Judge in Oklahoma City is hopping mad at the FBI. re: BOMBING

[DURHAM D]

Just got off the phone with a friend in OKC. He told me to follow the story that is breaking today. Don't know how to provide the link but it is on NewsOK.com. "FBI ordered to search for city bombing records."

The FBI killed a prisoner (the wrong guy) they had in custody and have been covering it up every since. Apparently they are protecting the ATF and FBI spooks they had inside the Aryan Republican Army - you know, the guys who actually taught McVeigh and Nichols how to make effective bombs.

When Tim McVeigh's attorney (Stephen Jones) was interviewed for the 10th anniversary specials he flat out stated that McVeigh and Nichols did not act alone. Hence the reason Tim needed to be executed as soon as possible. Everyone I talked to in OKC at that time thought it was so stupid to execute McVeigh so quickly - they felt we would need to talk to him later but the government wanted to get rid of him because of federal agent's misconduct. Honestly, I thought they were just being too emotional around the issue.

[R. A. Fuqua]

1. I also felt the execution was

hasty--there were still many unanswered questions. What would it have hurt to wait a few months to kill him? (I am anti-death penalty--but I do believe that if there ever was an occasion that called for the death penalty--the OK bombing was probably it.)

I have read quite a bit on the subject--and it is pretty obvious that there were others involved.

Why didn't we hunt them down? In fact--these people may be more dangerous that McVeigh--there are indications that the people we did not identify may have been the ones that provided the $$$ and the training.

[DURHAM D]

3. As I understand it - the point for the past 10 years has been to

protect FBI and ATF from exposure for incompetence and for actually being largely behind fomenting government hatred with these groups. They thought they could create, control and use to their advantage these rabid survivalists (domestic terrorists).

[DURHAM D]

5. P.S. I think the money actually came from the FBI. eom

[R. A. Fuqua]

6. a very good theory

(especially in light of several known FBI blunders in the case---if they were made on purpose--it is much easier to understand).

All I know is--we did not find out everything and we DESERVE to get to the bottom of this.

(from what I have read McVeigh and Nichols were too incompetent to make even small bombs work on their own....it appears that they got some help---from someone competent...)

[DURHAM D]

8. Have no idea how this ties into Ruby Ridge and Waco but

am sure it does. Just for the record, Louis Freeh's incompetence has something (big) to do with this situation.

[R. A. Fuqua]

9. sorry--I know precious little

about Rudy Ridge and Waco---I need to read up on them.

I would not be at all surprised if you are correct.

I agree that there is a lot of incompetence and we need to get to the bottom of things.

Definitely I think there are unanswered questions about the OK bombing, and I think there were some odd things about Waco (I don't know anything at all about Ruby Ridge).

[Eloriel]

11. If you're not careful you'll end up squarely on the side of

the rightwingnut at Ruby Ridge. Randy Weaver, that's his name. That standoff was just wrong, from start to finish -- and it finished very badly. Jerry Spence was his attorney.

Waco, I'm still on the side of the gubmint, but maybe I should think it over (after a lot more research)....???

[R. A. Fuqua]

13. I need to read more about Ruby Ridge--

I was not living in the US at the time--and just frankly did not follow it that closely. I need to learn the whole situation.

Waco--it disturbs me that our highly trained professional negotiators were not able to work out a better solution. It bothers me that so many people died (especially children) and I have always thought that the situation could have been handled better--after all they had been studying these people for quite a while. I know hindsight is 20-20, but it will always disturb me that so many died so horrifically.

It is obvious what Koresh (??? spelling) would do if you backed him into a corner--he was going to do a stand-off and it would end badly. Why did we choose to go about it in the very worst way possible? They had studied the man, they knew his habits--they could have easily arrested him in town, un-armed when he did his weekly mail pick-up. A few days before the confrontation--they were following him in just such a situation. Instead--they forced his back up to the wall--trapped him like an animal so that he was forced to fight to the death. And all those deluded people died with him. They knew he was highly armed and committed to protecting his compound--why did they choose to go about it in the worst way possible?

Anyone who has taken even one psychology class would have handled this man differently. Supposedly we had trained professionals on the case. Why didn't they handle it better?

[FreedomAngel82]

12. Interesting

That's what I want to know too. Why would they go that quickly in executing someone and not investigate and ask him question's? :shrug:

[proud2BlibKansan]

2. And you know Nichols is bargaining with them now

Through an informant, the feds found out there were more weapons and bomb ingredients still hidden in Nichols house in KS. They recently searched it and came out with bags full of stuff. (I have a friend who lives nearby) Now Nichols is using more 'undisclosed info' to bargain with the feds.

[radwriter0555]

4. There has long been floating a specific story about the spooks'

involvement and mess up... interesting.

[DURHAM D]

7. The FBI originally told the family of the deceased prisoner that

he had committed suicide while in a holding tank. When they got his body back he had been beaten to death. Apprently the prisoner even had some of the same tattoos as the guy they really wanted from the Arryan Republican Army.

[peacetalksforall]

10. McVeigh supposedly asked to be put to death and the government

said yes...that in and of itself is enough to distrust and suspect the Justice Dept. What person with a trace of a brain would agree to that?

Oh, that's right, it was Ashcroft.