FINE GREEN WHINES (Altercation)

[trumad]

Ha Ha Ha

"Speaking of people who need their (metaphorical) butts kicked, but good, Ralph Nader whines, “Old-timers years ago would have wondered what the Mayor means by marketing NYC. Cities were viewed more benignly when they were more livable, more employable at good wages, more replete with public institutions like good libraries, good public transit, good schools, good hospitals and clinics and good recreational facilities in the neighborhoods. New York City is crumbling on these measurements.”

Hey Ralph, no one, and I mean no one on the planet, is more responsible for the deterioration in the quality of life of my city than you are, bud. All you had to do was say, “I ran a great race and thanks for your support but this guy Bush is scary. Vote for Al, not me and we’ll we what we can get at the bargaining table….” But no, you wanted to elect Bush. And you did. Congrats.

All U.S. cities are struggling under the weight of the president’s malign neglect and the costs of his fiscal policies and needless war. And with all the damage you’ve caused the country, you’re worried about Snapple in New York schools. So shut up about my city, fella, and go get some help for that martyr complex of yours. You call yourself a progressive and yet you even tried to defeat Paul Wellstone. Sure, you’ll get your millionaire’s tax cut, but poor and working people in this city have enough burdens to bear without another hypocritical pro-Bush intervention this time around.

Get lost, Ralph. In fact, check with your buddy Dick Cheney. I hear he knows some really comfy out-of the-way, millionaire-only spots to get loose. And boy does that guy owe you a favor"…

(Let the spamming begin.)
http://www.msnbc.com/news/752664.asp

[Wonk]

1. I thought you lived in Florida? Why are you hung up on Ralph and ignoring

Jeb?

[Iverson]

2. as usual

The Hillary-bashing of the center is marked by sanctimony over all else. Now go back to your precious bipartisanship.

[trumad]

3. I haven't posted anything about St. Ralph in a long time!

This was in today's Altercation and I thought it was damn funny and dead on.

[gully]

13. Hillary didn't contribute to the situation were in today...

so your comparison is moot.

[ikojo]

4. Yesterday there was a thread about how REAGAN

democrats should be courted and welcomed back into the Democratic party. I was taken aback by the double standard. Dems will court REAGAN democrats but not those who supported Ralph Nader. Nader supporters are not welcomed in the Democratic party but yet are more aligned with the Democrats than anyone who voted for Reagan or Bush I and II. Trust me there were plenty of Dems who voted for Bush's I and II.

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

19. Green-types are supposed to vote Democratic and then SHUT UP

didn't you get the memo?

[Ardee]

5. No spamming Trumad

just some mild head shaking and wonder at your silliness, obsessiveness and refusal to see that your beloved party is in disarray, your candidates are, for the most part, Bush-lite, and your refusal to recognise this and take action, rather than blame outside 'agents' for the demise of and ineffectual stances by your party.

As long as people believe that you are not a right wing apologist for the sellout of the Democratic Party, as long as people fail to understand that the demonizing of Ralph Nader, and the GOP-like branding of all things "librul" is a smokescreen to keep folks from understanding that the DLC and the rightward shift of your party is the single greatest threat to the american political system since Joe McCarthy, then we are doomed to four more years of Bush....regardless of how his name is spelled.

[union_maid]

6. That post is a great example

It's a great example of why the Democrats can't court the Nader voters. Nader's people are, if anything, pushing the Democrats, and therefore the center, more to the right, because their villification of anything resembling a candidate or a platform that can win a general election makes their votes come at the price of many, many more votes. They're marginalizing themselves and unfortunately marginalizing some very good ideas in the process.

[Terwilliger]

11. and you're voting for Clark

Hmmm...if Nader and the Greens are moving the center to the right...why do most of the Dem candidates (outside Lieberman) refer to not wanting to be "Republican-Lite"

Where do you think that "Republican-Lite" concept came from? It wasn't from Al From. And you people now support a general for president? Ralph was right.

[trumad]

9. Please

Doomed for 4 more years of Bush and I'd like to thank the silly ass Greens for the first four years of Bush.

[Terwilliger]

12. You're welcome

and wrong...The DLC caused the loss of the house, senate, AND the last presidency.

I thank Al Gore for 4 years of Bush.

Can Democrats figure it out in time for 2004 :shrug:

[gully]

14. Bullshit...Your boy was instrumental in the situation were in today...

and you know it.

"The latest crime of the stolen 2000 Presidential election is blaming the victim of the stolen election - Al Gore - for the numerous illegal acts committed by the Bush campaign and its surrogates in their broad daylight theft of the Presidency. Both the evidence that Democrats.com has collected in its extensive investigation of the stolen election, and the election laws and procedures of the state of Florida, prove this "blame the victim" attack to be totally wrong."

http://www.buzzflash.com/contributors/2002/04/29_Stolen_Election.html

[Terwilliger]

18. I dont know it

YOU know it, and you're a partisan fool

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

20. Damn right! leftys should just leave the party!

or vote for Bush! wait a minute...

[REP]

7. Damn, You're Eric Alterman?

(I know you're not)

Don't agree 100% but it's still a funny read.

[G_j]

8. funny?

oh yea, clogging up GD with more useless flame bait is hilarious!
All this crap is ruining GD, thanks a lot!

[trumad]

10. Ruining DU...LOL

So critisim of St. Ralph is ruining DU?

[Ardee]

15. you aint that important

nor are any of us, to ruin anything. But your blindness and hidden agenda, though blatantly hidden, is certainly contributing to the ruination of the two party system......
Comntinue to villify Nader for speaking eloquent truths, continue to wonder why you go down to defeat after defeat, why your own politicians stand in the rose garden and smile while condeming thousands of Iraqis to death based on lies, continue to prattle on so smugly while you and your DLC destroy our economy and the peace and security of our world.....yeah, thats the ticket!

[IranianDemocrat]

16. St. Ralph...ROFL

lol

[FlemingsGhost]

17. Mad, once again you put the "fight"...

er... I mean "phyte," in the word neophyte.

It's Tru.