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Thu Sep-18-03 07:03 PM
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MSNBC - Pundits (even Conservs all gushing over Clark) |
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Jerry Nachtman is even going on and on about Clarks resume' - how he is a Rhodes scholar - was a Professor in Economics, has Phd, MBA.
If Clark gets in - Bush is toast. Even the Republicans are in love with Clark.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:04 PM
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1. Clark doesn't have a PhD...does he? |
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:06 PM
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5. I think Nachtman said that n/t |
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:08 PM
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8. Oh, I don't doubt your ears... |
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I'm doubting Nachman's words... I'm fairly certain he's mistaken.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:08 PM
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:08 PM
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A couple of Masters - one from Oxford (can't remember in what), another for Military Science.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:12 PM
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16. His degree at Oxford was in Economics |
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:12 PM
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17. No PhD. He hold a Masters in Philosophy, Politics and |
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Economics. He taught economics at West Point; that's why the PhD link.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:05 PM
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Imagine, Nachman and Matthews waxing poetic about a Democrat!!! I loved it! Goodbye Shrub Boy!
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:06 PM
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3. Is Jerry a conservative? |
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:11 PM
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15. Jerry Nachman Is Conservative Lite..... |
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He's not a RNC toady like the folks at Fox....
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:06 PM
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4. Doesn't that give you pause, that filthy fascists like him? Now, why do |
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you suppose that might be? Would you say that has positive or negative implications?
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:07 PM
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6. Anything that gets Chimp out is positive n/t |
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:07 PM
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7. I'd say it has novelty |
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:09 PM
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11. I think they're even getting fed up with Bush too..... n/t |
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:11 PM
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13. yes, I would prefer that he be "outside" |
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Clark is obviously "inside" somebody's sphere--that phone call that he has fudged about (and why won't he just come clean about that?), that "someone" in the sphere of the White House/RW "think tanks" (they're all one and the same, as far as I'm concerned) called him and asked him to lie about a 9/11-Hussein connection ON 9/11--that stinks! Nobody from the right calls Dean and asks him to lie for them and that's the way it definitely should be.
Yes, why do these hate-mongers suddenly like him so much?? He WAS a Republican fund-raiser until not too long ago, don't forget. I would prefer if they DIDN'T like him, thank you.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:25 PM
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31. Only Nachman said nice things |
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There's no way O'Reilly, Hannity or Rush will, believe me.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:35 PM
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47. I'll give you the Cyst and Ham fersure. |
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I think there is at least a small chance that Wes could turn O'Really. I'm pretty sure he's on record saying Shrub is deservedly toast if WMD are not found, which is increasingly becoming the fact on the ground.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:39 PM
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50. I know O'Reilly said that |
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but isn't he still shilling for Chimpy?
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:42 PM
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54. The last I heard, he was praying for David Kay. |
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:11 PM
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14. no doubt Wesley is the culmanation of the Illuminati, NWO plot to... |
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control the world. And let's see, he once worked with Wolfiwitz in the Pentagon so he is a secret member of the PNAC. And even though he went to West Point, he was secretly initiated into Skull and Bones.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:19 PM
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Plus, he's heir to the massive Clark Bar fortune--and everyone knows Clark Bars are manufactured by Malaysian infants at gunpoint!
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:21 PM
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You've got a delicious mean streak. I like that.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:38 PM
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:13 PM
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19. When Someone Supports Me |
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They are agreeing with me... I'm not agreeing with them...
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:59 PM
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59. when somebody I don't like supports me, |
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Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 08:01 PM by Aidoneus
I usually begin to feel a bit uncomfortable about what I'm doing.. aside from Nachman's fawning, I get more uncomfortable about his kind words towards the neocon/neolib ideologues behind the immediate processes, and the sort of things mentioned here-- http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=361395&mesg_id=361395:shrug:
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:15 PM
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20. It reminds me of a Who song |
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With the line: "Meet the new boss, same as the old boss." Unfortunately, it doesn't look like America is up to singing: "Won't get fooled again."
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:18 PM
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23. Michael Moore lots of Libs/Progressives support Clark |
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I' d only be worried if it was ONLY the right wingers.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:28 PM
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34. Do you remember the last guy Moore endorsed for President lost? |
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Remember he endorsed Nader last time out. Maybe he likes people who can't win. I'm being facetious, but it is very disingenuous of people who hated him for his last endorsement to be trumpeting this one.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:35 PM
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46. I think Moore realized since the last election |
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the importance of getting rid of Bush. He's being more pragmatic.
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Thu Sep-18-03 08:37 PM
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62. i don't agree with all the opinions on this thread, but |
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I do agree that Michael More learned a lesson from the last election. He never imagined the grief W would heap on this country.
Now, he has one main goal - get Bush OUT! and replace with the best person possible(not neccessarily his favorite candidate.)
I feel the same way. We cannot take the slightest chance that old Whistle Ass will get a second term. With 4 more years, he would destroy anything good left about America.
Will I hold my nose and vote for any Dem? Probably, although it will be hard to do with Lieberman and maybe Clark(don't know enough about him to know)
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:35 PM
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44. No it doesn't give me pause. I want a candidate who |
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can win a red state or two and hold on to ALL of the blue states. I want a candidate who will see to it that the bushistas are held responsible for their treasonous acts against us. Clark is telegraphing that if he gets in the bushies will NOT ride off into the sunset to a peaceful retirement.
People are saying that Clark is ruthless. GOOD! We will need someone who is ruthless to kick the bushies to the curb.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:11 PM
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12. oh goody, now we can all vote for the neo-con approved democrat |
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that thrills me to no freaking end.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:13 PM
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--you said it so much better than I
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:15 PM
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It just helps that even cons can like him, it's called crossover voters. I don't care who he appeals to if it gets a Dem into the WH, ABB
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:19 PM
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...for the pathological disorder that causes people to see things only in black and white?
I think the neo-cons would fall into that category also...how sadly ironic.
-ph
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:21 PM
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26. you missed the memo: we now love Republican votes |
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Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 07:21 PM by roughsatori
we now hate progressive left Democratic voters. Of course Jerry-New- York-Post-MSN-Repuke-Editor-Nachman's fawning would thrill us. Get with the program. :)
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:22 PM
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where prominent Neo-Conservatives have come out in favour of Clark over Bush. I doubt you will find any because Clark favours a multilateral foreign policy, which is the antithesis of core neocon beliefs.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:28 PM
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35. uhhh...multilateralism is not the antisthesis of neocon thought |
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they want a multi- or uni- lateral approach...but the same goals that Clark and his buddies want are the same goals that the neocons want: take over the middle East
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:29 PM
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37. And where has Clark said he wants to take over the Middle |
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East? In fact he's said the opposite.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:32 PM
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At the core of Neocon belief is Nationalist Supremacy at the expense of International institutions because they arent "valid", ie. the abolition of the UN and eventually NATO, etc.
Show us where Clark has advocated to "take over the middle east" in specific terms, and make sure to show where he has advocated invading the various nations there for american gain.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:15 PM
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22. Some people here just can't stand to win apparently.... |
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it's so much more fun losing and being able to gripe about eveything...
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:24 PM
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29. Which is what I am afraid of with Clark |
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He will lose the Democratic base, and the election--it he wins the primary.
But hey, as long as Repukes cheer him he must be fabulous.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:26 PM
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33. Unless Clark Co-opts the GOP platform |
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i doubt the base will vote anything other than pragmatic.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:32 PM
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41. In other words: "take the base for granted: they have to vote for us" |
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I think those days are over. But if he loses because of that, his supporters will blame progressive Democrats who stayed home , and not their failed strategy.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:34 PM
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42. Thank you for putting words in my mouth |
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I didnt say that he should "take the base for granted", just pointing out my opinon on how the base will vote in the next election.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:35 PM
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45. i apologize for the sarcasm |
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:40 PM
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52. "Progressive Democrats" <> "Stay Home" |
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:53 PM
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58. There are two bases. The primary voters and the.. |
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general election voters. The primary base is liberal. The general election base is black and moderate voters. If Clark wins the primaries He will get the votes of blacks and moderate voters in the general election.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:36 PM
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48. But you get to feel good about yourself.. |
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...because you didn't have to compromise.
(Sorry, I guess that counts as flaming, but these knee-jerk responses are something I expect from Bushistas...I'd like to think there's a higher level of discourse here at DU.)
-ph :shrug:
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:39 PM
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51. They love to lose. LIfe isn't complete unless.. |
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Edited on Thu Sep-18-03 07:40 PM by Kahuna
they can support candidates who lose in landslides. I've seen it time after time. Blech. :puke:
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Thu Sep-18-03 08:25 PM
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61. Only the ESTABLISHMENT can save us from the |
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ESTABLISHMENT.
Do not fight the political status quo.
You are feeling sleepy.
Sleepy.
Sleepy.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:24 PM
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30. I think they're building him up, so at the slightest faux pas, they can |
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tear him down!!!
Raising the expectations and then will slam him...(he's stiff; he's too wordy; can't get his message out; talking over the heads of Americans; dividing the country; etc. etc.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:26 PM
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32. uhh...couldnt the reverse be true? |
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maybe the CON-servatives like Clark because he's a guaranteed loser.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:28 PM
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I think Clark has the best chance to win of any candidate because his resume and knowledge on foreign policy reduces the percieved advantage the GOP has on that issue, forcing alot of the debate on Dem-friendly terrain.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:31 PM
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That's why everybody and his brother was urging Clark to run - because he's a guaranteed loser. Makes perfect sense.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:44 PM
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55. why would the conservatives gush on Clark if they were worried about him? |
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Im not talking about Democrats...TRY TO FOLLOW!
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:49 PM
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first of all, conservative and "Democrat" are not mutually exclusive. Case in point: Jack Murtha. But I assume you know that.
Are conservative Republicans gushing over Clark? Not to my knowledge. Please give an example.
-ph :smoke:
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:35 PM
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43. Maybe they like Clark |
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Because he offers the kind of leadership we have not seen since 1963.
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:41 PM
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53. Are you referring to JFK? |
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:46 PM
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Thu Sep-18-03 08:05 PM
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60. Or - maybe they just like him. |
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Is it so hard to imagine?
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Thu Sep-18-03 07:31 PM
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38. I couldn't believe that Nachman was gushing like that. |
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