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mitchtv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:35 PM
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Can we all please stop saying "pro Life"
you all know the term is "Anti- choice" ; Democratic party, not democrat party. Should we begin to call the Pukes the republic party?
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raifield Donating Member (350 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:51 PM
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1. How about 'pro-control'?
Why should a woman's body be legislated?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:52 PM
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2. Excellent point. Anti-Choice it is.
Does that mean pro-choice is anti-life, though?
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 04:55 PM
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11. So is
Edited on Sun May-15-05 04:57 PM by FreedomAngel82
it life if you are forced to have a baby and then the baby be unwanted and later in life find out they weren't wanted? What would that do to their psyche? What about if a parent is a single young mother and they can't afford to pay for the baby and are already having a hard time making ends meet? Or what if the baby is put up for adoption but is never adopted? How would that make them feel? The number two reason why women have abortion's is because of income. If you have a healthy economy (as in Clinton's years) the abortion rate will be better as in smaller. Since Bush has been president abortion has gone up 30% possibly more. So, tell me who is the pro-life one?
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 05:32 PM
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14. I'm not arguing that. I'm just saying if we reverse it they will too.
If we say "pro-life is anti-choice", they'll say "pro-choice is anti-life".

I think we should simply beat them to it and say "pro-choice is NOT anti-life".
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housewolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:55 PM
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3. Thank you
I've been saying this for months. We should not let "them" control the debate by adopting their use of language.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 03:58 PM
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4. I've always used "anti-abortion" or "anti-choice"
Most people I know are pro-life, however they feel about the distracting abortion wedge issue.
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 04:00 PM
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5. I like "reproductive slavery" for their viewpoint
because that's exactly what it is.

Nothing that forces a woman to face death bringing a pregnancy she does not want to term is pro life.
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KaliTracy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 04:16 PM
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6. reproductive freedom. reproductive choice. Birth control is being thrown
into the mix -- and if we keep up the Pro/Anti argument for just one aspect of a woman's reproductive choices things are going to get quite nasty -- for already there are groups of Doctors and Pharmacists refusing to prescribe/fill orders for regular birth control. Other hormone choices will soon come under attack.

In the late 60's (before Roe v Wade) -- my mother had an RH negative incompatibility, and had a stillborn a year after I was born. She had a 1 in 4 chance of having a live birth (this was before Rogam). The pill made her sick. She was refused a tubal ligation unless she had 2 psychiatrists sign a paper saying she'd be mentally instable if she had another still born. This was standard practice (and this was a time when employers would get medical records and use it against people).

You may think - "oh, but it's easy to get a tubal now -- that's not the issue." Reproductive choice IS the issue. The pill's been around since that time -- yet, that easy form of birth control is being challenged from many different directions. **

Reproductive Freedom. Reproductive Choice.

**Prevention Magazine a year ago -- the New Birth Control Ban.
http://www.prevention.com/article/0,5778,s1-1-93-35-4130-1,00.html
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me b zola Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 04:17 PM
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7. Agreed. We must stop saying this
Lately I have been seeing some Dem's say that they are "pro-life" but they are not opposed in to all abortions. This makes me crazy because they really are pro-choice, they are just being sucked into the repubs effective labeling machine. This is one of several things that is causing fissures in the Democratic Party. 99.99999% of all Dems are pro-choice, IMO, but because we are not using language correctly it APPEARS that we have substantial numbers who support the anti-choice crowd.


We must also stop saying 'pro-life' because there are large numbers of repubs (women) who support a woman's right to choose, but the language makes them feel as though they are more closely aligned to the republican view. Who wants to feel as though they are aligned with people who do not support & protect life??
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patricia92243 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 04:31 PM
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8. I use anti-choice. I wish the Democratic Party was the Democracy Party.
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stilpist Donating Member (335 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 04:53 PM
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9. Personally I prefer "For government control of reproduction"
You won't bother them by calling them "anti-choice." But since many of the "pro-lifers" like to complain about the government, it really pisses them off when you point out that they're pro government control. The cognitive dissonance might even make some of them think, although that's asking a lot.

You're absolutely right with your premise. They are NOT pro-life and we are NOT anti-life.
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 04:59 PM
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12. I've never tried that
Hmm. I'll have to try that sometime.
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Carolab Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 05:35 PM
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15. Similarly, we are NOT "pro-abortion".
Edited on Sun May-15-05 05:52 PM by Carolab
We are not advocating for abortion just for a woman's right to choose.

Similarly, I think we are not "pro-gay marriage", just "pro-equal rights".
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FreedomAngel82 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 04:53 PM
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10. What I call it
is "pro-fetus."
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thecorster Donating Member (336 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 05:12 PM
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13. I've heard it called Pro-Birth
and I think that's fitting. Once you're born, the repukes don't give a shit about you.
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caledesi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun May-15-05 05:49 PM
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16. Absolutely! I always use "anti-choice" etc....why use the rethug's
words!
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