Bush Must Have Known!

[spooked911]

from Paul Thompson, author of "The Terror Timeline", the definitive book on 9/11 and proprietor of the website http://www.complete911timeline.org/:

Sometimes the stuff I find amazes even me. For instance, this entry which I just wrote up today and haven't put on line yet:

Early September 2001
Phone Call Warning of Big Event in the US in Coming Days Is Just One of Many Such Warnings Recorded by CIA
A few days before 9/11, an Islamic radical named Mamdouh Habib is in Pakistan and calls his wife in Australia. Her phone is being monitored by Australian intelligence. In the conversation he says that something big is going to happen in the US in the next few days. He is later arrested after 9/11 and is held by the US in the Guantanamo prison before finally being released in 2005. He is released because his captors eventually decide that he didn't have any special foreknowledge or involvement in the 9/11 plot. He had been in Afghanistan training camps and had picked up the information there. The New York Times paraphrases an Australian official, "Just about everyone in Kandahar (Afghanistan) and the Qaeda camps knew that something big was coming, he said. 'There was a buzz.'" (York Times, 1/29/05) Furthermore, according to The Australian, this call "mirrored several other conversations between accused terrorists that were tapped around the same time by the Pakistani Internal Security Department on behalf of the CIA." This was part of what the CIA called a sharp increase in "chatter" intercepted from operatives in terror training camps in Afghanistan and Pakistan in the days just before the attacks, alluding to an imminent big event. (Australian, 2/2/05)

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How could US intelligence possibly not know there was going to be an attack in the US within a matter of days after warnings like that? It seems knowledge of the attack was practically as common as dirt in parts of Afghanistan. US intelligence was listening very closely at the time. I've got a comment elsewhere from a National Security Council staffer pointing out that every phone line in Afghanistan was being tapped, every hotel in Pakistan was being bugged. In examples of just a few other entries I already have up:
- They overheard bin Laden tell his mother in law on the phone on September 9 that something big would be happening in two days.
- They knew from satellite surveillance that the Afghan training camps were moving in the days before the attacks.
- They overheard a message telling al-Qaeda operatives to return to Afghanistan by Sept. 10.
- They overheard a phone call from bin Laden shortly before September 11 contacting an associate in Pakistan, referring to an incident that would take place in the US on, or around 9/11, and then discussing possible repercussions.

The list just goes on and on. Yet nothing was done. Absolutely no warnings were given to airports, airlines, NORAD, the military, or any other first response defenders at all. Security was not stepped up at any likely targets. Top leaders were not warned. The only clear warning that we're absolutely sure of was given to Salman Rushdie, of all people, who wasn't allowed to fly in the US that week because the FAA told his publisher they had "intelligence of something about to happen." The FAA confirmed to the press that Rushdie was in fact warned.

I'd really like to see the usual incompetence theory defenders here defend all this as just more incompetence.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=41338&mesg_id=41338

[ewagner]

1. This one bothers me the most

They knew from satellite surveillance that the Afghan training camps were moving in the days before the attacks.

US Intelligence agencies MUST have know this AND passed the information to the highest levels of Government....which did nothing.

[spooked911]

2. The evidence is overwhelming the intelligence community knew

Just from this bit of info: every phone line in Afghanistan was being tapped, every hotel in Pakistan was being bugged

[lapfog_1]

9. Boy - if I was a high gov official - my hair would have been on fire

oh wait....

[lapfog_1]

10. Boy - if I was a high gov official - my hair would have been on fire

oh wait....

[XemaSab]

30. Exactly

like, duh, they knew where the al Qaeda camps were and did nothing?

They had OBL's phone tapped and did nothing?

[eternalburn]

3. The only reason for it.......

..... http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/2017044.stm

[ewagner]

4. Amazing!

this slipped almost totally under the MSM radar.....DU is the only place I read about it.

[Stephanie]

5. Bush did something. He went to the ranch. Got out of harm's way.

So did Cheney.

[VOX]

45. So did Ashcroft. He stopped taking commercial flights in July 2001.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml
Ashcroft Flying High
WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001
CBS) Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.
<snip>

[Botany]

6. In August of '01 ......

..... President Murbarrk (SP????) of Egypt called * and warned him of an
attack. * did nothing.

Ever wonder why he would not go under oath or on the record about
9/11?

[KurtNYC]

7. Of all the papers which could have run the story....

Murdoch's NY Post

[Jane Austin]

13. Is that a real Post cover?

If so, from when?

Thanks.

[KurtNYC]

22. Yes it is real

Around May 16, 2002.

I linked from here (scroll just below midway down - there is a lot of great art on there but this was no photoshop):
http://www.publicdomainprogress.info/archives/2004_03_01_archive.html

Other shots of same Post cover:
http://images.google.com/images?hl=en&lr=&q=bushknew&btnG=Search

edit: image would not cross-link

[Jane Austin]

28. Thanks, Kurt.

Love your Avatar.

[undeterred]

8. Thanks for posting this!

[Name removed]

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[Just Me]

12. How else were they gonna get the "Pearl Harbor" event they needed,...

,...to jump start the PNAC agenda?

I believe their complicity is becoming increasingly clear.

Appalling.

[Media_Lies_Daily]

14. They knew, and it was either LIHOP or MIHOP...take your choice.

[anarchy1999]

15. This is so tough. 9/11 was a wake up call we were not ready for.

We knew the moment it happened, it is LIHOP or MIHOP. No question.

It was a tough time for us all. Still is, waiting for all the sheeple to wake up before Rome burns.

on edit:
When Bush was selected by the "supremes", and he surrounded himself with relics from the basement of his father's regime I looked to my husband and said "we are going to war". God I wish I'd been wrong. I was taken by surprise though, I thought it was going to be Latin America first. Silly girl.

[LunaC]

16. When you put it all in chronological order

the Big Picture emerges and it's obvious to anyone with a brain that the whole damn thing was planned.

Check out the link in my sig line and you'll see their evil unfold right before your eyes.

[Just Me]

20. Solid summary.

Thanks. I'm printing it off for quick reference! :bounce:

[paulthompson]

42. Nice work

But you're missing lots of key stuff. Check out this link:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_911_timeline&geopolitics_and_9/11=centralAsia

Especially don't miss the PNAC document from September 2000.

[QueenOfCalifornia]

yep

Have you read; Why America Slept : The Failure to Prevent 9/11, by
GERALD POSNER?

It is about this very topic.

The Bush family and the Saudi Royals are one big Cabal.

In case someone reading this doesn't know what a Cabal is, here is the definition and it most certainly fits...

Cabal: Noun; the artifices and intrigues of a group of persons secretly united to bring about an overturn or usurpation especially in public affairs; also : a group engaged in such artifices and intrigues

Very good post. It is something that is of vital importance and yet, the non-media is not even mentioning it. Surprise. They are running like sheep, afraid of what Scott McClellan and the White House may do.... The Religious Right is scaring the shit out of the media.

What a bunch of ... Well, I shouldn't say it but I will... ASS HOLES.

[spooked911]

18. I haven't read Posner's book, but I've heard about it

Apparently he blames 9/11 mostly on the Saudis and simply lets off the US government with the charge of incompetence. But it can't have been simple incompetence, the evidence is too clear for foreknowledge by the government that something major was going to happen, and as Thompson points out, almost nothing was done. This can't be explained by mere incompetence, particularly in light of how the Bush administration benefited greatly from 9/11.

Overall, I prefer this book to Posner's:

[NJCher]

37. I heard Tarpley on WBAI the other day

He makes eminent sense. He explained how the U.S. is in control of what he calls the "shadow government." He went on to talk about the incident with the plane flying too close to the WH while bush was running in the park. He said, "This is the shadow government sending a message."

As much as I know about bushco, this interview gave me the chills like nothing else I'd seen or read to date.


Cher

[QueenOfCalifornia]

17. yep and then...

I was trying to be "nice."

[paulthompson]

19. Thanks Spook

for posting this in the General Forum.

[spooked911]

21. No problem. I really thought it needed a wider audience.

And thanks for your post.

[leftofthedial]

23. move along

9-11 was clinton's fault

bush is a wise, moral, strong leader

move along

[DearAbby]

25. What is strange that even some of those on the left can not wrap

their minds around the MIHOP - LIHOP they can not believe that someone would be evil enough to do such a horrendous act. They would admit that B* Cabal is evil, but not to this extent. Somehow America is protected against a Hitler. One of his ilk would never be able to hold office.

When their eyes open to the truth, there will be hell to pay. Those that did this, and the media that covered it up.

Sometimes I am so scared, wondering if I should leave the country, then there are days, I am so angry. I want to see them go down, and will stay to see this happen...back and forth. It is very unsettling. The parallel between now and 1939 is striking.

Right now I am teetering on fear.

[leftofthedial]

26. I was a MIHOPer the moment I saw the 2nd plane hit the towers.

criminals stage a coup.

they'd do ANYTHING to make trillions and control the world's oil supply after peak oil.

ANYTHING.

9-11 was small potatoes compared to invading Iraq.

Invading Iraq was small potatoes compared to what else they will do and continue doing.

[BrklynLiberal]

36. That is exactly how I felt at that moment.

[FreedomAngel82]

40. I wasn't one until I researched it more

Then all the evidence just made me realize it. Seeing everything and reading about it. Then I got into the whole Bush family in general and everything from Prescott and WW2 to Poppy and Kennedy and Iran/Contra. So I do believe in a "shadow" government. I remember when the 5/11 plane thing happened and how strange it was. First of all I know that the Bush group love the number eleven. It's a powerful number in the spiritual world. Second of all I didn't buy the story of them either being lost or a student learning. When I was first learning to drive my dad signed my brother and I up for a driving class at the college I now attend and whenever I was at the wheel, even on test day, I wasn't allowed to do ANYTHING without the instructor saying so, so that whole story is total bullshit. How can you be lost a hundred feet away from the White House? Couldn't you know where you are? I'm not an idiot y'know. They could've made something more believable up.

[Roland99]

24. Or, as in the recent evac. in D.C., was * kept in the dark?

Give him plausible deniability and let the PNAC work its magic behind the curtain?

[lyonn]

34. yeah, makes sense

They are getting ready for criminal charges or the impeachment process and this keeps Doofus out of the loop, clears him since he only does what he is told.

[NJCher]

38. see my post 37

Cher

[Deja Q]

27. Tell the people in power to do something about it.

We can't do anything and I'm tired of being emotionally dragged down by these people.

They're simply choosing to do nothing either. (which means I shall choose not to vote for them in the future.)

[Disturbed]

29. LIHOP- No doubt.

It is obvious that is was LIHOP.

The time lines of before and after leave no room for doubt about this.

[FreedomAngel82]

41. The people who can do something

aren't in power to do anything. They'd be destroyed for sure. I wish there could be something too. *sigh* It is very tiring and depressing.

[Just Me]

31. They knew.

The neoCONcriminals knew.

[OrlandoGator]

32. On 1 June 2001, NORAD procedures for hijackings were changed.

http://911research.wtc7.net/planes/analysis/norad/docs/intercept_proc.pdf

This document changed the way NORAD responded to "derelict" (hijacked or out of control) commercial airplanes. Instead of an automatic response of scrambling intercept fighters, the order to engage had to be delivered directly by the Secretary of Defense himself.

The kicker is that even after 9/11, this procedure was never changed back. Fucking frightening.

[Just Me]

33. What possible motivation underlies that procedural change?

:grr:

[Swamp Rat]

35. MIHOP

[FreedomAngel82]

39. NORAD was prepared

They even did practices leading up to it. But where were they on the actual day? I also remember reading how that week the FAA hired a brand new guy who didn't know what the hell he was doing.

[OrlandoGator]

46. Check the link in post #32.

It's amazing to me that this change in NORAD protocol three months before 9/11 hasn't been screamed from the mountaintops.

[thecai]

43. Project Echelon

I thought all cell phones, computers, ATMs, etc. were also monitored by Echelon Satellites PRIOR to 9/11.

[paulthompson]

44. Yep

Here's a little bit I have on Echelon:

Echelon Intelligence Network Used on al-Qaeda
By the 1980's, a high-tech global electronic surveillance network shared between the US, Britain, Canada, Australia, and New Zealand is gathering intelligence all over the world. The BBC describes Echelon's power as “astounding,” and elaborates: “Every international telephone call, fax, e-mail, or radio transmission can be listened to by powerful computers capable of voice recognition. They home in on a long list of key words, or patterns of messages. They are looking for evidence of international crime, like terrorism.” (BBC 11/3/99) One major focus for Echelon before 9/11 is al-Qaeda. A former staff member of the National Security council who regularly attended briefings on bin Laden later recalls that, "We are probably tapped into every hotel room in Pakistan. We can listen in to just about every phone call in Afghanistan." However, he and other critics claim one reason US intelligence fails to stop terrorism before 9/11 is too much of a focus on electronic intelligence gathering and not enough focus on human interpretation of that vast data collection. (Toronto Star, 2/2/02)

[thecai]

47. THAT Figures!

Excuses for U.S. Intelligence failure to stop terrorism before 9/11...
Riiiiiiiiiight!
When I first researched Echelon in the late 90's, there were only 4 stations in the world. Within approximately 2 years, there were 11. I recall a lady was put on a terrorist list because she stated in a cell-phone conversation that her "son really bombed in the school play", (meaning bad performance).
Thank you for posting that, PaulThompson

[thecai]

48. Kick n/t