Peak oil ain't just about cars and heating

[LunaC]

Peak oil? No problem..."we'll just use hybrid cars and solar power" you might think.

But wait just a minute.....

"It is often forgotten by many people that plastic products are based on petroleum. A glance around any room will show how pervasive they are. There are many other oil-based household objects. The following is a list of just some products that may disappear with oil.

Air conditioners, ammonia, anti-histamines, antiseptics, artificial turf, asphalt, aspirin, balloons, bandages, boats, bottles, bras, bubble gum, butane, cameras, candles, car batteries, car bodies, carpet, cassette tapes, caulking, CDs, chewing gum, cold, combs/brushes, computers, contacts, cortisone, crayons, cream, denture adhesives, deodorant, detergents, dice, dishwashing liquid, dresses, dryers, electric blankets, electrician’s tape, fertilisers, fishing lures, fishing rods, floor wax, footballs, glues, glycerin, golf balls, guitar strings, hair, hair colouring, hair curlers, hearing aids, heart valves, heating oil, house paint, ice chests, ink, insect repellent, insulation, jet fuel, life jackets, linoleum, lip balm, lipstick, loudspeakers, medicines, mops, motor oil, motorcycle helmets, movie film, nail polish, oil filters, paddles, paint brushes, paints, parachutes, paraffin, pens, perfumes, petroleum jelly, plastic chairs, plastic cups, plastic forks, plastic wrap, plastics, plywood adhesives, refrigerators, roller-skate wheels, roofing paper, rubber bands, rubber boots, rubber cement, rubbish bags, running shoes, saccharine, seals, shirts (non-cotton), shoe polish, shoes, shower curtains, solvents, solvents, spectacles, stereos, sweaters, table tennis balls, tape recorders, telephones, tennis rackets, thermos, tights, toilet seats, toners, toothpaste, transparencies, transparent tape, TV cabinets, typewriter/computer ribbons, tyres, umbrellas, upholstery, vaporisers, vitamin capsules, volleyballs, water pipes, water skis, wax, wax paper"

http://wolf.readinglitho.co.uk/index.html

Now what?

[dweller]

1. it will go the way of the LP...

wait a minute??

HAIR!?!?

so that's why i've got a solar panel on my head...

dp

some strange items listed there: aspirin, cold, dice, ink (are vegetable based now), medicines (doubtful), paddles, tv cabinets (not wooden ones i presume) oil filters (duh), seals....seals?

[Lydia Leftcoast]

2. That's why it is essential to research alternatives to all these

products.

We could have gotten started 25 years ago, but no, our elected officials were in denial.

[Deja Q]

5. Accidental or deliberate denial?

This PNAC stuff is said to go back to Reagan's time and possibly even before.

Hell, nobody knew in 1972 how Nixon's trip to China meant the birth of rampant offshoring.

[Donailin]

3. Peak Oil a scam to keep prices inflated. . ?

I've been posting in a forum with science minded (cosmologists, geologists, physicists and science teachers) people for years and read this the other day, most there are inclined to agree with this and disagreed with the pro-peak articles I'd find here and drag there. These folks whom I correspond with are NOT conservative, they despise Bush as much as the rest of us. I just don't know, since I'm not qualified to have an opinion way way or the other, so for WIW:

http://www.gasresources.net/DisposalBioClaims.htm

Dismissal of the Claims of a Biological Connection for Natural Petroleum.



J. F. Kenney

Joint Institute of The Physics of the Earth - Russian Academy of Sciences

Gas Resources Corporation, 11811 North Freeway, Houston, TX 77060, U.S.A.

Ac. Ye. F. Shnyukov

National Academy of Sciences of Ukraine

Vladimirskaya Street 56, 252.601 Kiev, Ukraine

V. A. Krayushkin

Institute of Geological Sciences

O. Gonchara Street 55-B, 01054 Kiev, Ukraine

I. K. Karpov

Institute of Geochemistry - Russian Academy of Sciences

Favorskii Street 1a, 664.033 Irkutsk, RUSSIA

V. G. Kutcherov

Russian State University of Oil and Gas

Leninskii Prospect 65, 117.917 Moscow, Russia

I. N. Plotnikova

National Petroleum Company of Tatarstan (TatNeft S.A.)

Butlerov Street 45-54, 423.020 Kazan, Tatarstan, RUSSIA






1. Introduction.

With recognition that the laws of thermodynamics prohibit spontaneous evolution of liquid hydrocarbons in the regime of temperature and pressure characteristic of the crust of the Earth, one should not expect there to exist legitimate scientific evidence that might suggest that such could occur. Indeed, and correctly, there exists no such evidence.

Nonetheless, and surprisingly, there continue to be often promulgated diverse claims purporting to constitute “evidence” that natural petroleum somehow evolves (miraculously) from biological matter. In this short article, such claims are briefly subjected to scientific scrutiny, demonstrated to be without merit, and dismissed.

The claims which purport to argue for some connection between natural petroleum and biological matter fall into roughly two classes: the “look-like/come-from” claims; and the “similar(recondite)-properties/come-from” claims.



The “look-like/come-from” claims apply a line of unreason exactly as designated: Such argue that, because certain molecules found in natural petroleum “look like” certain other molecules found in biological systems, then the former must “come-from” the latter. Such notion is, of course, equivalent to asserting that elephant tusks evolve because those animals must eat piano keys.

In some instances, the “look-like/come-from” claims assert that certain molecules found in natural petroleum actually are biological molecules, and evolve only in biological systems. These molecules have often been given the spurious name “biomarkers.”

The scientific correction must be stated unequivocally: There have never been observed any specifically biological molecules in natural petroleum, except as contaminants. Petroleum is an excellent solvent for carbon compounds; and, in the sedimentary strata from which petroleum is often produced, natural petroleum takes into solution much carbon material, including biological detritus. However, such contaminants are unrelated to the petroleum solvent.

The claims about “biomarkers” have been thoroughly discredited by observations of those molecules in the interiors of ancient, abiotic meteorites, and also in many cases by laboratory synthesis under imposed conditions mimicking the natural environment. In the discussion below, the claims put forth about porphyrin and isoprenoid molecules are addressed particularly, because many “look-like/come-from” claims have been put forth for those compounds."

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[Salviati]

7. It doesn't matter if oil is produced biologically or not.

The fact that the wells that we've tapped here haven't filled up again means that even if oil is produced abiotically, it's not being replenished at nearly the rate which we're using it. The problem of Peak oil has absolutely nothing to do with the source of oil.

[Deja Q]

4. You forgot vaseline...

:evilgrin:

Plastics are the cornerstone of the medical industry. While rational countries have their costs under control, they too will rise as the cost of oil does.

[LunaC]

10. Give that dog a bone!

Love the graphic - thanks for the chuckle!

[murray hill farm]

6. Whew!!!

and, of course, that is not one tenth of a tenth of it! And there will not be electricity..or candles to light..as you mentioned...and there will also not be oil for oil lamps. there may be fires for heat, if you happen to live somewhere where there is enough trees and wood to burn for even one whole winter. There will not be grocery stores..but maybe we can plant enough food individually each summer to can for the winter..using the wood, of course for fires to cook and can the food. So, in many ways..many ways...linoleum, lip balm and loudspeakers will be the least of our worries. But...no problem...really..no one is paying attention anyway. So...glad u are...and hope all that are reading it..will pay attention to it too.
There are many things that people can do..beginning now...one is to get envolved with your own community..and convince your city or town or neighborhood to develop community gardens..this can even be done in large cities on the roofs of apt buildings..or in vacant lots or deserted building areas..and get some cooperation saving seeds..apple seeds, grapefruit seeds, anything that has seeds can be saved for reseeding..even if you dont have a garden area..plant apple seeds along the side of the road..dont waste seeds. there are many things that can be done now.

[LunaC]

9. And when we've used up all the trees

We're really, really, REALLY screwed cuz those trees are sooooo important for the ecosystem.

Off topic - I've been thinking of moving to Mexico - any useful tips you might offer?

[murray hill farm]

13. lunaC!

send me an email and we can discuss mexico...it is a wonderful country!

[HysteryDiagnosis]

12. We might be able to use water.... in it's

elemental form... reeeeeeealy elemental... didn't someone post something about some scientist from overseas finding an efficient method of cracking water into H and O2? I thought I read that here....

There is a bit of uplifting science at this site... at least I hope most of it is sound and not a load of malarkey. I hardly think that it all could be... so I am optimistic just a little.

www.CH2BC.org

[kaygore]

8. The Rapture is coming

so the people in decision making roles that could soften this disaster don't plan to be around when the results of all this folly hit the fan.

They will be sitting on the right hand of Jesus snubbing their noses at us...or so they think.

And it is really hard to get logical and positive action from people living a myth!

[Massacure]

11. We will never run out of oil. It will just get too expensive to burn.

Besides, oil can be synthesized for manufacturing.