OK, lets settle this: Clark or Dean?

[bluestateguy]

If this primary field narrows to Wesley Clark and Howard Dean, who will you support?

[jenk]

1. from an Edwards supporter......I'd vote Clark

.

[janx]

40. Why?

.

[diplomats]

2. I picked Clark

but I could easily support Dean.

[bluestateguy]

3. kick

:bounce:

Vote!

[Cha]

4. Clark supporters should call Mike Malloy right now and tell

him why you like your candidate!

Call 800-TALK-YES http://www.mikemalloy.com/listen.html

[BurtWorm]

5. Dean

for sentimental reasons. I could change my mind. Then again, so could everybody who voted in this poll.

[FloridaPat]

6. One the pres the other the vice-pres. Unbeatable!

[bluestateguy]

7. kick

:kick:

[Forkboy]

8. what is this settling?

:shrug:

[tom_paine]

10. Nothing.

[IndianaGreen]

9. I will be relieved if the primary season ends up with Clark and Dean...

I will be relieved if the primary season ends up with Clark and Dean as the only two Democratic candidates still standing.

God forbid we ever have to face the moral and ethical dilemma of voting for one of the warmongering Democratic candidates that voted in support of Bush's invasion of Iraq, and continue to support the American occupation of Iraq, as well as Israel's occupation of Palestinian lands.

I will have no qualms whatsoever supporting Clark if he becomes the Democratic nominee.

BTW, I support Dean for President.

[CWebster]

11. Dean

Because I believe he is good and decent candidate who has worked hard for the admiration and respect the base has for him. And because I recognise that Clark is little more than a construction to block Dean because the party insiders are terrified that he will rock their world and return the party to the people who it is supposed to represent instead of elite special interests.

All of the candidates who have worked and weathered the storm I respect and I will not be swayed by some artificial image projected by massive astroturf efforts to convince all to rally around a blank slate.

Dean. firm.

[cmd]

13. The roadmap to the White House is still being written

Keep your eyes open for any detour signs. The ultimate goal is to get there.

[jeromewiley]

14. People Powered Howard!

I have only spent approximately 30-40 hours per week for the past 2 months volunteering for the Dean side.

It's been an amazing two months. In the meantime, Dean has single-handedly brought all other candidates to his issues throughout the summer, culminating in the debates.

Great appearance on K Street by the way!

Jerome Wiley Segovia
http://www.LatinosForDean.com

[BurtWorm]

17. Wish I'd seen it.

I heard it was great.

I think Dean has raised the energy level in this race considerably. He was the first to really tap into the residual anger among Dems like me who will never forgive that schmuck from Texas for 2000. He validated and vindicated us. And we'll see how much more he's got. It would be great if he went the distance. I'm rooting for him.

[diplomats]

18. Congratulations on all your hard work!

[newyawker99]

41. Hi jeromewiley!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Jim Sagle]

19. What you said.

[JNelson6563]

45. I have to agree

Clark is little more than a construction to block Dean because the party insiders are terrified that he will rock their world and return the party to the people who it is supposed to represent instead of elite special interests.

This smacks of establishment. Let's face it, the establishment doesn't like the grass-roots movement behind Dean. We were suppose to choose another (no names) and when it became apparent that wasn't going to happen Voila!! A shiney new candidate!

Hmmm.

Julie

[lostnfound]

54. Yeah, the NYT is pumping Clark up; DC insiders worried about Dean

NYT column today on Clark http://www.nytimes.com/2003/09/19/opinion/19HERB.html?th reads like a classic NYT spin, pretending to be appropriately questioning of one individual but devoting most of the space to tearing down the opposition.

To the "liberal" NYT, the democratic field of candidates is now described as "stagnant"; Clark is 'almost perfect on paper'; and of course, Howard Dean is angry and seems ready for a headlock on the president?? They get the chance for more personality plugs -- Clark is "more personable than John Kerry, more mature than John Edwards, more telegenic than Joe Lieberman".. I expect to see many more like this coming from the major media.

It's all about personality to the 'liberal' media, because God forbid they should focus on where a candidate's MONEY (or elite support) is coming from.

Lawyer friends in DC tell me the town has been abuzz with a slightly disdainful, fearful phrase "who's Dean??" That kind of makes me feel better about him...

[NNN0LHI]

12. Where is the "I will support either one of them" option for guys like me?

[kayleybeth]

15. Clark has my support right now

...but I will gladly support Dean if he ends up having the best chance of winning. I just want the shrub OUT of our White House.

[fizzana]

16. My heart says Dean but my head says Clark

n/t

[IndianaGreen]

28. Clark is quoted as saying his views on war are the same as Holy Joe

Clark said his views on the war resemble those of Democratic Sens. Joseph I. Lieberman (Conn.) and John F. Kerry (Mass.), both of whom voted for the war but now question President Bush's stewardship of the Iraqi occupation.

<snip>

Clark, relaxed and chatty, portrayed himself as a different kind of Democrat, one without strong partisan impulses. He said he "probably" voted for Richard M. Nixon in 1972 and backed Ronald Reagan. He did not start considering himself a Democrat until 1992, when he backed fellow Arkansan Bill Clinton.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A32450-2003Sep18.html

We can challenge Clark to clarify his remarks, which are rather disturbing EXCEPT for the fact that it is the Washington Post that is publishing this story. I don't trust the Post anymore that I trust the Washington Times.

[Donna Zen]

36. The entire tone was very negative

I will be interested to read New York Magazine's interview. The man that wrote it said he spent hours with Clark. He came away saying that the depth and breadth of Clark's knowledge of the issues amazed him.

Also, he has spoken and I have heard him with my own ears saying that Iraq is not a legal war.

The quote goes on..."That having been said, I was against the war as it emerged because there was no reason to start it when we did."

BTW, how did they manage to find a bad picture of Clark to put with that article...I ain't never seen one before.

[libertad]

44. I agree with you, and I'm also concerned that he's been a (R) &

an "independent". How can a decisive, grown man not know what his political philosophy is?

[Cozmosis]

20. Clark...

But Dean VERY close.

[Speck Tater]

22. Dean beacuse...

When I go to Clark's web site I see nothing at all describing his stand on the issues. I have a sneaking suspicion that's because he's waiting for his DLC handlers to tell him what his stand is.

[newyawker99]

42. Hi fiziwig!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[Eloriel]

63. And of course the oppty to steal a few more ideas

from Dean.

Eloriel

[KaraokeKarlton]

21. Someone should post a Clark vs Kerry poll

Just out of curiosity. I would do it myself, but I can't post polls.

[skewthat]

23. Holy Crap a tie!

Kick!

[Speck Tater]

25. A Tie because...

It's a tie because nobody has seen Clark in a debate yet. He might turn out to be greqat, or he might turn out to be a real dud. Too early to tell.

[madfloridian]

24. Dean and the others have campaigned hard and long.

They have been under the pressure of the debates, the scrutiny, the criticism.

We all knew Clark was going to get into the race,but he kept putting it off and putting it off. He would appear on tv to announce that he might announce. He did not have to undergo the pressure that the others have had to put up with.

He is the candidate of the powers that be. That should not matter in our country, but I greatly fear it does. Edwards was sidetracked on his announcement.

Clark may or may not come to the debate. If he is a candidate, he should be at the debate. There is no question......Yahoo says he backed out already. That is just wrong.

We will support Dean, and we have grown to love Edwards since Clark overshadowed him. As to the final voting, I have a feeling that we will be handed our candidate, and it will be Clark. And don't say they can't choose our candidate for us.....of course they can. Read Al From's article just up at MSNBC. Note who is Clark NY campaign manager. Note who called him a star of the Democratic Party while all the while Clark was saying he did not know what he was.

This board was overrun a little while ago by people who did nothing but attack Dean and the other candidates. They were for Clark, and they attacked. Few of the other candidates' supporters were ever that much in attack mode.

It has become a board which sounds like a bunch of teen-agers, which would be funny if it weren't so sad.

[bluestateguy]

26. Clark annonced a month before Bill Clinton in 1991

[sugarcookie]

31. Yes, that is true

but how long did Clinton campaign before he announced? Just asking.

[Capn Sunshine]

62. I was doing legwork for Clinton

The whole summer of 91.
He was in it since the spring from what I recall

[madfloridian]

34. Clark has had all the benfits without any of the hassles.

[diplomats]

30. It's been obvious for months that Clark's a Dem

I didn't need Clinton to tell me that. If Dean's the strongest candidate, he'll win the nomination. He already has a big head start. Clark's not being handed anything. (BTW, he'll be at the debate.)

[madfloridian]

39. Did you read the Yahoo article just now?

Will find the link for you.

[drdigi420]

27. why not a dean/clark ticket?

?

[Speck Tater]

29. maybe, but ...

My initial reaction when this idea began circulating was that it woudl eb great. It might be great, but until I hear seomthing more definite from Clark about where he stands on the issues he's still a bigh question mark.

[burr]

33. I agree...

Shouldn't we be doing this poll after Clark releases his healthcare plan, the details of his approach to shrub's taxcuts, or just any specifics on domestic issues? :shrug:

[bluestateguy]

32. kick

:kick:

I'm trying to get 400 votes here

[janekat]

35. clark

[sandnsea]

37. Clark

I can't foresee the circumstances where I'd ever support Dean in the primaries.

[CMT]

38. kick

eom

[0007]

43. Either one will be a breath of fresh air

over junior.

[bluestateguy]

46. kick

:kick:

[gully]

47. Dean....all the way!

I predict the Clark enthusiasm will fizzle soon. But, I've been wrong before ;)

[_NorCal_D_]

48. Clark.

But I would be more than happy to vote for another candidate if it meant throwing Bush out of office.

[robbedvoter]

49. Clark. Cuz of what jay Leno sez:

> Jay Leno: "Today, retired General Wesley Clark announced he is
> running for president of the US. Pretty amazing guy. Four star
> general, graduated first in his class at West Point, supreme
> commander of NATO, served combat in Vietnam. What, he won the bronze
> star, silver star, the purple heart. Wounded in battle. See, I'm no
> political expert, but that sounds pretty good next to choking on a
> pretzel, falling off a scooter and dropping the dog."

[GiovanniC]

58. That's hilarious! Clark, BTW.

n/t

[Garage Queen]

50. I need a category for "I WILL support either one"

or how about "It's too early to decide. Let's see who gets the nomination next year."

:eyes:

[Terwilliger]

51. only 7 undecided??

shit, I may lean toward extremist, but it seems awfully early to put all your eggs in one basket

[pmbryant]

52. I'm #8

I guess the undecided's aren't voting in this poll. There have to be more of us.

:shrug:

--Peter

[bmbmd]

53. General Clark

is GW's worst nightmare.

[bluestateguy]

55. vote

:kick:

[bluestateguy]

56. kick

:kick:

VOTE!

[bluestateguy]

57. kicking

[bluestateguy]

59. Dean still commands a majority at DU

though not a substantial one. Those who suggest that Clark supporters are taking over DU are exaggerating.

[Walt Starr]

60. I was four square behind Dean not long ago

Now I'm a Clarkie.

[aquart]

61. Let's NOT settle this.

Let the primaries settle it.