CBS News: SHOCKING statistics... real NEWS!!

[nostamj]

two stunners:

40 ATTACKS on US troops in 24 hour period. and specifically COMBAT attacks.

800 Iraqi civilians a month DEAD. more than the previous year. utter lawlessnes. and kidnappings. heartbreaking interview with Iraqi family whose young son was grabbed off the street.

they blame Iraqi police and 'the Americans' who DO NOTHING

wow!

(this is not about CLARK and, so, will vanish in less than 3 minutes. but this was encouraging and seems to be a trend on all three network evening broadcasts.

they are questioning W and questioning W's (fraud) 'war'

[Wetzelbill]

1. this stuff sickens me

Honestly, being so pissed off at this fraudulent garbage probably has taken years off my life. I hope they bury our administration this next year. I doubt any of the mainstreamers got the dash to truly do it, yet I can dream anyway. It's about time.

[FauxNewsBlues]

47. Dylan Thomas

Do not go gentle into that good night,

Rage rage against the dying of the light.

I hope the rest of you are as pissed off as I. Let us kick the living fucking shit out of the a-holes who are stealing our country. Pardon my Texan.

[clar]

2. Whoa

I hope it doesn't vanish. Every day, in every way, it just keeps getting worse. I feel increasing despair.

[whirlygigspin]

3. Don't let Judy Woodadrift find out CBS!

She might cry or make a face!

[tnlefty]

4. wow, and all that I've seen on the news all day is the supposed Kobe

Bryant hitman and Isabel..I was trying to get info. about the explosions in Baghdad. You mean there really is something else going on in the world???

[nostamj]

11. cable "news" is useless

the network evening news have been doing things that make me :wow:

sure, there's some predictable shit but, it's NOT leading the broadcasts and... DAMN they have been doing some SERIOUS questioning of all things W....

[Emboldened Chimp]

5. I think CBS made a decision

not to partake in the lies any more. Someone over there must have a conscience.

[Uzybone]

6. Since its not about Clark

it will be ignored. So while thousands die, some fools are worried about who Dem candidates may have voted for 20 years ago. We need to get Bush out. I was shocked to hear those numbers, I heard Robert Fisk report that in Baghdad that 20-30 a night arrive in the morgue. Thats incredible. Its good that this is finally getting some airtime on American news.


edited: to spell Baghdad correctly

[Patriot_Spear]

15. This post needs to have a thread all to its' self...

n/t

[OKNancy]

7. And then Rather has to add that things are

calm in other parts of Iraq. I prefaced it by saying that sometimes news is accused of a narrow focus. He went on to say that many parts of Iraq are calm.

[DoYouEverWonder]

31. Yeah, like in the desert

I bet there are large areas of Iraq that are calm. There are also large areas in the Iraq that no one lives.

[Booberdawg]

8. Jebus!

"they are questioning W and questioning W's (fraud) 'war'"

you mean the new broadcasters were questioning?

fuck the Clark threads :thumbsdown:

[Jacobin]

9. Gee. I didn't think they allowed the media

to report the news anymore.

Is this a Friday afternoon news dump to the smallest audience that watches network news?

Why not a "special" during prime time?

Would this be considered unpatriotic by the junta?

[nostamj]

17. "Is this a Friday afternoon news dump" ??? NO!

not at all. I had given up on most "news" programs. lately, I've been surfing the 6:30 EST newscasts and I've been stunned (and started a few threads!) about the re-awakening of the network news.

they have been HITTING Bush, Cheney, Rummy, the 'war', conditions for soldiers.....

and I mean ALL THREE NETWORKS. I just happened to lock on CBS tonight because of the two points posted in the first post

[Jacobin]

39. Good news then. I'm trying to be optimistic

:-)

[nostamj]

42. seriously....

they HAMMERED Bush, Cheney, Rummy when * finally admitted there was not linkage btw 9/11 and Saddam earlier in the week.

check it out. things are shifting. too many dead sons and daughters now that they're finding out there was NO IMMINENT THREAT

[wryter2000]

10. When is Congress going to DO something?!

He told them this week he lied about SH and 9/11.

I get so sick of hearing "Clinton lied under oath." The only reason Bush hasn't lied under oath is because no one has asked him one, single effing question under oath. That has to stop!

More letters to Congress. :mad:

[Uzybone]

27. Ive always wondered

since the "truth" is SOOOOO important to us, why dont Americans demand every president be put under oath before any major speech? At least that would spare us the problem of seeing Bushs monkey face on the TV, either that or we could charge him with 1000000 counts of perjury.

[RainDog]

46. when a president is elected

he or she takes an oath of office. one of the stated requirements of that office is that the president must give a state of the union address every year to share the truth with the American people.

Has any other president ever lied so blatantly about issues of national security in a SOTU? Did Johnson lie outright about Vietnam in a way which he surely knew about when he was prez?

I just wonder if there is any precedent for a president to lie to the American people in the one address he or she is required to give over an issue of such magnitude.

[calimary]

45. check www.congress.org - directory section. GO TO IT!

The directory section can provide you the phone numbers of EVERYBODY on Capitol Hill. EVERYBODY. House and Senate! Local AND their DC offices (which were closed down today because of the hurricane). So, in that case, call locally!

Please! I hope to God I'm not the only one doing this!

They have GOT TO KNOW that we absolutely agree with what Ted Kennedy said - that this war is a FRAUD and so much of the money we're spending every month is unaccounted for - for bribes, maybe.

You can bet they're hearing from the hate radio mavens, who do this enmasse. They need to hear from those NOT on the Dark Side. Folks like US!!!!!!!

Demand an investigation! Demand answers to ALL of our questions! Demand that the stonewalling stop! Heck, do what Springsteen recommends - IMPEACH THE BASTARD!!!!

[Gloria]

48. Toll free Capitol switchboard 1-800-648-3516 if you want to call

just tell operator the office you want

[Brucey]

12. good news...

hope this keeps up. We know the invasion was immoral and illegal. Thousands of people dead for what? Worst admin in history.

[Cha]

13. Thanks, nost, I am pleasantly shocked that they are reporting

this but the news tremendously sad!

We knew it would be Bad but to see it playing out this way about 7 months after we Protested our Hearts Out is to feel like kicking bush personally all the way back to crawford or wherever the hell he came from! :grr:

[TacticalPeek]

29. That damn Yankee cowboy is from New Haven fn Conn.

"I'm basically a media creation. I've never done anything. I've worked for my dad." - awol

http://www.allhatnocattle.net/DubyaQuotes.htm

[nostamj]

30. oh NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO.....

I am from New Haven. except for the brief (fraudulent) period he spent drinking at Yale, * had NOTHING to do with NH

Poppy went from CT to Texas and President POS was born and raised in TEXAS.

[Qutzupalotl]

34. But it's true

Born in New Haven, the Connecticut Cowboy is actually afraid of horses.

[nostamj]

36. but, he WASN'T raised in CT

or FORTUNATE SON is a lie.

I could be born in Kuala Lumpur (sp?) but if my parents move me to Peoria when I'm six weeks old....

[TacticalPeek]

35. I can understand your wishing it so, but somebody's gotta claim him.

Born July 6, 1946 in New Haven.

For a lonnnng time his WH web page bio omitted his birthplace (surprise), but I believe it now shows it. The webmaster must be a closet dem.

http://www.reaganfoundation.org/kk/stuff.asp?PresID=43

[sistersofmercy]

14. It's about time the true tragedy of this criminal war is brought to the

attention of the US public. I wish we could make this misadministration leave office NOW!

[sspiderjohn]

16. OMG, even worse than post-Taliban Afghanistan.

What are we DOING over there!!!

[ComerPerro]

18. Kick, a real GD thread

This seems to be getting worse and worse as time goes on. One thing that people need to bear in mind is all of the raids that take place. Soldiers are bursting into peoples home looking for combatants. Granted, this probably will eventually save the lives of US troops when combatants are herded up, one cannot overlook the new wave of Anti-Americanism that this potentially spreads.

The biggest problem with the post-9/11 climate is how we see ourselves. FReepers don't want to worry about why 9/11 might have happened (after all, they know why: terrorists hate our freedom). All they want is to punish anyone who looks like the attackers. This, however, fuels hatred and contempt of the United States, which builds a climate that led to 9/11 in the first place.

BTW, did you know that Gen. Clark is not only a war criminal, but is also Jesus Christ? He is the alpha and the omega, he is good and evil, the yin and the yang. He will lead the US to salvation, but will lead us to the brink of destruction. He is a riddle wrapped in an enigma....

[Pastiche423]

19. I, and those like me

who do not (will not) have cable, I appreciate your post. Nightline is the only tv I watch. Although they have reported well on several topics, they do not report on very day statistics and occurances.

Hey, it's only taken two and a half years, but I am glad they are reporting some truth now.

Thank you

[nostamj]

23. hey!

it is surprising, but, the evening news is (once again) worth checking out.

and, worth letting them know that WE appreciate seeing real news again.

[tabasco]

20. When will they stop trying to claim that it is all terrorists?

And simply Iraqis fighting a foreign invader?

[veracity]

32. They won't stop.....the trap was set!

...when Dubya made his terror speech last week.
http://tvnewslies.org/html/terror_trap.html

[sandnsea]

21. Thanks, I'm west coast

I'll make it a point to watch. Probably ought to watch a little more often, maybe if their ratings go up, they'll all get the message. These attacks are getting worse and they aren't going to be able to pretend it away.

[nostamj]

25. please post details!

I had my jaw in my lap when I heard the attack numbers and then the Iraqi civilian death toll. it was a MILITARY guy who said that these were COMBAT attacks. no mention of "terrorists"

forgot this in the first post:

3 dead, 18 wounded in 24 hours. the military guy opened admitted that things were escalating.

[diamondsoul]

22. While the truth sickens me, I'm damned glad to hear

someone in a position to do so is putting it out there FINALLY!

[Starpass]

24. You might want to look at what I just posted 5 minutes ago

title was like: Do You Know How Bush Is Now Going to Spin this War?? (something of that nature). This is what I found out today about how they are going to try to counter all this 'bad' news.

[nostamj]

28. just did and posted

if you like this thread, you'll like THIS thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=370744

it's a CLARK-FREE zone (and, :wow: actually ABOUT something!!

[LittleApple81]

26. I am so happy. A breather from all the bashing posts with real news

an commentary. Thank you, thank you, thank you.
Just kicking this up.

[nostamj]

33. thanks for the thanks

I am SO SICK of the General Clark Discussion Forum

on edit: you all need a TOON break!

CARTOONS! The "World View" Edition

[absolutezero]

37. kick

I'm sick of all the bashing/why you shouldn't bash threads too...we need real discussion not "clark can't be prez cuz he voted for raygun"

[gristy]

38. Robert Fisk reported this same situation to Amy Goodman

on Democracy Now yesterday: www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=03/09/18/1757243

Time for any shocked DUers to lay off Clark posts for a while, maybe.

[ElsewheresDaughter]

40. gessh i just heard nachman say everything was peachie keen in Iraq!

[nostamj]

43. peachie keen = rotten and full of PITS

not Will Pitts

[ElsewheresDaughter]

41. bump

[laylah]

44. Do we dare hope

that FINALLY the regime change WILL begin at home? While my heart breaks for all of the unwarrented deaths, Iraqi and American, I am cautiously optimistic that the house of cards is starting to fall!

jenn

[Gloria]

49. RE: escalation.....maybe the prediction in this article is coming early...

From the current World Media Watch (URL below)


1//Asia Times Online September 19, 2003

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EI19Ak02.html



The Roving Eye

(JUST) ALIVE AND KICKING IN BAGHDAD

By Pepe Escobar

BAGHDAD - "Saddam is in Baghdad." The former University of Baghdad student, recently graduated, is adamant. "Here he is very well connected, and as he has so much money, he can bribe anybody," adds another.



(SNIP)

Baghdadis once again listen to that ghostly voice from the past with cool detachment. But what the former students are saying basically mirrors what a Jordanian intelligence source with extensive contacts in Iraq told Asia Times Online in Amman. Colonel Joe Anderson, commander of the 101st Airborne's 2nd Brigade in Mosul, is searching the wrong place, in the Kurdish north of the country. "Elvis" - as the GIs call him - has not left the building. Elvis-Saddam continues to operate in the bowels of the Iraqi capital itself.



(SNIP)



The convergence of views between Baghdad students and the Jordanian intelligence official is remarkable - and is widely shared by the popular voice of the bazaars. The perception is that "the Americans" engineered both the UN bombing that killed special envoy Sergio Vieira de Mello, and the Najaf bombing that killed Grand Ayatollah Mohammed Baqr al-Hakim (the Jordanian insists the Israeli Mossad was responsible for the Hakim bombing, which benefits the Americans by splitting the Shi'ites and pitting Sunnis against Shi'ites). All agree on what the US agenda is: to maintain a perpetual state of chaos, enforce the control of the fabulous Iraqi sources of energy, and use this new, sprawling military base in the heart of the Middle East to harass Syria, Lebanon, Iran and Saudi Arabia.

SNIP

The resistance will get much stronger - and this has nothing to do with Saddam's flurry of cassettes. There seems to be an overall consensus in Baghdad that most Sunnis are on "wait and see" mode for two more months before they switch overwhelmingly to guerrilla struggle. And the Shi'ites will also be waiting for another two months. This seems to be the final window of opportunity for the CPA and the Governing Council to alleviate the daily hell faced by the Iraqi population.



(SNIP)

[Renew Deal]

50. Haig is an a**hole.

General Haig was on TV last week talking about how great Iraq was. He made it seem like Club Med even though everything said otherwise.

[RainDog]

51. the Bushies have shown themselves incapable

They are clearly incompetent because they were not willing to face reality...or those who knew reality were also lying about that to the American people...

at this point, I don't know which one seems more feasible.

They had no viable exit strategy.

They had no coalition which support from the Iraqi people. They apparently thought they would be able to waltz into Iraq and install their puppets and no one would mind?????

of course, if America is their basis for comparison, that's what they did here in 2000, so maybe they really did believe their own b.s. Not to mention their refusal/failure to truly address issues of national security within America's borders.

They lied about the amount of time and money required, or else they were incompetent.

Either way, they have gotten us into such a mess, at such a bad time to do so, it's too bad they can't be run out of Washington on the backs of greased pork bellies.

They have made the world a more dangerous place for now, and it appear for years to come.

add to this...they haven't secured Afghanistan, nor taken the Taliban out of power enough to ensure the liberty of the people there who suffered under those assholes which we armed and supported for years.

the one thing they have done, of course, is the deal to run a pipeline from Afghanistan to Pakistan. India needs to come on board next, but seems they will since Israel is making overtures to India.

you know, I just had a creepy thought. what if bin Laden is still a CIA operative and he has a deal with the Bushies. His attack gave them the pretext to invade Iraq...he also benefits because he hates Saddam because he's a secular ruler...or a threat to muslim nations.

the 9-11 attack also allowed the invasion of Afghanistan so that the Unocal pipeline could be built..

America is talking about Syria in terms of an invasion...another secular regime, and then there's Saudi Arabia...which may or may not be aligned with bin Laden. Maybe he wants the house of bin Laden to replace the house of Saud.

okay, that was a moment when my imagination ran away with me. but some parts of the whole idea, considering our nation's history of blowback/continued bad policy/secret agreements with despicable leaders (Pinochet, The Shah, those Central American nasties...)

The Bushies have lied so often, it's easy to wonder what the truth may be, though.

[Cheswick2.0]

52. Kick for a thread ABOUT something

I really am going to have to watch the evening news more often. I swore off it about 3 years ago.

[oasis]

53. Network news coming out of mothballs. n/t

[TeeYiYi]

54. Question W . . .

TYY

[MoonAndSun]

55. It is important that we watch the Big 3 broadcast networks,

they have an audience of around 30 million. FAUX has about 2 or 3 mil at the most. We get so upset with the O'Lielly's and the Tweety's etc., but they have a very small, partisan audience. The Big 3 are very important in getting this war info out to the general American public.

[nostamj]

57. i love it.

have you posted this on www.questionw.com ???

it totally belongs in the gallery!

[TeeYiYi]

58. Thanks nostamj . . .

I made it for you. :hug: I'm glad you like it. Please feel free to use it in your gallery. I would be honored.

TYY :hi:

[nostamj]

59. OK

I saved it to my home drive.

will upload to the "general" gallery tomorrow.

p.s. MORE!!

[goforit]

56. You go CBS!!!!.............Let the truth ring loud and clear!!!

The truth is ugly!!!
The truth is sad!!!
The truth is unbelievably painful!!!

Yet the truth must be heard so that we can all be reborn!!!!

[NJCher]

60. Consider the absurdity

Iraq has dissolved into chaos. Forty combat attacks in 24 hours against U.S. forces. Americans are dying in larger numbers than ever before. Eight hundred Iraqis dead every month.

Yet the republicans view it as a "perception problem."

If they correct the media, they will correct the problem.

Abso-effing-lutely incredible.


Cher