Is it true that the senate voted unanimously for the Real ID Act?

[coloradodem2005]

:puke:

[paineinthearse]

1. Yes

Welcome back to civilization, been away?

[rfrrfrrfr]

9. Actually no its not.

The Senate voted unanimously to approve a Military emergency spending bill, Which the republicans in the house version had added the Real ID law. They knew it would never pass on its own so they put in the Must pass emergency legislation.

The Senate and house met in conference like they always do when there are differences in the bills they pass and the Real ID provision was allowed to remain. What was voted on was the bill that came out of conference.

There is no Bill titled Real ID act in the senate. You will only find it in the house.Try looking for it in the Senates records and you won't find it.

To find it in the senate you have to look up ." EMERGENCY SUPPLEMENTAL APPROPRIATIONS ACT FOR DEFENSE, THE GLOBAL WAR ON TERROR, AND TSUNAMI RELIEF ACT, 2005--CONFERENCE REPORT -- "

That is what was voted 100 to zip.

[Tandalayo_Scheisskopf]

2. The rider for this abomination...

Was tacked onto the 82 billion supplimentary appropriations bill that would fund the troops in Iraq. This was done outside of any control by the dems and was done in the house. To vote against this bill ould have been very damaging, politically, in this present climate. Several senators, including Obama, have said that they plan on revisiting this issue.

You can bet this will be a mentioned subject in the 2006 races. Mentioned many times.

[Daphne08]

6. This will be a mentioned subject in the 2006 races

Good, because by then the American people will have learned just how invasive this bill is!

[FreedomAngel82]

7. Only three republicans in the house voted against it

They were Howard Coble of North Carolina, John Duncan from Tennessee and Ron Paul of Texas.

[atreides1]

3. It was attached to the $82b Supplemental for Iraq and Afghanistan

At least that's going to be the excuse that they're going to use to justify why they voted for it.

[GettysbergII]

4. Senate approves electronic ID card bill

http://news.com.com/Senate+approves+electronic+ID+card+bill/2100-1028_3-5702505.html?tag=nefd.top

Last-minute attempts by online activists to halt an electronic ID card failed Tuesday when the U.S. Senate unanimously voted to impose a sweeping set of identification requirements on Americans.

The so-called Real ID Act now heads to President Bush, who is expected to sign the bill into law this month. Its backers, including the Bush administration, say it's needed to stop illegal immigrants from obtaining drivers' licenses.

If the act's mandates take effect in May 2008, as expected, Americans will be required to obtain federally approved ID cards with "machine readable technology" that abides by Department of Homeland Security specifications. Anyone without such an ID card will be effectively prohibited from traveling by air or Amtrak, opening a bank account, or entering federal buildings.

After the Real ID Act's sponsors glued it to an Iraq military spending bill, final passage was all but guaranteed. Yet that didn't stop a dedicated cadre of privacy activists from trying to raise the alarm in the last few days.

UnRealID.com, which calls the legislation a "national ID card," says that more than 10,800 people filled out its online petition to senators.

[coloradodem2005]

5. But it's ok for them to drive our wages down by taking our jobs.

Real cool Bush. :eyes:

[jody]

8. "taking our jobs"? My experience is that most illegal immigrants take jobs

that U.S. citizens won't take because the wages are to low and the work to strenuous. :shrug:

[coloradodem2005]

11. Yeah, because the wages are barely above minimum wage.

Whereas they would be twice as high for a U.S. Citizen to do them.

[thecrow]

15. I just hope they don't have to drive to work

Seriously, though, if the illegal immigrants were not here, maybe some of those jobs would be available for the rest of us.
I am sure lots of people out of work for a year or more would be happy to take anything that put some food on the table.

What you are saying is the right wing talking points that express the thought that "these are jobs that the US people don't want to do because the wages are too low and the work is too strenuous".
Or.... didn't you realize that is a talking point?

Do you really think that an out of work person without ANY income would think that "the wages are too low and the work is too strenuous"? I know of plenty of people who have to work two and three jobs at minimum wage just to feed their kids and keep a roof over their heads.

On Edit:
What we really need in America is a livable minimum wage.
Oh, but that's just JK speaking, isn't it?

[KittyWampus]

10. No, It Is Not. They Voted For An Emergency Military Spending Bill

it was attached and the Democrats couldn't get it removed.

Stop blaming Democrats for the GOP's outrages.

[coloradodem2005]

12. Sorry. Didn't know the specifics.

[housewolf]

14. It never would have passed the senate on its own

even many republican senators were opposed to it.

Many states are seriously opposed and considering filing suit againist it.

[bonzotex]

13. this will come back to haunt the Repukes

I understand why the Dems wouldn't vote against the whole bill. The Real ID portion of this bill is so bad that even the the most dedicated Wingnut will hate it once they figure out what it means. It's a great campaign issue. Defense authorization bills shouldn't be such sacred cows, though.

I personally wish the Dem Senators had the guts to stand up and vote against the whole package just for this one tack-on abomination. That raises a forum to expose how much odious shit like this gets stuffed into bigger bills.
Yeah they can go back and re-attack it later, maybe, if we take back one or both Houses. The problem is, the repukes will keep slipping shit like this into "must pass" bills. When are the Senate and House Democrats going to stand up and say this isn't OK? How many obnoxious, undemocratic, America-hating, worker screwing, environment destroying, corporation enriching measures will continue to slide by without any visible opposition? If the Senators and Congress critters are afraid to have to explain why they voted against a omnibus bill containing bad legislation, how are they going to explain trying to change a portion of it later. The Repukes will just point out, "well you voted for it the first time ya flip-flopper!" Besides, there's another very good reason to have voted against the whole thing. It was an "Emergency" spending bill. The repukes won't put costs for the War in the regular budget, even though we know damn good and well we have at least another year or two or three of money burning military adventure ahead of us.

Your average voter doesn't understand how any bill makes it to the floor or how they get put together. They only see how the vote goes.
People will respect votes on principle, even votes against military spending bills. It would have passed anyway. Let the repukes take responsibility for it.