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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 07:23 PM
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CATO calls the Bush Admin. "the dumb and the dumbest"
Edited on Sat Sep-20-03 07:27 PM by Woodstock
Likening Iraq to another Vietnam, and contrasting those who got us into Vietnam (the best and the brightest) - who the author points out had extenuating circumstances for doing so - to those in the Bush Admin. who got us into Iraq (the dumb and the dumbest) - who had absoultely none. This is a great opportunity for the right Democratic candidate to capture the votes of independents and disenchanted conservatives.

http://www.cato.org/dailys/09-20-03.html

Recognizing that the United States is gradually sinking into a military quagmire in Iraq, analysts have applied the historical analogy of the American intervention in Vietnam.

...Indeed, as they agonise over the failure of White House and Pentagon officials to anticipate the postwar predicament in Iraq, pundits have compared the architects of the military occupation of Iraq -- including Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, his deputy Paul Wolfowitz, National Security Adviser Condoleeza Rice and other members of the neo-conservative faction -- to the managers of US national security during the 1960s that had steered Presidents Kennedy and Johnson into Vietnam.

...it is important to stress some of the differences between those two military interventions.

First, taking place during the height of the Cold War, in which America confronted a nuclear-armed Soviet Union leading a powerful communist bloc, the decision to come to the aid of the pro-American South Vietnamese made strategic sense. After all, North Vietnam was controlled by a group of ardent communists, many of whom, including Ho Chi Minh, had been trained in the Soviet Union and China, and had strong political and military ties to those regimes.

...But contrary to some of the earlier suggestions by members of the current 'war party' in Washington, who have depicted the intervention in Iraq as an integral part of the war on terrorism, there were no ideological ties or military connection between President Saddam Hussein's Baath regime and Osama bin Laden's Al-Qaeda network and its Taleban backers.

In short, while backing South Vietnam was clearly an integral part of the rivalry between the US and the communist bloc, ousting Saddam and invading Iraq had nothing to do with the war on terrorism. In fact, as a result of the US occupation, Iraq has become a magnet for radical Islamic terrorists... the grand designs to democratise Iraq as part of an American-led crusade for freedom in the Middle East seem to be based on nothing more than wishful thinking.

...let us not insult the Best and the Brightest of the 1960s with those who accused Saddam of supporting Osama, who had promised to find weapons of mass destruction (WMD) in Iraq, and who were so sure that Americans would be welcomed as 'liberators' in Iraq and succeed in making the country a model of democracy for the entire Middle East. The Dumb and the Dumbest sounds a more appropriate title for the current crew.
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quinnox Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 07:28 PM
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1. I agree
And I love the last line, lol, how true. Cato Institute people sometimes do excellent analysis.
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oasis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 07:29 PM
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2. Stay home ultraconservatives,or run your own candidate on election day.
Edited on Sat Sep-20-03 07:30 PM by oasis
:-)
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w4rma Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 04:06 PM
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9. Paleo-Conservatives vs. Neo-Conservatives
Edited on Sun Sep-21-03 04:06 PM by w4rma
The Paleo-Conservatives agree with Dems on some parts of economics, while being opposed on most parts of social issues.

Neo-Conservatives are the worst of every camp. Imperialistic, royalistic, anti-democratic, big-deficit and big-spending.
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unblock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 07:30 PM
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3. the dumb and the dimmest
although i'd wish it were the dumb and the mutest.

to even compare them with the best and the brightest....

the neo-crowd of anti-intellectual rightist think that intelligence, research, study, analysis, and thoughtfulness is good for one thing only: to provide loose cover for their otherwise naked ambitions, base desires, and evil intentions.
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 07:39 PM
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4. He slammed the Bush Admin. pretty hard in this article
That's worth noting. He's comparing the neo-cons to liberals, and the liberals came out on top in his analysis.
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 07:59 PM
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5. I predicted it would come to this! Libertarians against Bush's BIG GOVERN-
MENT! Way back the "Libertarians started to "hint" of getting on Bush's case" about their big bugaboo......BIG GOVERNMENT!

When last week some "think tank" (isn't it time to ditch all the 'Think tanks?) anyway some big "Think Tank" came out and said Bush's Government was BIGGER than all our Governments before....because of creation of Dept. of Homeland Security/PATRIOT ACT" and the other big Govt. Posts he's been proposing? All that 9/11 Extra Security has the Libertarians in a TIZZY!

OMG! Big Government is WORSE under BUSH....than under CLINTON! TRASH....FENZY....TRASH.....

Now if we could just get the RELIGOUS RIGHT (Falwell & Co.) on our side...we would have 2004 SEWN UP! Even if we frontlined a "DWARF!"

CATO's MANTRA: DO AWAY WITH GOVERNMENT! When Bush get's TOO BIG for his BRITCHES.......CATO starts to hyperventilate.....Too bad they didn't figure this out about the "Compassionate Conservative" when he STOLE THE ELECTION OF 2000! But, they are so wrapped up in their doctrine they can't see ahead more than one election..........
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 03:50 PM
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7. How about the enemy of my enemy is my friend?
I get CATO's shortcomings, but if they want to help us oust Bush for the good of the country, I'm not going to say no. We have to make sure the right candidate is put up there, but fortunately there are several good ones we are fielding.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-20-03 08:01 PM
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6. The Bush Reich is not conservative
It is a kleptocracy, pure and simple.
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 03:59 PM
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8. Patriots Unite To Defeat Bush
Boy those must be scary words to the treasonous Rove .

All those who love America The Constitution and our Soldiers
Will Unite to Defeat bush .

I may not agree on every point with all those who love America
but on 3 things we agree our love of love Freedom The Constitution and our Soldiers. This is why we are called the United States of
America .

Ousting bush in 04 is our Duty as Patriots !

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WaterDog Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 05:20 PM
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10. Requesting some education here--
Edited on Sun Sep-21-03 05:21 PM by WaterDog
So is Cato libertarian and "paleo-conservative" as mentioned above?
Could they really possibly prefer a Dem over Bush in 2004?
Why do all the Sunday am pundits still say Bush is almost unbeatable? or at least greater than 50% for reelection?
In the face of everything, why do so many believe that?

Thanks
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proud patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 05:23 PM
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11. They don't believe it but They want to convince you
that he unbeatable .
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Bossy Monkey Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 05:31 PM
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12. Yes, no, because they're bought-and-paid-for liars, and because believing
whatever crap comes from the tv/radio is easier than thinking, respectively.

Hard right Libertarians aren't ever going to get behind any Democrat, but if they lend their money and support to, say, Pat Buchanan in a big way, they might be able to influence a close election.
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Woodstock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 11:29 PM
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13. I know some CATO types who are ready to vote for the right Dem
Some of them actually view themselves as Independents. But even the hardcore conservatives don't view Bush as conservative, rather "neo-con" - the word they use with distaste. If we put up someone they view as centrist (I respectfully submit Howard Dean), then they'd be able to deal with some of the things they don't like with the Democratic platform. The war in Iraq/disastrous foreign policy is perceived as something that must be stopped.
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Dr Fate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 11:38 PM
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14. I respect "some" or "many" Libertarians...
...we even have a few fine suspects here at DU!

I hope they can help us defeat Bush in 2004...
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Sep-21-03 11:51 PM
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15. Suspects? Might that be?????
Oh Well.....maybe there are Liberal Libertarians! LOL's
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