Women Will Have to Save the World

[gottaB]

Found this story posted over at Ms.

Is a global feminist movement rising up to oppose our dear militarists in the White House? I don't know, you tell me.

[prolesunited]

1. I like this statement

As Jasmina Tesanovic, a member of Women in Black in Serbia, says, "My enemy is no longer a bad hero, or a politician, or a person in power, but the culture that makes such primitive people possible and empowers them." The organizing is part of a culture war to end the love of military glory, power, dominance and hierarchy often taught as part of male traditions.

But I think men are perfectly capable of evolving as well and we need to get there together.

[Cheswick2.0]

2. I like the article

I hope the movement grows.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

3. cheswick ..i like your lineup...can i borrow and use it too?

"gore, braun, sharpton and kucinich" all the best!

[Cheswick2.0]

6. of course feel free

you will have to copy and past each avatar into your sig line. I left a space between each but I don't know if it is nessesary.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

4. this is true...always has been ...it ties in well with michael moore's...

chapter "the end of men" in his book "stupid white men"...moore knows the truth about what dastardly deeds men have done to the planet and humanity :( and mother nature is pissed!

[gottaB]

25. Ecofeminism

I run across ecofeminist ideas from time to time but have yet to give them much scrutiny. Besides Moore's book, could you recommend anything else to read?

[Capt_Nemo]

5. The problem is that

"Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely" is valid
for both sexes...
As Marie Antoinette said: "Let them eat cake"

see also:

Elizabeth I
Victoria
Indira Ghandi
Golda Meir
Maggie Tatcher

[prolesunited]

9. Would you like me to list the men

who are guilty of the same things. I'm sure my list would be MUCH longer. What about the women who have made change happen? Oh, that's much harder to find because their roles were written out of the history books. I had the pleasure of hearing Gloria Steinem speak this summer. I'll have to dig up my notes later because she had some excellent observations about this topic.

[Capt_Nemo]

12. See my post below

"The proletariat will save the world".
And the rationalization was just the same:
"Yes Joe Stalin was an SOB, but the capitalists have been doing the
same thing for centuries".

[ElsewheresDaughter]

11. touche Capt...but that's cause those women may have had too much C19H28O2

(testosterone)or CHO

[Capt_Nemo]

14. Well could be... but then did

Mahatma Ghandi or Mikhail Gorbatchov have too much Estrogen?
;-)

[ElsewheresDaughter]

17. Capt...probably

:P

[Capt_Nemo]

19. yeah, they were real girlies

and Nelson Mandela too! :evilgrin:

[WhoCountsTheVotes]

7. better hurry

we're not doing to well right now :)

[Fish Eye]

8. More Us vs Them

divisions...waste of time and not very productive.

Rhetorical bullshit at its best

Men=war
Women=peace

[Capt_Nemo]

10. Remember "The proletariat will save the world"?

We all saw what came out of that.
It is this kind of stuff that brings discredit to the left...

[Cheswick2.0]

13. that would be the male proletariat you are speaking of

the women were there to make the sandwiches.

[Capt_Nemo]

16. It's not that, it's the mindset

"This group or that group will save the world when they assume power".
When the problem is not about groups but about the very nature of
power.

[Cheswick2.0]

15. ooopps, women, Fish Eye says it isn't our turn yet

sit down and shut up women. God knows we don't want to separated ourselves from the middle management heaven that we have climbed up to occupy in their governments and businesses. </sarcasm>

[soleft]

18. "The male aggressive voice" Dammit, when are people going to grow up

Until people start taking out the sexual identity and gender prejudice in statements like this, we're going NO WHERE.

There were plenty, PLENTY of women who were just as if not more aggressive as the men rallying around the warlord president

It's agression. Period. it's male, it's female - it's a human characteristic.

[zanana]

20. Ann Coulter is a woman.

That's all I have to say.

[redwitch]

23. are you sure?

I'm not!

[gottaB]

21. Plenty, but not a majority

The gender gap in polling has been a pretty consistent feature of US opinion on the Iraq war. And of course, women favored Gore to Bush by a large margin.

The reason it matters. Of course we should be wary of allowing the majority to tyrannize us, but by the same token we should not allow ourselves to be bullied by minority extremists.

Before insisting upon gender correctness, consider it this way. An identifiable, constructed "male aggressive voice" has been leading us down the path to war and the general degradation of international relations. As much as you would like to decouple gender from aggression, the powers that be are working against you. And they have huge Marshall stacks. Your beef should be primarily addressed to Rove and Co., not at potential allies.

Ask yourself what's more vital in a political allegiance at this moment, peaceful co-existence between nations that are armed to the teeth and happy to lob bombs, or agreement upon your nuanced understanding of difference? Personally, speaking as a man, I prefer to align myself with those who share my views on the things that matter and allow some degree of aporia on questions of gender difference.

Okay, I really don't mean to trivialize your concerns, but I do think they're diproportionate and perhaps a little out of place. I reckon you have a different sense of priorities than I do. Perhaps you could explain them and what you think they would accomplish politically.

At this time I say if these women want to save the world from the Bushistas, more power to them.

[Rich Hunt]

22. yes and no

Normally, I'm weary of essentialism, but since 9/11, the most aggressive hawkish people I've encountered have been men.

Of course, I know many, many men who have nothing to do with it, and so you can't generalize.

But this blind vengeful aggressive freeper mentality is consistent with a desire to dominate...which makes it more likely that traditional types will adopt it.

I do feel that things have gotten more...macho in the US since 9/11. That whole "let's solve our problems by kicking ass" mentality really frightens and alienates me as a woman.

[opihimoimoi]

24. At the beginning of the French Revolution, it was the women who instigated

the initial movement. It was they who were pissed at the "Let them eat Shit" comment Marie baby said which later led her to the "Blade".

In America, the women must join together with those who see a great wrong doing by the Pubs and vote the scum Pubs out.

Come, we find the red bandanas

[ElsewheresDaughter]

26. an ABCT bump

[bloom]

27. peace

"There are no illusions about ovaries making all women good and peaceful. Instead, Ann Snitow of the Network of East-West Women urges women to acknowledge their past complicity with men's wars. Few expect Bush National Security Advisor Condoleezza Rice to give up her allegiance to traditional male stomp-and-rule values. But men who share their alternate vision are welcome in the movement."