU administration has written.

I don't post negative Dem words; I am highly critical and disrespectful toward the Bush* cabal; I don't like and won't read the Dem bashing threads/posts, but I disagree with your solution, and despite what you wrote in your 'edit', I not only like democracy, I cherish it.

I'm sorry sgr2, I enjoy reading many of your posts, but this is one, though I believe sincere, is wrong.

SPECIAL GUIDELINES RELATING TO THE 2004 ELECTION

Perhaps the most critical question currently facing progressives is who should receive the Democratic nomination for president in 2004. In order to encourage a robust and thoughtful debate on this topic, we are instituting a few simple guidelines.

Negative attacks are an unavoidable part of any political campaign, and therefore they are permitted against any Democratic presidential candidate. However, once the Democratic party officially nominates its candidate for president, then the time for fighting is over and the negative attacks against candidates must stop. The administrators of this website do not wish for our message board to be used as a platform to attack and tear down the only progressive on the planet with any hope of defeating George W. Bush. Constructive criticism and even outright disappointment with the candidate may be expressed, but partisan negative attacks will not be welcome. If you wish to contribute to the defeat of the Democratic candidate for president, then you are welcome to use someone else's bandwidth on some other website. As the election season draws closer, we may expand this rule to include Democratic candidates for other political offices.

Democratic Underground may not be used for political organizing activity by supporters of any political party other than the Democratic party. Supporters of certain other political parties may use Democratic Underground for limited partisan activities in political races where there is no Democratic party candidate.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

[ShaneGR]

105. Rules

Democratic Underground may not be used for political organizing activity by supporters of any political party other than the Democratic party. Supporters of certain other political parties may use Democratic Underground for limited partisan activities in political races where there is no Democratic party candidate.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html

Seems like I'm fine.

[dmr]

110. Actually, this is what I'm referencing

Perhaps the most critical question currently facing progressives is who should receive the Democratic nomination for president in 2004. In order to encourage a robust and thoughtful debate on this topic, we are instituting a few simple guidelines.

Negative attacks are an unavoidable part of any political campaign, and therefore they are permitted against any Democratic presidential candidate.

I'm not going to get into a heated discussion with you. I agree 100% there is a major problem in the General Discussion forum (so much so, that I'm spending less time in GD). I like your concept of all of us being more positive; however, the only organized effort to address this issue falls into the hands of the administrators and moderators.

[ShaneGR]

111. Here's where we differ

I think that by getting more posts that are anti-Bush and pro-Dem into the mix we can improve the page. You think I mean calling out other people or disrupting existing threads. I'm only talking about making sure there is a balanced discussion. As of now, there is very little balance. Almost every single thread is negative.

[dmr]

112. Nope, that part we agree

we differ in the idea of making it an organized effort.

[FubarFly]

108. I would have to agree.

It's the mods job to enforce the rules on this board, not yours.


I do suggest you go to the administrator forum and pose your idea to them directly. If they approve it, then more power to you. Somehow though, I think they might have some small objections. Call it a hunch.

[gully]

114. Who's suggesting we enforce user rules...

I thought we were only going to counter bullshit.

:shrug:

By the way, I'm not personally as concerned with bashing the candidates (yet). But, once the Dems choose a front runner, that will change.

Peace...

[ShaneGR]

116. Gully

Don't worry about it.... notice that there are just a small number of people here being negative about it.

It kind of cracks me up personally. No one should organize anything POSITIVE!!! We want negative!

[lindashaw]

115. count me in.

[MrPrax]

117. Secret Cabal of Like-Minded Folks

the comparisons are obvious...
What might not be so obvious is an attempt by candidate workers to skew debate to their side on behalf of their candidate...

That's generally the result of such noble goals to 'cat herd' opinion

[CWebster]

118. Yowsah

Amazing how they all line up to participate, isn't it?

[gully]

120. Much like the unorganized "participation" in

slamming this idea...

[CWebster]

122. Hmmm

sorta like organized opposition against a fascist war? Or maybe, sorta like the organized resistance to fascism and the ....underground?

[gully]

128. so, it's better to be an unorganized facist?

I guess given the choices, I'll take organized facist anyday.

Hey, now there's a name for our group. The Facist DU brigade!

Let's think of an acronym.

[RandomUser]

119. Republican Lessons/ Responsible Liberalism

I've started by kicking up the "Republican Lessons" thread. It's for brainstorming on democratic strategy. Let's get more of these intelligent non-candidate discussion threads up to improve the signal to noise ratio in this forum.

[Clark Can WIN]

121. Kick

It's disgusting what's gone on here.

[efhmc]

123. Sent my e-mail. What's happening?

[ArkDem]

124. Please! Please!

This is supposed to be a happy occasion! Let's not bicker and argue about who attacked who.

[Emboldened Chimp]

125. Let the Stalinist Purge begin!

We're gone git ya! We'll smoke you out. You're either with us or with the Republicans.

:eyes:

[MadHound]

126. God forbid we post the truth about the Dem party and candidates

Look sgr, your enforcement brigade is a bad idea. This is the primary season when the candidates are SUPPOSED to be discussed, both the positives and negatives. Look at it as the warm up to the big run in the fall. Plus, haven't you ever heard of constructive critisism?

As far as posting anti-Bush stuff goes, knock yourself out, though there's plenty around here every day. But where you are getting the idea that we're getting anti-Dem around here, I don't know. God knows, I've been beaten over the head with the ABB crap enough times to realize that the vast majority(for better or worse) WILL tow the party line come November '04. Organizing a secret gang of bully boys(complete with capes, masks, and beanies) to go around and enforce pro Dem views, especially when you are making the call as to whether or not something is pro Dem, is silly at best, and incredibly devisive and disruptive at worst. You may like thinking you're some king honcho at DU for doing this, but most of the rest of us are going to think you're an ass.

But if you've really gotta do this, well go ahead. Just be preared to have your ass handed to you in debates, for while you may think you and your gang have good, righteousness and the American way on your side, the rest of us have something even more powerful: the truth.

And about you're edit there. Don't go telling me I don't like Democracy. You have no fucking clue as to who I am and how long and hard I've worked for the Democratic Party. How many fundraisers I've done, how many voters I've registered, how many votes I've gotten out. What have you done, besides being a keyboard character assasin? All you want to do is form a piss-ant enforcement brigade. Damn that sounds mighty facist to me. Perhaps you should search your own soul before you presume about others.

[John_H]

129. I'm thinking it just may be time for another

site.

[Forkboy]

130. LMFAO

you're too much Sgr2...maybe your "brigades" first target should be YOUR OWN dumbass Clark is like Rick James thread.

Your own guidlines that even YOU can't seem to grasp

2. Defending Dem candidates from unwarranted attack by posting within those attack threads or simply posting something about Bush or something POSITIVE about the particular Dem candidate who is under attack.

What a maroon :crazy:

[Skinner]

131. I'm locking this thread.

I'd like to be clear:

I am a big supporter of the Democratic Party, and I have a very positive opinion of all of our candidates for the Democratic nomination. I would really like to see more people being more positive about our candidates, and I would like to see less divisiveness on the message board.

But I am very wary of this idea. I don't think it will help DU to have a self-appointed group of people deciding what type of participation is "Pro-Democrat" and what kind is "Anti-Democrat". Is it anti-Democrat to pick a side during a Democratic primary and fight like hell for your candidate? Obviously it is not.

The current infighting and negativity between supporters of various candidates is a perfectly normal part of a primary campaign. The damage to the Democratic Party will not be permanent.

If necessary, the administrators of this website will modify our rules to deal with certain excesses. That's a promise -- I don't want to see DU go down the toilet any more than you guys do.

So please: Stick up for our candidates, and stick up for our party. Because we've got a great group of candidates and we have a great party. Help spread the positive message on DU. But let's not do it in a way that will only lead to greater division.

Skinner
DU Admin

[FlaGranny]

132. This post didn't start out too bad

but after reading many of the replies, a lot of them read like the "I want to be disruptive and if you don't like it I'll scream brigade?"

I have a suggestion for the disruptors who just can't bear to hear anything good about any candidate but their own. Imagine you are face to face with a large group of people from your community. Imagine carrying on a discussion with them about certain problems your community is facing and trying to come up with solutions. Imagine discussing your opinions in a civil enough manner so that you don't come to blows with anyone. Now, imagine doing the same thing on DU. This is UNLESS, of course, your sole intention is to piss people off and alienate them, which is what I suspect the real intention is.

So claim your right to free speech, but don't complain when others don't like it when you use that free speech just to piss them off. It might be free speech, but it is useless and counterproductive free speech.

Some of you here are making me hate your candidates. I had to stop reading the candidate threads, in order to not get turned off to a good candidate because of some of his or her obnoxious supporters. There have been threads (although admittedly rare) here discussing a candidates good AND bad points without degenerating into pissing contents. It can be done, but it seems some folks have never learned to get their points across without being, ahem, . . . never mind.