Conyers MINUTES letter- for naysayers and those afraid to sign

[Mnemosyne]

First a word to all naysayers of the signature collection by Mr.Conyer,

If they continue unabated things will only get worse and we may lose the chance to do anything at all. The elections did not go very well and it may not be a fair election ever again, or at least for awhile into the future. IMO

An investigation could bring out those behind the smoke and mirrors. It may be a long shot, but well worth it, IMO and others much smarter than I.

He needs to be sent to the Hague and so do his co-horts. An election will not change their crimes against humanity. Do we let those slide on the chance that we can elect better next year? 2008? That's just not acceptable in any way. How many more lives lost are acceptable on a chance over a year away? None.

I personally do not want to wait until he's dropped more radiation on civilization in the form of a massive nuke. He now has more power in that area also.

It just can not wait until 2006 or 2008.

BigJohnBear posted that 59,000 hit the Downing Minutes page over the weekend.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x3759068

This is great news! Now we must keep doing our part and get more signatures. The more signatures he has to back him up, the better our chances are of sending * and co. to the Hague.

And to those with the fear of retribution if they sign,

Please keep in mind that those with a fear of signing due to a fear of retribution are the exact reason we MUST keep this going!

How can this remain America if there is fear generated by a petition for signatures???!!!

Has this ever happened in our history? Joseph McCarthy? Anyone know?

If you haven't signed or passed it on yet:

http://www.johnconyers.com /

Thanks DU for all you are doing!

This is what patriotism is all about.


:hi: :woohoo: :yourock:

[oldtime dfl_er]

1. Thanks , I signed

and passed it along.

www.cafepress.com/showtheworld

[dweller]

2. for those who are worried,

keep in mind these wise words: You have nothing to fear, but fear itself. FDR

or these: Ooogah Boogah! Dick Cheney


personally, if i'm that important for these criminals to come after, hell i consider it an honor.

bring it on.
dp

[Mnemosyne]

4. LOL good one!

:headbang: :kick:

[orleans]

28. even i signed it and i have never signed a petition that would go

to any of the major criminals. but i felt this was so important--it is, after all, how an impeachment begins.

and i look at it this way--let's get this fu*ker out of the white house!

[Tux]

Fake addresses and names

Can't find you if they don't know you.

[Mnemosyne]

9. But if the signatures ended up needing verified

for some dumb ass reason...

:shrug: :hi:

[Tux]

11. Could use real addresses

Hell, gov won't find me once the Christians start to fire up the furnances to kill us all.

[Mnemosyne]

14. Or try to take us to a camp!

I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry at your statement!:shrug: :hi:

[Mojorabbit]

18. That would be

the worst thing anyone could do. I can see the spin now. No, real name or don't sign.

[Tux]

21. 2 other options

Camps or furnance.

[frictionlessO]

43. Don't sign it then!!! Trust me Conyers does not want your fake ass name on

there!!! If something big does happen with this letter the enemy will go through it with a fine tooth comb alright, but to look for fake fuckin' names like the one that you used!!! They will then add them all together double the amount and state that there was probably a lot more fake fuckin' sigs in there that they just couldn't find!!!! There by null and voiding this letter in the MSM, CSM and general publics mind!!!

Hey thanks a lot for helping out the agitprops!!
:banghead:

[Tux]

46. Angry much?

With that attitude, I can see why Dems lost last election. We're too busy bitching at each other.

[frictionlessO]

47. Uhmm nope. Honestly frustrated?? Oh Hell yes!!

Listen sorry I flew abit off the handle there, sincerely.

You have to know that signing a fake name harms this cause, right?

Dems didn't lose, or do you actually trust and believe what you were told on the one hand while being so paranoid about the same people on the other that you refuse to sign your real name to a letter you purportedly believe in??

now Im just confused...

[shraby]

3. If all the Du'ers would sign, it would put him

over the top. C'mon you lounge denizens, off the couch and onto the petition.

[Mnemosyne]

8. And to their address books!

Thanks for the motivation speech! Get 'em! LOL:hi: :woohoo:

[RAF]

5. I totally agree with this

Sign the petition. Together we will make a difference.

[Mnemosyne]

10. So glad you agree, yes, we can make a difference together! n/t

:hi:

[teach1st]

6. I wish I could have digitally enlarged my signature...

...ala John Hancock.

[Mnemosyne]

12. Too bad we can't skywrite in permanent "ink" over the WH!

:hi:

[rodeodance]

7. got it

[Mnemosyne]

13. That's great rodeodance!

:yourock:

[MelissaB]

15. Please keep in mind ...

"Please keep in mind that those with a fear of signing due to a fear of retribution are the exact reason we MUST keep this going!"

kicking

[Duer 157099]

17. me too me too me too

"Please keep in mind that those with a fear of signing due to a fear of retribution are the exact reason we MUST keep this going!"

That sentiment was exactly why I signed. I am a coward by nature, but over the past few years I've come to the position that I'd rather die on my feet than live on my knees (that's a paraphrase from someone, don't know the exact quote).

[sarcasmo]

16. Proudly signed by this DU Patriot.

[Turn CO Blue]

19. I will be honest -- at first I was AFRAID to sign...

but then I thought, "I'm not gonna let these a$$wipes scare me anymore!" I have questions! I have legitimate concerns! I want some answers and I want an impeachment hearing!

$350 BILLION DOLLARS, for Pete's sake.
Over 1,600 soldiers dead, plus untold numbers of Iraqi's!

What
the
Fuck!?!

This is NOT the government I voted for, and these are NOT the kind of programs that I want my hard-earned tax dollars going for!

Yeah, I signed.

I pulled my scaredy-cat little self out of my scaredy-cat little corner, and I signed my real name and address to the damned petition -- and I will pray hourly to the God of the Universe that something comes of it!

/RANT

[lonestarnot]

20. Well can we sign about 55 times?

[IndyOp]

22. Why is anyone more afraid to sign this than any of the petitions

circulated by MoveOn, NRDC, ACLU, PlannedParenthood or the like? I'm genuinely interested in knowing. I already signed the letter.

:kick:

[kster]

23. I'm not a tough guy,

but after what he did to the kids (military). I would gladly deliver my signature personally to * . They are few, we are many, sign the petition.

[Tsiyu]

24. Look at it this way

If it was possible to sign a petition against Hitler before the Death Camps started, would you have done it? Or would you have hidden in your house, hoping against hope that no one would come for YOU if you just kept quiet?

Maybe it's not that serious. Maybe it is.

I signed it. And I'm no more than an itty bitty woman with barely a pot to you-know-what in. Fear is bullshit.
Be brave. Do something for someone besides yourself. Do this for your kids or your grandkids or for yourself. Just, please, do it.

*nag off*

:kick:

[Berserker]

26. Real Name Real Address

I am NOT ashamed or afraid of what I believe in.

[Tsiyu]

30. Same here

if we go down, we'll be in good company!

[Hun Joro]

25. Signed it and passed on

to family and to the members of my local democratic club who are online. I had to twist my mother's arm a little to sign it because she was afraid to give her name and address for fear that she would not be allowed to fly, etc. What have we come to, that people are afraid to exercise freedom of speech? Anyway, she did sign after I managed to convince her of the importance.

[SummerGrace]

27. In the spirit of Rosa Parks...

I signed Mr. Conyer's petition with my real name, address, and email address. sg

[dweller]

29. this thread ROCKS!

:kick:

for all the signees!!

:thumbsup:

dp

[nannah]

31. i signed

although, this administration is scary. as an activist and organizer of Bostor War Tax Resistance in the 60's in Boston, i was observed, my mail opened and my phone tapped. later i had confirmation of all this when I got my file from foia. i felt bolder and less vulnerable then. now...things seem more weird!

[lumpy]

32. I signed, but...

I hate giving out info on the net. As for fear of retribution for expressing my opinion, I figure John Conyers is more importment than me in that department. This sort of action has to be done..now.

[calimary]

33. Kicked, nominated, and signed (well, a few days ago).

Gladly and eagerly. Repeat after me: Impeachment IS an Option...

[lakeguy]

34. signed. nt

[Beam Me Up]

35. Yes, I signed and sent to my list. Now I guess I need to follow up.

I'm surprised that this hasn't gotten 100,000 signatures already. That really shouldn't be that difficult. I don't buy the 'fear of retribution' excuse. What we need to fear is allowing these psychopaths to continue occupying the highest offices of our nation. On every significant level, THEY are THE #1 threat to our national security.

[lumpy]

36. I do think some people are afraid to sign.

Unfortunatly. I must admit I feel sqeamish about it, and I shouldn't because I want what is best for my country. What is best for our country is the truth and I am willing to do my part to that end. Let's kick this up for the sake of that truth.

[Beam Me Up]

44. Of course. But my point is their fear is misplaced. What they

should be afraid of is allowing these monsters to continue in their roles. This is the greater danger to their security. Every day we allow them to stay in power, the more difficult and risky it becomes to confront them. And believe me, they (and I mean more than the Bush administration--the fascist national security state) are not going to let go of their grasp of power simply because we do not like them. We are going to have to confront them:

...knowledge brings responsibility. If we acknowledge that an inner circle of ruling elites controls the world's most powerful military and intelligence system; controls the international banking system; controls the most effective and far-reaching propaganda network in history; controls all three branches of government in the world's only superpower; and controls the technology that counts the people's votes, we might be then forced to conclude that we don't live in a particularly democratic system. And then voting and making contributions and trying to stay informed wouldn't be enough. Because then the duty of citizenship would go beyond serving as a loyal opposition, to serving as a "loyal resistance"—like the Republicans in the Spanish Civil War, except that in this case the resistance to fascism would be on the side of the national ideals, rather than the government; and a violent insurgency would not only play into the empire's hands, it would be doomed from the start.

Forming a nonviolent resistance movement, on the other hand, might mean forsaking some middle class comfort, and it would doubtless require a lot of work. It would mean educating ourselves and others about the nature of the truly apocalyptic beast we face. It would mean organizing at the most basic neighborhood level, face to face. (We cannot put our trust in the empire's technology.) It would mean reaching across turf lines and transcending single-issue politics, forming coalitions and sharing data and names and strategies, and applying energy at every level of government, local to global. It would also probably mean civil disobedience, at a time when the Bush regime is starting to classify that action as "terrorism." In the end, it may mean organizing a progressive confederacy to govern ourselves, just as our revolutionary founders formed the Continental Congress. It would mean being wise as serpents, and gentle as doves.

It would be a lot of work. It would also require critical mass. A paradigm shift.

Paranoid Shift

[Mnemosyne]

45. Great points made Beam!

Thank you for these points.

The paradigm MUST shift and if we do not cause it, who is going to?

I already live below poverty level, but I am willing to sacrifice even more to bring this regime to it's knees, if it will stop this "war" and save lives.

Vive la resistance!!:toast: :hi: :kick:

[cry baby]

37. I sisgned days ago, I am not afraid...

I would do more if I could.

[Mnemosyne]

41. Just pass it on cry,

and keep it out there!

:woohoo: :hi: :kick:

[davekriss]

38. I signed on Saturday and emailed my list (n/t)

[Mnemosyne]

42. Great davekriss!

I sent to my list Fri. night. If just a couple people sign from each of everyone's lists, ripple! :woohoo:

:hi:
:kick:

[Wilms]

39. yep n/t

[radfringe]

40. signed it a few days ago

and blasted e-mail w/link to my friends

[dooner]

48. Afraid to sign?

I'm shocked that people would actually be afraid to sign a letter to our president, written by a member of our congress. If you think your name and address on a letter is incriminating in some way, you are truly living in a fantasy.

Because the reality is, you should be paranoid that any political memberships or affiliations, your library records, websites visited, any/all email correspondence, videos rented, DVDs purchased, political contributions, and even IM postings could now or in the future be stored in your "file" for use against you. Your ISPs and librarians are fighting hard to protect our privacy, but it is hanging by a thin thread under this administration.

Drawing the line on your commitment to democracy over a letter of this importance, seems absurd to me.

Get over it folks, "they" already know who you are.

[torque]

49. Sign them all please, it's your DUTY! n/t

[Pooka Fey]

50. I signed it - name & address and HELL YEAH I'm scared!!!

Fascists are scary and anyone who isn't scared by the BFEE is either dumb or lying.

I've read somewhere that the definition of courage is being scared about something, and doing it anyway.

If anyone is too scared to sign their real name, then DON'T SIGN IT!!! Just tuck your little yellow-ass tail between your legs and feel good about how wise you were when the storm-troopers come in the night to take away your neighbors. Jeeeez. :mad:

[ISUGRADIA]

51. OK he gets 100,000 or let's say 10,000,000 signatures

this causes nothing to happen process wise. The Repubs are not going to start hearings because of a petition. It's only when Bush's ratingsstart going down into the low 30s, 20s a la Nixon, Repub candidates are down in the polls because of Bush, and Repubs feel they may lose elections that anything will happen.

Please sign, but this is more of a way for Conyers to names for his mailing list than anything.