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Postman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:52 AM
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No matter how you slice it, Bush is toast....
The administration is incapable of changing its Iraq policy without looking like the idiots we always knew they were. And a change is all that will save this fiasco from turning into something worse than Vietnam.

France and Germany will be the ones to hold Bush's feet to the fire as far as UN control in Iraq. Any capitulation to the UN by these clowns will be seen as a defeat to their own idiot voting block because of their own hardline rhetoric regarding the UN before the invasion.

A new President will be the saving grace of our country. A new administration with a new vision for peace will turn things around. Deeper involvement in Iraq will only mean more death and chaos.


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Guaranteed Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:53 AM
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1. The loaf, you mean?
;)
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Nashyra Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:57 AM
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3. Depends on who the candidate is
The repukes have a shit load of money and a powerful base, no matter how you slice it the Dem candidate has to appeal to the moderate, independent and swing voter. Check out Will Pitts post from last night, he hits the nail on the head.
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Brucey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 10:56 AM
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2. I hope you are right, but I believe
we are in for some surprises ahead. The repugs aren't gonna just sit back and let it happen. Many possible events: a UN compromise that Bush* will take credit for, another terrorist attack in the US that will put Bush* back in the driver's seat and sheeple will think $87bn is justified, or some other surprise I can't think of right now.
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NoKingGeorge Donating Member (442 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:00 AM
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4. Not without the Media.
All that you say is probably true and will come to pass Except the people of America will not frame it that way because of the media. The checkpoint on Nixon and Raygun was always the courage of the press to report assaults on American principles. Unless we can somehow get the corporate support out of the press , the whores will continue to collect their paychecks and ignore the future..
How can we get this kind of information to other Americans?
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cmd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:02 AM
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5. When he said 87 billion he lost
His money lovin' base thought the war was going to pay for itself. Now it has called home to ask for money. What would you like with your toast?
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Ouabache Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:56 AM
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10. excellent point coalminersdaughter !!
All the stories about how they would appropriate Iraqi oil revenue to fund the war. If the $eighty7B goes through there should be something attached to it that those revenues will repay the US Treasury. When that does not happen, and you know it won't ---impeach Bush on it if he is still around.
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reprobate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:26 AM
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6. Spot on, Postman! And think about this.

Bush CANNOT turn the situation over to the UN. This entire fiasco had only one purpose, and that was to alow the US oil companies to take over the iraqi oil reserves.

Letting the UN in would mean to turn over the oil to the iraqis, and Captain Codpieces handlers would never allow that. I have the feeling that the current beginnings of media attention to the failure of bush's policies reflects his backers disillusionment with him. They would not have allowed this otherwise.

So, I agree that he is between the rock and the hard place. Resistance in iraq is growing daily. We are starting to hear from the troops about how bad their situation is. He can't just declare victory and leave, the rest of the world wouldn't allow it. And the politicians are starting to look at where all the money is going.

I thought that the administration was starting to unravel this past weekend when bush and rice said just the opposite of what 'crashcart' cheney said about saddam and 9/11. Watch for more of the same.

Almost two years ago I said that this bunch would self-destruct because of their arrogence. Ain't it nice to be a spectator at the fall of an empire?
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chaumont58 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:38 AM
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7. In a sane world, one could reasonably think so, but....
remember what H L Mencken said years ago:

"Nobody every went broke underestimating the taste of the American People."
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Oracle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:51 AM
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8.  Syria, N Korea or Iran...the "avis of evil"
Edited on Fri Sep-19-03 12:03 PM by Oracle
Which one can Bush make a case for in the next year so we'll be at war at election time? To make America safer (they will convince) "from the terroist they harbor."

Nazi Rove knowing full well people don't vote out a sitting president when the country is at war.

The republican owned corporate media will flood the airways with Rove's bullshit logic, and push the patriotic button (which ALWAYS works) and the corporate media loves the ratings they'll get...

And perhaps they'll find those planted WMD right before elction time...either way the media will be doing story after story legitimizing it all.

Expect it!
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catmandu57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Sep-19-03 11:56 AM
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9. Not only toast but burnt black toast
It's going to be a very cold day in hell when another bush gets power in America. He's failed all around, even the tax cuts to the piggies are going to hurt him. He can't do anything for his looney toon base, no faith based money, abortion still readily available, no money for private schools because it's going to the rich piggies and to Iraq.
The flag wavers arms are tired and the mist is clearing from their eyes, the super patriots are paying out the nose for their gasoline.

Last night on CBS Dan Rather started the questions rolling, they showed clips of oil pipeline fires, dead american soldiers, and over and over again clips of jr.* saying saddam was linked to 11 september.

Have you noticed how this bunch of incomps have looked in just the last couple of days when they're on the news? Not so damn brash and bold, but pretty damn sheepish.
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