CNN Just broke in with "Deal made on the filibuster debate"

[Kevin Spidel]

Liberman staffers and other Democratic Senate Staff confirmed...

more at www.cnn.com


stay tuned...

[deadparrot]

1. Oh, god.

I'm scared.

[ultraist]

15. BRACE YOURSELVES!!! Lieberman is involved!!!

:nuke:

[Pacifist Patriot]

18. Damn! My very first thought.

[FreedomAngel82]

Why am I not surprised?

[shance]

20. Absolutely.

n/t

[Individualist]

28. The corporatists have screwed us again

[ooglymoogly]

54. it looks like they caved in and allowed cloture on the two religious

natzis...i don't get it...looks to me like the pukes got everything they wanted without having to do something very stupid that would have destroyed them in 06

[Carla in Ca]

40. From Dailykos

BREAKING: CSPAN2, Frist just called for quorum
by bewert


Mon May 23rd, 2005 at 14:43:19 PDT

and asked that all absent members be requested to come to the floor. Could this be it?
I'm hand delivering a letter to the local office of Gordon Smith later this afternoon, and plan to engage in a little chit-chat with the staff. Should be interesting, as my mug was all over the local TV news leading the MoveOn Rally for the Filibuster.

Tune in if you can, its on the net at c-span.org.



Senate Avoids Showdown
<http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7957374/>

[SmokingJacket]

2. Damn.

I wanted a showdown.

They better not have given too much away...

[LSparkle]

3. Hm, and Bayh just halted in the middle of his speech

Maybe someone passed him a note.

If this is true, Joe-Mentum is going to take credit and hope he can keep Dems from running someone against him in '06.

[cornermouse]

6. I will never vote for Lieberman.

I don't care who his opponent is.

[bemildred]

4. Geee. Who could have predicted this?

:puke:

[MelissaB]

5. Nominated!

[DaveinMD]

7. any deal

that preserves our right to filibuster supreme court nominees is fine with me. Incidentally, DU hero Barbara Boxer said the same thing last week on the Ed Schultz show.

[Kevin Spidel]

8. AP Confirmed - Senate Moderates to hold Press conference at 7:30EST

on msnbc now!

[deadparrot]

10. We still have moderates?

*sigh*

I hope they haven't given up.

[Al-CIAda]

9. Galloway has left the building...n/t

[sarahlee]

19. Hope not. . . .

"Galloway has left the building.."

I would laugh, but I hope some of his spirit has remained.

[in_cog_ni_to]

11. NO F****ing way!!!!!!

Did they say what the deal is? :grr:

[ultraist]

12. No details yet...

A bipartisan group of senators has reached a deal to avert a showdown over President Bush's judicial nominees, congressional sources tell CNN. Details soon

[in_cog_ni_to]

17. Crap. What did they give away? Which RW

radical, wacko nut job Jesus Freak judges will they confirm? I wonder?

Can't wait to hear this one. :eyes:

[me b zola]

45. yep, we will give away the store

they will vote for cloture on Owens, Brown, & others in exchange for avoiding the nuclear option. Just wait, the rethugs will use the nuclear option whenever it suits them in the future. What have we gained? Bring the Dems a wheelchair for their degenerative spinal disease.

[saltpoint]

13. For those of us who don't use cable news, what happened?

[ultraist]

16. We don't know yet, except they struck a bipartisan deal

[saltpoint]

44. thanks, ultraist. I just wasn't aware that a deal had gone down --

-- I hope we didn't give up too much in this deal.

Thanks again.

[IChing]

14. Lieberman or Senator Palpatine

Anything they do reminds me of a conspiracy against the republic.

[lonestarnot]

21. Holy shit not Lieberman the sell out dumbshit... hate the fact

he is in on any deal!

[Pithy Cherub]

62. are you hurling yet?

:puke: joementum is joined by others who drank from his cup...

[Pacifist Patriot]

22. Good grief, I hoped they maintained the right to fillibuster...

Supreme Court nominees.

[GreenPoet64]

26. That is my concern too! Perhaps we have not lost all . . .

we shall see.

[SmokingJacket]

27. Holy carp.

They wouldn't give that away, would they???

Tell me they wouldn't!!!

[Pacifist Patriot]

30. My understanding is that this was the sticking point.

We can only hope it stuck.

[wildflower]

23. AAR's Sam Seder is there (Washington) now - Sen. Harkin on next

Sam's been on the phone w/ Janeane.

www.airamericaradio.com/listen.asp

He's heard about it now and I assume they'll be talking about it more.

He says Senator Tom Harkin will be joining them in the next segment.

[Kevin Spidel]

24. "We've got a deal," Nebraska Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson told reporters.

[lonestarnot]

25. So what the fuck is the deal.... we're waiting!

[Kevin Spidel]

49. all i got so far is...

"We've got a deal," Nebraska Democratic Sen. Ben Nelson told reporters. Agreement would clear the way for yes or no votes on some of Bush's nominees... Dems pledge not to filibuster any of Bush's future appeals court or Supreme Court nominees except in 'extraordinary circumstances'...

[Kevin Spidel]

29. God help us - McCain and Lieberman lead effort...

Sad... I am a proud dem and feel better that McCain is on on the deal versus Lieberman.

Still on the phone with staffers on the hill... brb.

[lonestarnot]

34. SHEET! This means we shot ourselves in the foot from the sound of it so

far.

[intheflow]

So true.

I'd trust McCain over Lieberman any day of the week. Calling Lieberman a moderate Democrat is like calling Godzilla a lizard.

[FreedomAngel82]

48. Isn't that sad?

You can't trust one of your own but you can trust an "enemy" over him. I'm with you though. Don't know what it is but he has that sense.

[MelissaB]

31. McCain entering...

here we go...

[MelissaB]

32. or maybe not.

Crap! Just tell us!

[deadparrot]

33. Oh, get on with it! nt

[Scout1071]

35. Of course, McCain is delivering the word....did he just wake u from a nap?

He's got a little bed head going on there.

[FreedomAngel82]

51. Or maybe a bad hairday

I hate those. I used to get them a lot in high school when I'd take a shower late and go to bed and wake up a few hours later. Heh.

[Kevin Spidel]

36. A new Senate Caucus.. maybe a new party?

The Moderate Caucus is having a Press conference...

hmmm how many Americans now want a Moderate Party.

Interesting.

The Judges are approved it appears... more soon.

[Kevin Spidel]

43. Just in... Democrats lose spine

We will not use the Filibuster, if you promise to keep the Filibuster.

We will promise to vote up or down, if you stop threatening Democracy.

We will promise to roll over on this issue if you stop making us look bad.

We will promise to allow the confirmation of the judges if you stop the threats.

makes me proud to be a dem :(

a sad day.

[AuntiBush]

83. I'm Sad with ya!

Sick, actually.

At this point, we live in the UN-United States of Confusion because I no longer have a clue as to what democracy is anymore. Owens/Brown shoe-ins: Bye-bye Social Security, Enron/Halliburton/Delay works.

Only Possiblity: These few Republicans are fearful of too much Frist/B* power.

[understandinglife]

37. Under the agreement, Democrats would pledge not to filibuster any of Bush'

...future appeals court or Supreme Court nominees except in "extraordinary circumstances."

Centrists Reach Deal to Avert a Showdown Over Judicial Nominees
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
Published: May 23, 2005
WASHINGTON -- Centrists from both parties reached a compromise Monday night to avoid a showdown on President Bush's stalled judicial nominees and the Senate's own filibuster rules, officials from both parties said.

These officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the agreement would clear the way for yes or no votes on some of Bush's nominees, but make no guarantee.

http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/national/AP-Filibuster-Fight.html?hp&ex=1116907200&en=5f454e05fdcd1189&ei=5094&partner=homepage

ANY DOUBT THAT "AMERICA" CEASED ON DECEMBER 9 2000 HAS NOW BEEN ELIMINATED.

Peace.


www.missionnotaccomplished.us

[lonestarnot]

39. What so we give it up anyway? WTF?

[deadparrot]

42. WTF does that mean? nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

50. OMG! What's the damn POINT of having a friggin' filibuster then?

This really pisses me off!

[FreedomAngel82]

56. Smokes and mirrors people

This is all for something bigger.

[Mnemosyne]

75. I agree FreedomAngel, unfortunately. Damn. n/t

[understandinglife]

58. ANY DOUBT THAT "AMERICA" CEASED ON DECEMBER 9 2000 HAS NOW BEEN ELIMINATED

We have indeed returned to 1775 and a major skirmish has just been lost.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3708092

Peace.

[Individualist]

66. Liebershit to Chimp:

Of course we'll go along with a dictatorship. :puke:

[ultraist]

38. McCain on...

Thanking Frist and Reid. Byrd and Warner provided a beacon and were vital to this process.

Agreement: vote for cloture for Brown, Owen, & Pryor.

[lonestarnot]

41. Fuck it all anyway!

[MelissaB]

46. Bryd says we have kept our republic.

[Just Me]

52. I am confused as hell!! They are still talking on the Senate floor!!!

No filibuster in the future? Does that mean they are filibustering now?

[in_cog_ni_to]

55. They are "debating" now.

:eyes:

[Just Me]

65. Why? Why, if there has been this decision of no future filibusters,...

,...except in "egregious circumstances"? Are they taking the position that these are "egregious circumstances"?

OW,...my head hurts!

[bemildred]

57. They are all lying whores and this is all a sham.

Does that help?

[Blue Belle]

47. Here's this from MSNBC...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7957374/

No Filibustering... except in egregious circumstances. So in other words, the Judicial Nominee must be the spawn of Satin before the Dems can filibuster... such bullshit.

[deadparrot]

53. Who decides what an extreme circumstance is? nt

[in_cog_ni_to]

63. No kidding.

One man's extreme circumstance is another man's wonderful, qualified, highly respected judge.

[deadparrot]

67. A lot hinges on who gets to decide, I'd think. nt

[DougieZero]

59. huh?

so basically 7 of the republicans got 7 of the democrats to vote for the judges?.... and we win how?

[ultraist]

64. They got 3 of the judges for sure and we got to save the fillibuster

With a promise not to use it except in extreme situations. They didn't get an agreement on the other two judge nominees.

[in_cog_ni_to]

71. So the 3 radical right wing wackos will be on the SCOTUS

and we can kiss Roe v. Wade good bye and hello to any radical right wing agenda they wish to advance. What kind of deal is THAT?

[ultraist]

73. It's a FUCKING SELL OUT!

At least three extremist radical judges in exchange to keep the fillibuster with the promise to not to really use it.

They need to give us the DETAILS of their little backroom CENTRIST deal. Oh, big surprise! Lieberman and Landrieu are involved.

[in_cog_ni_to]

78. This is sickening.

We, at DU, need to take our 70,000 members and start a NEW party! This is BULLSHIT!

[ultraist]

74. sorry dupe

[Just Me]

60. Uh,...we are facing "egregious circumstances" since we are talking about,.

,...extremist judges being PUSHED back through!!!

[FreedomAngel82]

61. Ugh

Dems should just pack it up and leave. I don't like this at all. None of those judges! Say goodbye to your freedoms. It's been nice knowing them.

[Horse with no Name]

68. You forgot

The spawn of Satan with DNA proof.:cry:

[Mandate My Ass]

70. So we've let 90% of their radical wingnuts be confirmed

and now we're going to let the real loonies get confirmed too, as long as their heads aren't doing 360's, they're not spewing split pea soup and levitating?

:wtf:

[in_cog_ni_to]

72. LOL!

YUP. That's the deal. Wonderful, isn't it?

[BamaBecky]

85. Spawn of Satan.....lol.....lots of those around.....riding elephants! n/t

[d_b]

69. What are these 'extraordinary circumstances'?

Do they actually have to wear the swastika on their sleeve?

[ultraist]

77. Bush threw his temper tantrum and got what he wanted

"I want an up and down vote and if I don't get it, I will DESTROY the fillibuster!!!"

[Carla in Ca]

81. Read this 'Dumb ass' entry from Kos

Dumb ass
by kos
Mon May 23rd, 2005 at 14:57:00 PDT

President Bush:
Q: <...>And if I may ask you, Mr. President, as you know, the casualties of Iraq is again high today -- 50 more people dying. Do you think that insurgence is getting harder now to defeat militarily? Thank you.
PRESIDENT BUSH: No, I don't think so. I think they're being defeated. And that's why they continue to fight.

So if the insurgents stopped fighting, would that mean we were losing? What the hell kind of answer is this? What the hell kind of logic is this supposed to be?
________________________________________________________

MY VIEW:

His approval ratings are tanking. If we play our cards right, the Dems could get control of the House or Senate in 2006 then we won't have to worry about his nominations...unless we can get him out first. Possibility?

[MelissaB]

82. god, i hope so!

[Carla in Ca]

88. Lott was booted, Frist had to compromise today

because he didn't have enough votes. If we stay focused, this pattern of awful leadership will do them in.

[flyarm]

89. CARLA..WHAT DO YOU MEAN LOTT WAS BOOTED??

sorry i missed it and the press conference. what do you mean about lott being booted??
thanks ..

[Carla in Ca]

90. Sorry...

Trent Lott, as the former Majority Leader, was booted and Frist took over as leader and now it looks as though he can't control his rank and file either.

[flyarm]

91. THANKS FOR REPLY..I WASN'T SURE IF YOU MEANT

that ..or that he got booted for something today..thanks for clearing it up..and i guess i was a bit numb and not realizing you meant previously...and yes looks like frist lost his case today as well..thanks..

[Blue Belle]

79. Not on their sleeve persay...

I think they draw the line at having a swastika on their forehead though... I mean, where are the Homeland Security Brown Shirts supposed to put the the official "Tracking" barcode if not on the forehead??

[AirAmFan]

76. Did you catch today's Orwellian inversion: The 'Constitutional option'

mentioned by just about every Republican speaker at the press conference is what Trent Lott dubbed the 'Nuclear Option'! A procedure in which Cheney would his biggest lie yet and "interpret" Senate rules to mean the opposite of what they've meant for more than 200 years is now the "Constitutional option"! And the Rethugs have succeeded in bullying the Dems with this threat, AGAIN.

[hvn_nbr_2]

80. Quislings. n/t

[tinrobot]

84. Just like the cold war

Show massive force and wait for the other side to blink.

We just blinked.

I honestly thought this was the GOP strategy all along - threaten nuclear war to bring the other side to the table. None of those judges would have gotten through if we had filibustered, but now some of these atrocious judges have.

Now, any time they want something, all they have to do is threaten the end of the filibuster and we will happily negotiate.

They win.

[Cocoa]

87. the Cold War ended without a nuclear holocaust

so did this.

[ananda]

86. I'm in mourning...

I'm deeply saddened by the death of the system of checks and balances that is so important to this country.

Everyone loses with this compromise.

I knew it was coming, but in a way I would have been happier with a complete loss by the Dems because then the Reeptiles would implode and go down sooner. Now it's just a slower, more painful agony.

Sue