Abstinence speaker tells kids 'condoms cause cancer'

[LiviaOlivia]

Wednesday, May 11, 2005
Abstinence speaker pushed religion in school, dad charges
By GAIL SCHONTZLER, Chronicle Staff Writer
Bozeman,Montana

An irate father is demanding that Bozeman High School present students with a rebuttal to what he called "extremely biased religious dogma" delivered by an assembly speaker who warned teens against the dangers of drugs, drinking and premarital sex.

Tom Wells, a Bozeman attorney and father of a ninth-grader, told the School Board on Monday night that he was appalled by the "thinly veiled ministry" and "misinformation" presented the week before by speaker Tina Marie Holewinski.

Holewinski, 27, of Hollywood, Calif., a full-time speaker with an organization called True Lies, defended her talk Tuesday as full of "hard-core facts" that could save teenagers' lives.

~snip~

Wells demanded the school give equal time to rebut the "misinformation" his son heard: that condoms lead to cancer, that birth control pills are only 20 percent effective, that sexually transmitted diseases are spread by skin contact alone, that third-trimester fetuses can be aborted, that video games lead to homicide, that human papilloma virus can be transferred through condoms and that teens can achieve "second virginity" through abstinence.

~snip~

http://bozemandailychronicle.com/articles/2005/05/11/news/abstinenceflap.txt

[sniffa]

1. weLL it's true

i know this guy who used a condom once and then Like 8 years Later.. BAM, cancer.

[brooklynite]

27. It 's worse than that....

Do you realize that everyone who used the first commercial condoms (in the 1800's) is now dead!!!

[youthere]

120. OMG!!

That means condom users have a 100% death rate!

[ghostsofgiants]

30. He would have been better off just buying the used car

[ComerPerro]

34. Damn. He didn't even see it coming, did he?

And, you can't deny third party anecdotal evidence like that.

[sui generis]

72. how long do you have to abstain to become a virgin again?

I think I might be 1/100th of the way there. Maybe less. :shrug:

[Horse with no Name]

101. Yeah but I bet you will "blow it" tonight

:rofl:

[sui generis]

106. I love it

you laugh at your own jokes too. Good one! :P :yourock:

[Thav]

118. Depends...

First you have to suspend disbelief. Then you have to take statistics and flip them around. Then all you need to do is spout misinformation about how condoms cause hunger in third world countries and the pill is at fault for terrorism, it'll take about a day.

I think it works for the True Lies crowd.

[quiet.american]

2. Day of The Omega Man

This country is starting to remind me, amongst other things, of the movie The Omega Man. These Bushfish zombies are everywhere! This woman should be in institutional therapy, not advising teenagers!

[FreedomAngel82]

4. I think all the disinformation is disgusting

And they think this is going to help the kids stay away from sex? They're REALLY fooling themselves. This doesn't help anything at all. What if someone gets an STD but they don't know it until it's too late? What if they're so afraid of condoms but still have sex and they get pregnant or something worse? And what if they get rid of abortion's and then you'll have tons of fifteen year old girls raising their own children and possibly without that baby's father.

[quiet.american]

16. This woman obviously has a serious problem

First, the irony of her referring to her lecture as being full of "hardcore facts" isn't lost on me. Sends warning flags this is a sexually repressed individual who probably has all kinds of seedy stuff going on under cover.

What you stated above is true, but requires an exercise in reason, obviously something this Ann Coulter protege does not have the capacity for.

[secretpoet]

60. My high school is abstinence only

and that's exactly how it is!

Honestly - we have a daycare for students to take their kids to in the building.

[UCLA Dem]

111. Yup, if they don't know how to be safe, then stuff like that happens.

When are these idiot conservatives going to learn that education is the best way to prevent both pregnancy and the spread of disease?

:banghead:

[IceOwl]

116. Well...

They would argue that this is education. They just don't get it that it's the wrong kind of education.

[fudge stripe cookays]

61. Not only raising kids...

as single moms, but having complications for their kids like syphilis, gonorrhea, HPV, or any number of other diseases that we've been able to reduce through education.

Now we're going to have women giving birth to babies who are blind, deaf, born with AIDS, or have any number of other birth defects due to sexually-transmitted diseases.

These people are unbelievable. Parents, for God's sakes, give your kids the information yourselves. The school system sure isn't going to help.

FSC

[UCLA Dem]

109. Bottom line. Kids are going to have sex, so lets help them be safe.

[liberal4eva]

138. did you see her....

........goin' down on that poor steak?? how many times/different ways can one person say "i eat meat." ???

shame. she looks so normal. (snicker)

[Straight Shooter]

3. What? No mention of onanism causing hair to grow on palms of hands? eom

[BOSSHOG]

6. And don't forget blindness

But that's so silly because you don't have to see to masturbate. I got a real hard fact for you. Religious zealots brains are diseased and rotting from their "beliefs."

[paineinthearse]

5. I googled Holewinski "True Lies"

True Lies
... Last Name: Holewinski. Email: [e-mail] ... The True Lies presentation, will open your eyes, ears and heart and will challenge you to ...
www.truelies.org/holewinski_tina.htm - 23k - Cached - Similar pages



First Name: Tina Marie
Last Name: Holewinski
Email: [e-mail]

Tina's PHOTO PAGE - http://www.truelies.org/Holewinski_Photo_Page.htm#loaderdone

Bio:
She's a 100% Polish, 100% blond farm girl - Gone Hollywood! Tina went from baling hay and milking cows to working as an actress/emcee in the big city. While attaining her BA in film and TV broadcasting, from California State University - Los Angeles, she started working in feature films and television shows. During this time, Tina realized - first hand - how the media twists the truth. Her involvement as a contestant in the preliminary Miss America pageant sparked her interest in educating society on what today's media is calling "harmless entertainment". As a National Speakers Association member, she frequently shares the truth with her fellow cast and crew members, models, actors, and especially with the youth and parents across America.

Tina has experience as an actress, narrator, spokes model, host, reporter, author, and emcee. She was a National Trainer for Aral Cosmetics, the emcee for Limited Too's "Passion for Fashion" national tour, a reporter for the TV Guide Awards and the Wings Celebrity Classics, and an award presenter at the Crystal and Lucy Awards for Women In Film. You might have seen her on "Young and the Restless", "Lizzie McGuire", the ABC special "Domino Day", "Constantine", and "Little Black Book", just to name a few. In addition, she was recently a guest on Si TV's "Breakfast, Lunch, & Dinner ", where she exemplified the importance of protecting the sanctity of marriage. Tina has also opened for the bands Poverty, Apologetix, and Skillet and was a contributing writer in the book, "Fifty". After seven years of Hollywood experience, Tina is taking the truth to the streets of America to spread her message on how the media is killing this generation.

When Tina's not speaking, you'll find her mowing down some steak and baked potato, traveling, drumming, scuba diving, doing photography, cooking (look for the smoke) and reading a book on how to find the love of her life. Tina loves life and yearns to inspire the young minds of America! She will EXPOSE, EDUCATE and ENLIGHTEN! The True Lies presentation, will open your eyes, ears and heart and will challenge you to live to your fullest potential!

What is your favorite color?
black...is that a color? It's mysterious and goes with anything. I'm a fashion hazard.
Favorite food?
you name it....I eat it...especially a big honkin' steak and baked potato
Favorite TV Show?
MacGyver was the man and what about the Muppets?
Movie?
Bowling for Columbine, Life is Beautiful, Black Hawk Down (anything with some action)
Music Group?
Rebecca St. James, Jeff Deyo, Keith Urban
What CD is in your CD player right now?
A Christian Techno CD called "Deep"

What kind of car do you drive?
black Chevy Cavalier....every part has been replaced except the driver's door (hey, I live in L.A.)
What is your dream car?
a classic convertible
What is your most embarrassing moment?
let's not go there right now...fine...I'll admit it. When I was on stage in 4th grade during a choir concert I had a "little" accident. When the teacher told me to wait 5 more minutes, I taught her a lesson. When I gotta go, I gotta go...needless to say, I smelled like pee for about 7.5 hours...man, did that burn!
What sports do you play?
kickboxing, softball, dancing, eating (is eating a sport?)
What is your favorite hobby?
photography, scuba diving, drumming
Are you married, and do you have kids?
no, but keeping my eyes open for my man
What is your favorite sports team?
Touchdown!!! Green Bay Packers!!!
What is your favorite place to visit?
my bed...I never spend enough time with my sheets.
On a day off, what would be the ultimate day off?
jump out of bed at noon, line dance to get the day started, go thrift store shopping, take pictures of the sunset, cook a nice juicy steak, sip some hot green tea and fall asleep while reading a book on how to find my soul mate.
Where is your favorite vacation spot?
I would love to go to Australia and dive in the Great Barrier Reef, go to London, Paris, Greece, Africa and see the pyramids and see all 7 natural wonders of the world!
Do you think Tupac is dead? Do you think Elvis is dead?
never thought about Tupac, and I just saw Elvis singing and dancing at my church in L.A.
Who do you think shot JFK?
I don't know, but America has lost it's innocence the second it happened.
What video game could you whip any teenager at?
You name it, I'll take em' down! Actually I'm all talk...I'm so not the videogame guru.
Do you have any pets?

my beta fish Survivor - it's one step up from the plants, next it'll be a dog or cat and then someday kids.
What's the craziest thing you have ever done?
legally? Just kidding...I was one of 5 Americans that worked with an 85 member European domino building team to break a world record. For 7 weeks I was on my hands and knees 10 hours a day building intricate designs out of dominos just to watch them fall in under 90 minutes. We broke the record with 3.5 million! I also got pulled over by a cop for playing the drum sticks on my steering wheel while driving. I just twirled my sticks for him and he let me go with a warning.
What's your favorite drink?
root beer float

[Jo March]

59. Two things jump out at me

1. She is "keeping her eyes open for a man"
2. She was on the Young and the Restless

So, how does she expect to find herself a man if she keeps on talking about all of these "naughty" topics? I mean, really.

Also, she was a on a soap opera? What is pure and innocent and virginal about soaps?

This woman is a bit crazy.

[paineinthearse]

65. Hiring crazy aspiring actors makes perfect sense to me

For manipulating the vunerable fundie young, it makes perfect sense to hire cute gilrs or hunkie men who are a bit "off the nut" and willing to whore themselves for money.

[Clark2008]

100. One of her favorite movies is Bowling for Columbine?

And she still thinks her misinformation is hard-core facts?
:crazy:

[LizMoonstar]

119. and!!

She worked with the Apologetix! have you guys heard them? they're Christian parody - as in, they take classic rock and change the lyrics into Christian messages. And they're BAAD. My buddies and I write our own, inspired by them, and ours are much better. Then again, we have a sense of irony.

you can listen to any of their stuff at www.apologetix.com, and it's so incredibly crap that it almost comes out the other end as brilliant. I mean, 'Bethlehemian Rhapsody'? and it's actually about David and Goliath, which has nothing to do with Bethlehem.

anyway, check it out if you want a laugh, or need to vomit.

[Jo March]

123. Ewww! I'll bet that I know someone who listens to them

and thinks they're great.

Oh, Mark? Are you reading this, honey?? ;)

[ashmanonar]

128. a bit?

lol

she sounds like a whackjob to me.

[northzax]

78. her perfect day involves reading a book about 'finding a soulmate'

not actually spending the day WITH your soulmate?

no wonder.

[sexybomber]

104. No offense...

but the woman looks like a hooker with that lipstick. And with a name like Holewinski, I wonder if she may actually be one.

[UCLA Dem]

112. Don't get how the Miss America thing has anything to do with media and/or

social awareness. :shrug:

[AlCzervik]

7. and when they have sex anyways and don't use a condom they could end up

with an std, I'm guessing he left that part out. I'm seriously thinking of setting up my own right wing Fristian website and marketing chastity belts to these assholes, i bet I'd make a ton of $$.

[JanMichael]

8. Oh dear gawd these people are fucking nuts, and they vote??????

Fuck this, this tyranny of the STUPID!

Fuck it and the intellectual wastelend that it rode in on.

IDIOTS! IDIOTS! Fucking lame assed MORANS!!!!!

GAWD almighty I DON'T understand why some countries started REEDUCATION camps because it's plainly OBVIOUS that EDUCATION doesn't EXIST with some segments of certain populations.

Fuck:mad:

[Kerrytravelers]

15. JanMIchael, tell us how you really feel. Holding back isn't good for you!

[JanMichael]

130. I WAS filtering!

Yikes.

[Kerrytravelers]

145. Yikes!

I always have to filter, otherwise I might be arrested!

[ClintonTyree]

91. Now, now...

these are the red-staters that I'm told all the time here, "we have to reach out to". Really, people tell me that all the time here. You see, we can't act all intelligent and stuff around them, it turns them off. :eyes: I'm sorry, I can't dumb myself down that much, it's impossible. If they're that stupid, let then keep voting for the morons who are stealing them blind and condemning them to a lifetime of ignorance.

What else do these people have except lies and superstition? This is all they have to work with because all the facts point in the opposite direction. The problem is, they create an entire, self-sustaining population of morons that believe this horse-hockey! There are some VERY stupid people in this country, :silly: and sometimes I think I've met every one of them.

[Bozita]

9. Welcome to the world of Christian fundy science

Probably coming soon to a Kansas public school near you.

[paineinthearse]

10. http://www.truelies.org/

About the Founder...
Phil Chalmers founded True Lies in 1984, and has been researching youth culture and speaking to teens and youth workers since 1985. Phil has met many teen idols and celebrities, interacting with people like Metallica, Two Live Crew, The Geto Boys, N Sync, Insane Clown Posse, GWAR, and many, many more. He has appeared on numerous media outlets like the Howard Stern Show and the Montel Williams Show. He has written numerous books, and written a few videos as well, including True Lies.

He expanded to a speaking team in 2002, and his current project is a youth conference tour and a book and television show on teen killers.

Phil spends his time writing, speaking, and traveling with his wife Barb and son 16-year-old son Phillip. He love cars and trucks, and his current ride is his Hummer H2. He enjoys working out, auto racing, golf, his boxer dogs, spending time with his family, and cheering for Jeff Gordon and the Pittsburgh Steelers. He is addicted to PS2, and enjoys working with the police department as the chaplain.

In the end, Phil has dedicated his life to teens, and saving as many young people as he can, until his time runs out. His life saying is “Do one thing, and do it really, really good.” He knows how to communicate with teens, in their language, and knows how to reach them with truth, which is his life calling. He currently is the speaker on his youth conference tour, which are day-long Saturday conferences appearing in 40 cities nationwide.

[Kerrytravelers]

17. This chaplin believes that lying to kids is ok. WWJD? Drive a Hummer?

[Soth]

85. "Do one thing, and do it really, really good."

Apparently that one thing isn't English grammar.

I DO THINGS GOOD.

[dissent1977]

93. I hate to break it to this guy but...

GWAR, 2 Live Crew, and the Insane Clown Posse are not exactly family friendly musicians. Those are the people he views as "teen idols" and he is preaching to us about morals?

[ClintonTyree]

94. He's "interacted" with Metallica, Two Live Crew, GWAR.....

meaning, he's maybe MET THEM or been in the same state as them and they told him to "get the fuck out of my face, asshole". He's making it sound like he's old pals with all of those "teen idols". :eyes: I can't imagine what Howard Stern did to him! Howard would have made him look like the little weasel that he is.

He's cheering for Jeff Gordon and the Pittsburgh Steelers. :wow: A NASCAR fan! What are the chances! AND he drives a HUMMER! It looks like he hasn't succumbed to the lies of global warming anyway. :eyes:

In other words, this asswipe is a walking cliche for ignorant, inbred, red necks everywhere. What a MAN! :banghead:

[liberal4eva]

139. say...

....is that the same jeff gordon that was sued for divorce by his wife stating that he couldn't keep his willie in his pants???

ah, morals...

[BronxBoy]

131. Oh man

They're a really diverse group.

Maybe they are telling the truth.

[Kerrytravelers]

11. Here is a link to the crap *is peddling in his abstinece only lies to kids

<http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=217x1659>

This is a post entitled "Can YOU pass *'s absentince test?" on the Choice/Reproduction Discussion board.

[paineinthearse]

12. Coming to a school or church or camp near you!

http://www.truelies.org/tourdates.htm#loaderdone

May 2005 Speaker
1 Wisconsin State Conference - KI Convention Center - Adult workshops (2)
Contact: Robert Boerner @ 920-662-7000 TMH
2 DOVER MIDDLE SCHOOL- DOVER, OH. 7:00 PM EVENING SEMINAR- CONTACT MR.JONES 330-364-7121 PC
2 Wisconsin State Conference - KI Convention Center - Teen workshops (3)
Contact: Robert Boerner @ 920-662-7000 TMH
2 Carrol, Harrison & Morgan County Schools - Ohio RP
3 Carrol, Harrison & Morgan County Schools - Ohio RP
4/30 - 5/10 Schools in Belize City, Belize - Contact: Lisa Zhao - [e-mail] CJH
4 Bozeman High School, Bozeman, MT. - 406.522.6243 TMH
5 Community Night - Parish Center @ Guardian Angels School - Cincinnati, OH
contact: Steve Von Hoene @ 513-231-5277 TMH
5 OAC (tba) - Ohio RP
5-8 True Lies Seminar, Pachuca, Mexico - Contact: Jorge Chaires - Contact Email: [e-mail] SHR
6 Guardian Angeles School (7th & 8th grade) - Cincinnati, OH
contact: Steve Von Hoene @ 513-231-5277 (Note: Not Open to Public) TMH
6 Guardian Angeles School (5th & 6th grade) - Cincinnati, OH
contact: Steve Von Hoene @ 513-231-5277 (Note: Not Open to Public) TMH
6 McNicholas High School - Cincinnati, Ohio - Contact: Steve Von Hoene @ 513-231-5277 (Note: Not Open to Public) TMH
6 Erie & Senecca County Schools - Ohio RP
6 CrossFire Youth, Oshawa Community Church, Oshawa, ON CANADA BU
11 Nuestros Pequeños Hermanos Orphanage - Cuernavaca Mexico - Contact: Melanie Kana ([e-mail] or Work phone: [phone]) SHR
11 Covenant Comm. Church Fort Myers, FL 7pm Charley=YP 239-334-1136 JS
11 Anthony Wayne Jr. High, Whitehouse, OH - Contact: Danielle Connelly 449-877-5342 PC
12 Ottawa Hills High School- Toledo, OH- 9:10 AM- Contact Debbie Dolgen- 419-534-5388 PC
13 Mohawk High School, Sycamore, OH - Contact: Joan Williams 419-294-4036 CJH
14 PAOC W. Dist. OVERFLOW, Waterloo Mem. Rec. Complex, Waterloo, ON CANADA BU
15 Orrville Christian Church, Orrville, OH - Contact Farron Mantz 330-682-3686 PC
15 Suncrest Chrsitian Church, St. John, IN DP
16-20 Abundant Life Christian Church, Portland, OR DH
16-20 School The Carmen - Alajuela, Costa Rica SHR
17 Central Middle School, Findlay, OH Contact: Pam Hamlin - 419-722-3711 CJH
18 Covenant Comm. Church Fort Myers, FL 7pm Charley=YP 239-334-1136 JS
20 Bluffton Middle School, Bluffton, OH - Contact Kelly Prichard - 419-369-4294 CJH
20 Mt. Vernon Baptist Church, Boone, NC - 7 PM - Contact: Church Cassada 828-266-9700 PC
20 Unite in Worship Conference - Toronto Congress Centre - Toronto, ON, Canada
http://uniteproductions.com/worship.php BU
21 Point Township Church of the Nazarene - 10 AM - Contact Troy DeKemper - [phone] DM
22 House of the Lord- Akron, OH- 11:00am-1:00pm- Kevin McIntyre- 330-864-9073 PC
22 Pitch N Praise - Missionary Church Conference - Staynor, ON, Canada BU
24-27 Middle School Presentations, York County, Virginia DH
29 Bethany Community Church - The Source: 11:00 am - St. Catherines , ON
Contact: Derek Gandza @ 905.937.5300 ex. 219 BU


June 2005 Speaker
4 Salvation Army Camp, Duluth, GA - 11:30 AM & 3 PM - Gwinelt Convention Center - Contact: David Jeffrey 404-728-1340 PC
6-9 Lake Aurora Christian Camp Lake Wales, FL contact Brad-239-292-2421 JS
8 Champaign County Abstinence Retreat RP
13-18 Lake Lundgren Bible Camp, Pembine, Wisconsin - Contact Holly Schmidt - 715-324-5457 CJH
15 First Baptist Church Kennewick, WA - 7PM - Contact Lisa 509-586-6101 GR
21 Focussing on Youth Issues, Mt. Vernon, OH RP
22 Glenville Bible Baptist Church, Wichita, KS - 7PM - Contact 316-524-6801 GR
23 Central District Youth Conference, Grand Rapids, MI - Contact Ray Miller 260-432-8868 PC
26-28 Lutheran Youth Gathering, Mackinac Island, MI PC
29 Lakeside For Youth- Elida, OH- Contact Neal Whitney, 419-231-0226 PC

July 2005 Speaker
11-15 River of Life Camp, Irasburg, Vermont - Contact Brian South - 802-754-9600 CJH
15-17 Convencion Liderazgo Juvenil, Guatemala - Contact: [e-mail] SHR
19-20 PAOC Family Camp, Truro, NS CANADA BU

August 2005 Speaker
1-3 Kingdom Bound 2005, Darien Lake Theme Park, NY BU
9-11 National DARE Officer Training Conference, San Antonio, TX DH
12 CAMPS, Freedom, NH - 10 AM - Lake Ossippee Conf. Center - Contact: Maureen Mulcahy 508-697-0168 PC

more.......

[harpo]

18. hmmm...they sure are covering OHIO

[paineinthearse]

24. Go to their "speakers" page

The founder is from Ohio.

[realisticphish]

82. well, that CERTAINLY must mean

that ohio is a state full of ignorant fundie racist assholes.











or maybe thats just where they're going right now :eyes:

[HughBeaumont]

103. Mostly the red areas, I noticed.

'Course, it's not hard to find them in this state. South of Lorain, Erie, Cuyahoga, Mahoning and Summit Counties, it's like the damned red sea with the blue Franklin and Athens islands.

[knitter4democracy]

57. Mt. Vernon, OH?!

:rofl:

That's where I went to college (not Kenyon in Gambier, the other one, Mount Vernon Nazarene), and I should've known they'd get some weirdo like that there. :eyes:

Sheesh! They'll stop at nothing to scare people into not having sex. Having gone to college with many were had been kept out of sex ed classes and only taught that abstinence crap, I can firmly say that it doesn't work. Not. At. All. Just ask Planned Parenthood in Mt. Vernon. They'll tell ya the truth.

[Blue Diadem]

79. Thanks, I think I'll be sending some info to news stations and schools

n/t

[Lone_Star_Dem]

13. So the kids think they are protected from cancer

while they are spreading STDs. Why bother using the pill if you're probably going to get pregnant anyway?

When these crispy fried twits are dealing with their children having children, or having to treat an STD on little JR do you think a light will go on? Nah, me either.

[jarnocan]

14. Moonie toons

I wonder she is a Moonie? Moonie groups are involved in some abstinace programs and have recived federal money. Bush gets many millions in money and support from Moon and his loony moonie toon TIMES, and it is a reciprocal relationship.

[Lars39]

19. The school PAID her $1500 to LIE to these kids?

The school needs to stop payment on her check and get someone that is qualified to teach sex ed.

[lonestarnot]

20. Guess balloons do to then... ruh row...

[enigmatic]

21. I'm actually kinda shocked..

they didn't roll out the old "if you masturbate, you'll grow hair on your palms" chestnut with this..

[Gatchaman]

22. How can they say this with a straight face?

How can these people get up there and tell out and out lies with a straight face? Isn't this a major contradiction of their supposed values? I'm sure they justify it in their minds by telling themselves they're somehow "saving" these kids, but all they're doing is adding to the confusion about sex that leads to unwanted pregnancies and the spread of sexually transmitted diseases.

I would ask if they have so sense of shame, but it's obvious that they do not. Hopefully, people will start to put two and two together and ask themselves, if this guy will tell a kid that a condom causes cancer, what kind of lies will he tell me?

[Name removed]

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[stanwyck]

23. Look, it's obvious what this woman is all about

she's an actress and she's found a gig. If she had been successful in Hollywood, she wouldn't be pushing the Bushian agenda. It's a job. She's taken the Rush Limbaugh, Bill O'Reilly, Dr. Laura, etc. route. Rush is a manufactured entity. A program director needed to fill a time slot and created Rush. The same with the rest. They follow the money. Who knows what they really believe? They certainly don't practice what they preach. Coulter talks the traditional female route but she doesn't live it. Dr. Laura gives advice but her life has been one of selfishness, adultery, and isolation. Newt is the antithesis of his family values blather. So are Rush and O'Reilly. They don't really believe the stuff they rant about...they're pitchmen (and women). That's it. They're all about the money.
This woman has no background to preach to others. She just makes stuff up. Same as O'Reilly and Rush. Most of her audience doesn't know the difference.
Her bio is one of desperation and wanna be-ism. She's Kato Kaolin and this True Lies group is her OJ. A soft place for a desperate person to land. That's it. Tell her the next paycheck comes from Satan worshippers and she'll pull on a robe and paint a pentagram on her forehead.

[ComerPerro]

36. Damn. Great write-up. Very well said

And you are spot-on.

I've heard Rush's show fairly regularly. I think I could do it.

And, despite how much I believe in liberal values and progressive causes, I would tell the same lies he tells, given the opportunity, for half the money!

[Old and In the Way]

38. Well stated.

After reading her cutesy bio, I concur with your opinion....it's a gig.

[enigmatic]

44. Literally:

Great post, and here she is to prove it:

http://tinaholewinski.tripod.com/Index.htm

[Bouncy Ball]

48. Yikes. Not a very attractive woman, is she?

[ClintonTyree]

96. Unfortunate looking....

I think is the term. It's not to hard to see why she's a struggling actress. She's going to be struggling in Hollywood forever. I sure hope she finds her "soulmate" quickly. She isn't going to find him in L.A. though, she should try Nebraska or Arkansas.

[Megahurtz]

122. Yeah, what's with that

in your face photo? Jeeeez!

[liberal4eva]

140. also,,,,

if you'll notice, she's AWFULLY CLOSE to her little "friend," is it trish??? doesn't the bible say some blah blah about "man lying next to man..." i guess manufactured lesbianism is pretty hot these days & will prolly go a long way toward selling her crapload of...crap.

[JHB]

53. Cripes! That's HER homepage?

What's with that monster photo? You can practically see what she had for lunch on her teeth!

At least we know that website design is among her (presumably many) non-talents.

[Blue Diadem]

74. OMG..in her friends and family section..her bro kills rabbits with rocks?

My bro Clint loves fishing, hunting, and killing anything else that moves. We're talkin' about a guy who kills rabbits with rocks...doesn't want to waste the bullets. He's also killed deer off our back porch...

http://tinaholewinski.tripod.com/Friends_and_Family.htm

[ClintonTyree]

98. What a freak, "the next Julia Roberts"....

god has other, more simplistic, idiotic plans for you I guess. :eyes:

What next... I went from baling hay, picking rocks, line-dancing, beating up my two younger brothers, making my daily bike rides to the nearby cheese factory (only to eat half the cheese on the way back home) to working on Hollywood movie sets. I love working in film/tv and volunteering at my home church, the Oasis. However, i recently discovered that God has a much bigger plan for my life, than to be the next Julia Roberts. I want to encourage the youth to live to their fullest potential. To not have to fall prey to what Hollywood produces on a daily basis. Here's to God in Hollywood...I'm ready to entertain, enlighten, encourage...

With this in mind, i do put my love life on the back burner. Nevertheless, i still think about my next chapter in life. Where I'd like to live someday. What kind of house I'd like to build, what type of person I'd love to wake up next to every day for the rest of my life. You know, those easy to answer questions. Then i realize, if i'm with the right person, the first two issues wouldn't make any difference. Like i always tell my friends, "I'd rather be with a great guy in a rusty pick up truck, than a jerk in a BMW." My main focus, however, is what purpose i need to fulfill while on this earth for such a short amount of time. Check out www.TRUELIES.com for the mission i'm currently working on :)

What I know for sure is that every moment is a gift from God. We are so fortunate to have FREEDOM to go after our dreams, to be able to laugh, cry, live and die. I pray that all of you reading this will find your purpose in life and live it to the fullest.

Thank god george bush has given us the right to laugh, cry, live and DIE? Freedom to DIE? :wtf: is this bimbo talking about? I think she's got a big chunk of cheese wedged in between her ears. :banghead:

[liberal4eva]

141. ugh

if i had closed my eyes & had someone read her bio to me, i'd would guess she had NO TEETH.

[Knight of Ni]

129. The Joker just called. He wants his SMILE back!

[newportdadde]

55. Great summary spot on.

[punpirate]

25. Hmm... the school system pays a fee...

... to a speaker on sex-ed at a mandatory attendance assembly who's affiliated with a pointedly religious group and who has no medical training whatsoever.

Seems like the United States to me....

[Sgent]

28. One thing that is correct in what she said

is that HPV is spread, condom or not. There is a reason 80% of 60 year olds have HPV antibodies.

[punpirate]

32. Okay...

... is "human papilloma virus can be transferred through condoms" true? No. The emphasis is on telling lies as if they are the truth. The fact that some small bits of truth (yes, they can be spread from areas not covered by a condom) are mixed in with the lies doesn't change the fact that the purpose of making such statements is to discourage condom use, and to scare kids into a) not using condoms and b) discouraging all sexual contact in the advocacy of abstinence, which, according to recent studies, is actually contributing to the spread of STDs in the teenage population.

Telling a tiny truth in service of a big lie isn't to be applauded. We have an entire government hard at work doing the same thing.

Cheers.

[LiviaOlivia]

33. And do you know that RW fundies oppose new HPV vaccine?

In the US, for instance, religious groups are gearing up to oppose vaccination, despite a survey showing 80 per cent of parents favor vaccinating their daughters. "Abstinence is the best way to prevent HPV," says Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council, a leading Christian lobby group that has made much of the fact that, because it can spread by skin contact, condoms are not as effective against HPV as they are against other viruses such as HIV. "Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful, because they may see it as a license to engage in premarital sex," Maher claims, though it is arguable how many young women have even heard of the virus.

see my post:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=217x1759

[Stinky The Clown]

26. If ya can't convince 'em not to boink ....... lie .... that'll work

[Warren DeMontague]

29. Hard Core Bullshit, more like. But it's okay to tell kids ANYTHING

in the pursuit of chastity--- not to mention savin' their fornicating little souls.

[Warren DeMontague]

31. Wonder what she has to say about pro-life nuts who fuck farm animals...

or walrus-faced UN nominees who force their wives to go to sex clubs.

[Bozita]

35. Do the mules have a chance to become "born-again virgins"??

Especially rural Georgia mules.

[LiviaOlivia]

135. Only Dem mules apparently

What would Jesus say?

[GreenPartyVoter]

37. O.M.G!

[Lilith Velkor]

39. I heard condoms increase pancreatic cancer risk by 6700%

Oh wait...nevermind.

(Yeah, yeah, I know.)

[Name removed]

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[countryjake]

40. She sounds like the perfect candidate...

to learn about the danger of PIES!

[Elwood P Dowd]

41. They also cause warts, vertigo, breast cancer, and global warming

They're even worse than the Clintons, who caused every other little problem not mentioned or still undiscovered.

[etherealtruth]

73. Sorry, there is NO global warming!

Just ask *

[Vyan]

42. Actually...

I believe the bit about "human papilloma virus" is true - however it's also true that their is a vaccine or something in developement for it.

In June there will be a movie on PBS on the subject of sex miseducation called the Education of Shelby Knox.

Vyan

[REP]

43. Condoms Can't Prevent the Spread of HPV, Which Does Cause Cancer

However, there is a vaccine that can prevent HPV infections. Guess who's against it?

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20050530&s=pollitt

subject to debate by Katha Pollitt

Virginity or Death!

Imagine a vaccine that would protect women from a serious gynecological cancer. Wouldn't that be great? Well, both Merck and GlaxoSmithKline recently announced that they have conducted successful trials of vaccines that protect against the human papilloma virus. HPV is not only an incredibly widespread sexually transmitted infection but is responsible for at least 70 percent of cases of cervical cancer, which is diagnosed in 10,000 American women a year and kills 4,000. Wonderful, you are probably thinking, all we need to do is vaccinate girls (and boys too for good measure) before they become sexually active, around puberty, and HPV--and, in thirty or forty years, seven in ten cases of cervical cancer--goes poof. Not so fast: We're living in God's country now. The Christian right doesn't like the sound of this vaccine at all. "Giving the HPV vaccine to young women could be potentially harmful," Bridget Maher of the Family Research Council told the British magazine New Scientist, "because they may see it as a license to engage in premarital sex." Raise your hand if you think that what is keeping girls virgins now is the threat of getting cervical cancer when they are 60 from a disease they've probably never heard of.


I remember when people rolled their eyeballs if you suggested that opposition to abortion was less about "life" than about sex, especially sex for women. You have to admit that thesis is looking pretty solid these days. No matter what the consequences of sex--pregnancy, disease, death--abstinence for singles is the only answer. Just as it's better for gays to get AIDS than use condoms, it's better for a woman to get cancer than have sex before marriage. It's honor killing on the installment plan.


Christian conservatives have a special reason to be less than thrilled about the HPV vaccine. Although not as famous as chlamydia or herpes, HPV has the distinction of not being preventable by condoms. It's Exhibit A in those gory high school slide shows that try to scare kids away from sex, and it is also useful for undermining the case for rubbers generally--why bother when you could get HPV anyway? In 2000, Congressman (now Senator) Tom Coburn of Oklahoma, who used to give gruesome lectures on HPV for young Congressional aides, even used HPV to propose warning labels on condoms. With HPV potentially eliminated, the antisex brigade will lose a card it has regarded as a trump unless it can persuade parents that vaccinating their daughters will turn them into tramps, and that sex today is worse than cancer tomorrow. According to New Scientist, 80 percent of parents want the vaccine for their daughters--but their priests and pastors haven't worked them over yet.


What is it with these right-wing Christians? Faced with a choice between sex and death, they choose death every time. No sex ed or contraception for teens, no sex for the unwed, no condoms for gays, no abortion for anyone--even for that poor 13-year-old pregnant girl in a group home in Florida. I would really like to hear the persuasive argument that this middle-schooler with no home and no family would have been better off giving birth against her will, and that the State of Florida, which totally failed to keep her safe, should have been allowed, against its own laws, to compel this child to bear a child. She was too young to have sex, too young to know her own mind about abortion--but not too young to be forced onto the delivery table for one of the most painful experiences human beings endure, in which the risk of death for her was three times as great as in abortion. Ah, Christian compassion! Christian sadism, more likely. It was the courts that showed humanity when they let the girl terminate her pregnancy.

[phylny]

99. Great post! An OB-GYN I know gave some staggering statistic

regarding how many people have the HPV. I'm sorry I don't recall the number, but it was HIGH.

Keeping these potentially life-saving drugs away from people is criminal. But, don't worry - we still have Viagra!!

:eyes:

[Thav]

117. HPV is dangerous.....

But not as dangerous as not being able to get it up! Can you IMAGINE how EMBARASSING that would be? Good thing insurance companies cover those prescriptions. Life saving drugs, pah, this is more important!

After all, the HPV vaccinations will instantly turn all women into harlots. Viagra has no such effect on men.

Here ends the sarcasm.

[LizMoonstar]

121. I heard the statistic as

70 percent of women will have it in their lifetime, and there's no way to get numbers on men because you can only diagnose the ones with visible symptoms. The carriers may never know, like my ex who still swears I got it from 'slutting around' with my two protected partners over a year we were separated rather than from him and his 4 unprotected partners over the same period (in his defense, he has nerve damage that makes it almost impossible to use condoms, but still.)

[Megahurtz]

124. I have NEVER seen a more fucked up bunch

running this country, as it is today.
"Christian sadism" is right. These people are fucking nuts!:crazy::crazy::crazy::crazy:

[Ellen Forradalom]

45. The goal of preventing ignorant rutting

is well enough served by the truth. There is no need to embroider it with lies.

Here's my rebuttal:
"Condoms lead to cancer": Huh?
"Birth control pills are only 20 percent effective": Under what circumstances?
"Sexually transmitted diseases are spread by skin contact alone": A major stretch. HPV can be spread through contact with skin uncovered by condoms. Not true of the others, as far as I know.
"Third-trimester fetuses can be aborted": No.
"Video games lead to homicide": No. Also, unusual concern for violence, from a right-wing fundy Christian.
"Human papilloma virus can be transferred through condoms": See above.
"Teens can achieve "second virginity" through abstinence.": Defies the definition of virginity. It's true, teens, and anyone else, can get a little space for themselves and reduce chances of diseases and pregnancy through abstinence. However, sex is part of the human condition. The point is to practice it as thoughtfully as possible.

[gollygee]

46. How do they rationalize this to themselves?

they go into schools and LIE to kids. LIE LIE LIE LIE LIE. How on earth do they think it's OK to completely make stuff up like that?

[LynneSin]

47. 80 percent of teenage girls who seek abortions are already on birth-contro

My first gynecologist told me a basic fact about the failure rate of birth control pill: 100% of the pregancies that occur with women on the pill are due improper use of the pill.

I would suspect that these girls that got abortion who were on the pill were not using them properly or just lying to cover-up the fact that they were having totally unprotected sex (ie no condom or some form of birth control pill).

[ClintonTyree]

102. Have you ever....

tried to push one of those pills up your vagina? It's a bitch, maybe that's why it didn't work, the pill fell out! ;)

Seriously, I believe you're correct. Taken correctly, they're very effective. Anybody that would believe this crap is probably too stupid to read the directions though.

[liberal4eva]

142. i second!!

i was on the pill for 12? 14 years....and had LOTSA sex.... never got preggers. did i mention LOTSA sex???

that's a pretty decent rate of effectiveness, wouldn't you say?

[Bouncy Ball]

49. It's HIGHLY irresponsible to be spreading such bullshit.

So a kid hears condoms cause cancer. He's in a situation where he and his girlfriend are about to have sex, anyway. But he remembers what this bitch said (lies) and refuses to use a condom.

OK, NOW they have BOTH risked getting STDs from each other AND they are risking pregnancy, as well.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THE TRUE GOAL OF THESE "PROGRAMS?"

Actual information that will HELP these kids or lies that will only serve to hurt them?

You really have to wonder. Good God, good for that dad, I'd sue the shit out of them too and I'm not a very happy to sue kinda person.

[Bouncy Ball]

50. Oh and here's a tip for all you parents of younger kids out there.

TELL THEM NOW. When you think it's an age-appropriate time YOU tell them the truth.

There is no way I'm going to tell my daughter condoms cause cancer as I've NEVER seen any stats on this at all. And what kind of cancer are they talking about? Cancer of the penis, which is one of the rarest forms of cancer around? If that were true, WAY more men would get that!

Or is it cervical cancer? Why aren't we seeing higher rates of that, then? And where are the studies to back up this woman's claim?

No, tell your kids the truth before the lying fundies get to them. Because God knows they don't give a shit what kind of bullshit they shovel out to your kids, as long as the district cuts that check to them.

:eyes:

Forewarned is forearmed. Arm your kids with real facts.

[Megahurtz]

126. HPV can cause cervical cancer

but this fucked up Administration is blocking the use of the HPV vaccine.
How fucked up is that?:banghead:

[triguy46]

51. the HPV statement

may have some truth. Possible explanations include that virus contact can come from body parts not covered by the condom.

this of course begs the question, what of the total body condom?

[sjr5740]

52. I really like her defense of why the pill is only 20% effective

She says that 80% of teenage girls seeking abortion are on birth control pills therefore the pill must be only 20% effective. What stupid logic!!! I don'e even know how to decribe how this is flawed it just is.

The only way to determine effectivity is to look at the number of pregrancies of people on the pill compared to the total number of users.

The pill is 99% effective and the unwanted pregnacies which do oocur are ususally from improper use i.e. forgetting to take it every day.

SJR

[HockeyMom]

54. Parents

So, tell me this. Will these kids be coming home and telling their parents that they the parents are going to be getting cancer from using condoms and to stop using them? If Mommy is taking the Pill, where are all the brothers and sisters they should have from the "failure rate"? ROFL

This isn't a stretch either. When my daughter was younger, a teacher in school told her that soda and coffee contained "drugs". My daughter came home and told me that if I drank them I was a "drug addict". That is what her teacher said. Unbelievable. She also said that she should not take medication from her doctor because they were drugs too. I had to sit down and have a long talk with my daughter about "good" drugs versus "bad" drugs, and the abuse of drugs. After which, I placed a phone call to her teacher.

Just imagine the nightmare all of this sex "education" is going to cause? I sure hope parents are aware of what is being taught in these schools because the parents are going to have many a long talk with their kids to clear up all this misinformation.

Or does Washington and the religious right really think that parents believe all this crap too?

[hobbit709]

56. The Name

of this organization tells you all you need to know about them.

[Bunny]

58. Did anyone notice that she lists Bowling for Columbine as one

of her favorite movies? Weird, isn't it?

[stevedeshazer]

86. Yeah, I noticed that too

:eyes:

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

62. Birth control pills only 20% effective?!

Amazing how the pill seems to work so well for so many women, yet it's only 20% effective. According to this woman the pill is just as effective as using no method of birth control what-so-ever.

[prodigal_green]

80. actually, with rates like that

I would recommend it as a fertility treatment. Go on the pill and increase your chances of getting pregnant!

[Zing Zing Zingbah]

LOL...n/t

[Solly Mack]

63. It's truly a shame that ignorance isn't physically painful

Have an ignorant thought... double over in intense pain
Attempt to pass on your ignorance as fact... writhe about on the floor in excruciating pain...


Seems fair to me.

We could step over them as we walk by and say "Ah, another one"

[SalmonChantedEvening]

64. Lyin fer Jesus!

No longer a cottage industry.

:puke:

[kissmygrits]

66. Bet she has some nekkid pictures somewhere

Who's the skinhead dude she's with?. Bet Larry Flint could come up with some nekkid pictures of her. She could'nt make it on the big screen so this is her new money making, attention getting gig. Keeps her in the Limelight. She will be getting her own radio advice show next with a phony Ph.D degree.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

70. Isn't there ALWAYS a skinhead involved?

Welcome to DU kissmygrits!!

:hi:

[sinkingfeeling]

67. This group, True Lies, was at our local school spreading this

stuff last year. A group of parents here was upset as well, but I don't remember if the school countered it or not (I stopped reading the local papers & watching local TV news last year)

[demgurl]

68. You know what?

If I were a parent whose kid heard these lies and then got pregnant, I would sue them. I would either sue them for abortion costs and pain and suffering or I would sue them for the amount it would take to raise the child. I would also try to get them to have to do community service in the form of every single TrueLies employee would have to take a sex-ed class and then go back to the schools and tell the kids the truth.

These folks are playing with the mental and physical well being of these kids and they must be stopped. They have to pay for what they are doing.

[Nickster]

69. Hmmmmm, can you smell the Theocracy in the air? Ahhhhhh

[formerrepuke]

71. And fundie dogma causes stupidity.......it's a fact.

[whistle]

76. Well if abstinence can bring on second virginity then I have had

...hundreds of those! :blush:

[sjr5740]

81. In fact by that logic I am a virgin whenever I'm not having sex

therefore most people spend 95%+ of their lives as virgins.

Isn't that good enough for the catholics? We can confess the other 5% away....

[depakid]

83. "mowing down some steak and baked potato"

Perhaps she and her publicist might consider a tour that includes a discussion about BSE (Mad Cow) and the serious poisons used in commercial potato production.

Nah... real science isn't hip anymore- pulling facts out of you ass is- and it's so much easier. Plus, it's good for the ratings....

[Mist]

133. Her webpage mentions food a few times -the one sensual

pleasure that's ok w/fundies. And BTW, couldn't the condom
companies sue for slander?

[DanCa]

84. True Lies

The name of her organization should tell you all you need to know about her and what she stands for.

[drm604]

87. I was thinking the same thing.

It certainly is an ironic name. I wonder what their intent was in naming it that?

[brainshrub]

88. It's a fact that 92% of condom users have had sex at some time.

[Robworld]

89. LIES! LIES! LIES!

Everything is so distorted today its impossible to know what is true and false

http://www.dumdumgoestothecircus.com/

[MissB]

90. Bwahahahaha

Yeah, yeah, it probably isn't a laughing matter. But.... :rofl:

[LibertyLover]

92. Abstinence speaker

Oy - she likes to get between and stay under the sheets as long as possible - and this woman is doing abstinence programs. Sounds bizarre to me.

Oh and Lisa, one more thing - children are not pets. Trust me on this one hon. I've got both pets and a kid and let me tell you - not the same at all.

[msrbly]

95. She's just an actress

Quickly perusing her home page tells me everything I needed to know about Tina Marie Holewinski. She's a paid actress. Take a glance at her "resume." She's a Wisconsin girl who thinks she made it "big" in Hollywood. She'd sell her soul for the right amount of money and if it looked good on her resume. She has no credentials to back up what she told these high school students.

[kissmygrits]

97. "She's just an actress" and not a very good one.

Wonder what casting couches she was on to try to get a gig. Bet she aint no Virgin either, just ask her male cousins back on the farm.

[Megahurtz]

127. Lol!

Hilarious!

[Nothing Without Hope]

105. Makes me wonder how many parents actually object? 1 in a 100? 1000?

Only ONE parent of all the students in this class objected to the blatant lies. And this is presumably a regular gig for this sick woman and there may well be more sick liars pushing the same message. So we hear about ONE PARENT being angry and demanding it be rebutted?

WHO HIRED HER? WAS THIS PROGRAM PUSHED BY FRISTIAN POLITICIANS OR FUNDIES?

How many children never hear that these are lies? Maybe some even in this class with the irate father, surely many, many others. And what else are they being told? That Fristianism is the only true religion and all others are evil? That Democrats are all Satan-worshippers?

The neocons are after our children, make no mistake. Just think what the next generation will be like. And then there's what they're doing in the Air Force Academy (and who knows about the other military academies):
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=1762771#1763754
Thread title: "WaPo: Air Force Academy religious bias probe – FUNDIE INFILTRATION?"
What's our next generation of officers going to be like? Where will their loyalty lie?

[KansDem]

107. "Condoms cause cancer?" Then don't eat any!

simple...

[UCLA Dem]

108. Wow. I wish I could say I was surprised. Its just horrific. Flat out lying

to push your own religious beliefs. I'm sure Jesus would agree with that.

[Deja Q]

110. Penis cancer? WTF? This speaker been watching Family Guy too often?

:shrug:

[napi21]

113. Don't they realize that kids are much smarter than they're given credit?

Those kids didn't believe any of that crap. For the same reason telling kids, or anyone else, that MJ always leads to heroin adiction, nobody believes it!

If they want to preach abstinence, just tell the damn truth. "We think sex outside of marriage is a sin and is just wrong." PERIOD! Tell lies and make up stores, and you loose all credibility on everything!

[darkism]

114. When you name your organisation "True Lies"

Maybe you shouldn't expect to be given the most credibility.

[patcox2]

115. Listen up, kiddies, if you want to really get mad.

A Federal law on the boooks since 1996 mandates that only those sex ed programs which teach "abstinence only" can receive federal funding. So thats nothing new. Under this law, the only information that a child is allowed to receive from a federally funded program, is that abstinence is the ony way to prevent pregnancy and STDs.

There is a provision in this law which explicitly provides that the only information which may be given to kids about birth control IS THAT IT DOES NOT WORK. The only information which can legally be given to kids about condoms is that THEY DON'T WORK.

So you see, this particular speaker is not a loon, at least not any more a loon than any person working in one of these federal grant-supported "abstinence only" programs. In telling kids about condoms causing cancerm she was simply complying with federal law.

Now I don't know about you, but this ought to be a lot more scary than just one loon spouting off her idiotic beliefs. I really can't dredge up much indignation about a lone loon. But this law, which passed under Clinton (I wonder if he vetoed it?) really is much more shocking. FEDERAL LAW MANDATES LYING TO KIDS ABOUT BIRTH CONTROL. Isn't that, well, beyond Orwellian?

Now it gets more and more interesting, read on. The law mandates that kids can only be told bad things about condoms, like how often they break and the fact that they are only 90% effective against pregnancy and disease. But thats not really all that scary, so the right wing loons looked far and wide for something they could really scare kids about, and they came up with the fact that condoms are not effective against HPV, the virus that causes genital warts (and all other warts as well. So for years now, the centerpiece of these "abstinence only" campaigns has been a propaganda-scare campaign about how "The HPV is gonna getcha if you don't watch out" (I get the impresssion that to the red state rubes, all acronyms are pretty much indistinguishable from each other, and as symbols of modernism, all are suspect, so this is really effective in the church basements of the south, where they hate AIDS, HPV, the CIA, and the NAACP equally).

Now this is pretty much a piece of idiocy, because the reason that condoms aren't effective against HPV is because HPV causes warts, and warts can be anywhere, so unless you pull the condom down ver your head and all the way to your feet, it is indeed possible to transmit your elbow wart to someone's knee, despite the fact that you are using a condom.

Nevertheless, its true, you can transmit HPV even with a condom on (though I don't know where you would get the HPV, I beleive that the condom actually does block transmission between the actual parts separated by the condom). But the Cretinous Fundies have taken this fact about HPV and run with it, making it the big centerpiece of their federally mandated disinformation and propaganda compaign. And this is where the cancer connection comes in. A big part of this scare tactic is for them to stress the true fact that HPV, when it infects the cervix, does in fact cause cervical cancer. So its not an out and out fabrication this woman is throwing out there. Though I still fail to see how my elbow wart is going to result in someone getting cervical HPV, but I am no scientist, who knows.


But the plot stinkens, because there has been a new development in the case of the Inbred Drooling Fundies vs. Condoms, and it happened just last week, when news broke that conservative groups are lobbying against FDA approval of an HPV vaccine which is now being developed. Yup, thats right kiddies, the Mouth Breathing Cretins of the Fundie Right (MBCOTFR)(Making up acronyms is fun, now I know why the Mogambo does it so much) want to squelch the development of the HPV vaccine, solely because it will take away their best scare story in the anti-condom crusade (of course, they also believe that any medical intervention in the case of fornicators stricken with STDs is wrong, as it intereferes with God's purpose of smiting them for their wickedness).

Now thats a good story, ain't it? Thats the world we live in.

[UdoKier]

125. They DO cause cancer!!!

If you light them up and smoke them...

[ott]

132. HPV, Herpes, Chlamydia, Gonorrhea, Candida ...

... Can all be spread by the skin around a condom. Though the, 'skin contact alone' bull shit is just that, you need major exposure or a mucus membrane at least, (except for candida which can be transmitted as easily as wearing someone else's socks).

[Ellen Forradalom]

136. It's reasonable to point that out

But blowing it up beyond the real risk into a big scare tactic will only backfire.

The facts will suffice.

[NMMNG]

134. Gah!

It's bad enough that these idiots believe these lies.

It's worse that they are allowed to pass them off to the nation's children with the blessing of school administrations and the government.

What really cheeses me is my tax dollars are funding this BS!:grr:

[jmcon007]

137. spit causes cancer, too.....

but only when taken in small doses over a long period of time.

[Nobody]

143. A rebuttal speaker would be a great idea (from the irate father)

Assuming that the school does get a rebuttal speaker, the speaker should mention the last speaker's bio. Not one whit of scientific or research background to back up the misinformation.

The speaker should also mention studies along with the facts, and hand out places to get more true info.

Oh yes, the rebuttal speaker should be the principal. In this way, the students will get the message that the last speaker was NOT qualified to give that kind of talk and gave nothing but untrue misinformation.

Right now, teens aren't dumb enough to be taken in by the lies, but you keep repeating them often enough and squelching the facts, the next generation isn't going to have the facts as available.

We have to nip the lies in the bud. They've gotten away with lying so blatantly for far too long.

Organizations everywhere should demand that the speakers they get be able to back up statistics with studies and other assertions with facts and source material.

[GoldenOldie]

144. $1500 speaker fee???

You can bet this did not include the costs of transportation, hotel and meals which those that contracted for her services had to pay.

She probably made more money in this one-hour gig than she ever made in "acting."

Having had the opportunity to be around highschool students, both grandchildren and interactions with the local highschool students, they are not as gullible as many parents/adults think they are. I have found that to be very savvy and they know when anyone is trying to con them.

They should bring this lass back for their career day and she can re-enact her talk to show the kids how they too can become a speaker. Select a really good subject that is being bandied about by politico's, religious fundies, bigots, etc. Take your show on the road to those areas of the country that you know where frictions exist between its people.

They used to call them traveling salesmen but they still are CONS and they can make big bucks by spewing their ignorance and hate. Look at Ann Coulter, she graduated Law school and has never actually practised law but has made millions talking hate, violence, bigotry, etc., etc. Whatever her followers want she is capable of providing the service......that is for a $20,000 - $35,000 speaking fee.

[Captain Ultra]

146. Actually, Ann did practice law.

She was part of Linda Trip's legal counsel.

Anyways, I was on the speakers site, and I found an ad for *gasp* birth control! A big banner for http://www.paragard.com/

The irony of google ads!