How would you respond to metaphysics who spout it's all karmic.....

[Sierra925]

I am not into the left/right thing, nor am I into the Liberal and Conservative polarity game. A ball only has a left and right side from the observerÕs perspective. In other words right and left are in the mind of the observer not a part of the ball which has no sides; because it is all one continuous surface each point equal from the center.

I like Identity without borders rather than a label dominant society.

Why limit yourself and label yourself as conservative or liberal? Why separate yourself from others? I consider myself neither liberal nor conservative. In fact I celebrate the positive aspects of both sides. I believe in both Economic freedom and personal freedom and relish both, and because I cling to neither I am free to discard economic and personal control and suppression.

I see clearly how labels are used to divide mySelf and create separation. The nationÕs people end up spending all their energy fighting amongst themselves rather than dealing with the propagators of ignorance.

There is this game played where there is the shifting of blame between democrats and republicans when they are really part of the same enterprise, and this enterprise then avoids blame. The abuse by individuals of this structure called government continues unabated no matter which group is in power and this is because it is a vast criminal empire, subtle in itÕs manner and method.

[knowbody0]

1. it's called divide and conquer

and it's working well.

[Stirk]

2. There are no positive elements of US conservatism in 2005.

But I'd be very interested in hearing what part of their ethos appeals to you.

[Sierra925]

4. 'propagators of ignorance' ??

I should have quoted the post....it's not how I think. In fact, who are the "propagators of ignorance" but the rightwing.

[newyawker99]

12. Hi Sierra925!!

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

[alcibiades_mystery]

7. No, don't you see

"Economic freedom" is the right wing value we should all love...:eyes:

[ashmanonar]

9. i'd say fiscal conservancy.

although that's not part of Republicanism, but a part of paleoconservativism.

[Jim Sagle]

3. Aummm!!!!!!!!!!

:boring:

[amazona]

5. well I don't respond by giving an entire post to their BS

My mom was once into this but the 80s are over, you know? All you gotta do is :eyes: at the mention of "karma," and they're pretty much busted as has-beens. And my mom has grown up, no doubt your New Age friends will too when they realize that the right is giving taxpayer money not to Buddha or Wicca but to Falwell. I find an amused contempt at silly belief is best because New Agers are (mostly) actually intelligent people seeking the truth. They will pick up and experiment with crap -- I did it too -- but give 'em room and they will move on. It's the Mormons and the fundies who are truly stuck on the Hal Lindsey/end of the world hysteria.

[alcibiades_mystery]

6. I would first inform them that they are metaphysicians

(although why the transformation metaphysicist doesn't apply remains a great mystery of grammar), and that metaphysics is what they study...

Then I'd say that the "No Labels" game is fine and dandy (though we do seem to "label" a center here, strangely enough), but is usually the conceit of those who hold positions for which labels don't have to matter. The whole argument seems childish to me, as if there are not real distinctions to be made, or articulations that cut across real lines. When people with real interests are fighting for their lives, they don't have the luxury of "Identities without borders," usually because the electrified fence between them and the food they need is indeed a real border, regardless of our airy metaphysician's pretentions to airy identities. How would I respond? I'd respond by saying grow the fuck up.

[amazona]

10. best quote on DU ever

How would I respond? I'd respond by saying grow the fuck up.

Go, you! I don't know how many times I bit my lip while my mom was going through this phase. Parents laugh at kid's phases, but you know, we kids get a few laughs in too.

[welshTerrier2]

8. "Identity without borders"

welcome to DU, Sierra925 !!

the Real ID card America's right-wing is going to make you carry will give you an identity without borders ... no matter where you go, they'll know it ... no matter what you say or do, they'll know it ... even when you soar over those great astral planes, they will see you ...

i have traveled into a "spirtual mind" from time to time but i cannot turn my back on the tangible world when i see so much evil and suffering ... when a government promotes the use of nuclear weapons; when they condone torture; when they begin a broad campaign of suppressing individual liberties, they must be stopped ...

if you can manage that from the full lotus position, i'm with you all they way ...

[Tamyrlin79]

11. Your duty isn't necessarily to pick a label...

Our duty as spiritual beings is to seek justice and stand for the truth. Doing so means declaring a position on that basis, because some speak the truth, while others do not. Siding means that you will be labeled according to the "side" chosen to represent or be closest to the truth. Once that faction/side becomes big enough to have an impact, people will name it simply to talk about it. Better to name yourself, but if you don't someone will, perhaps those who oppose you. People like naming things so they can talk about them. It is hard to discuss a group of people who do not have a word for their collective reference. It is a shorthand that necessarily limits the multi-dimensional aspects of our individual selves. But, on the collective/group level it is not individual identity that is being referred to. Rather, it is the commonality, the adherance by all included individuals to a particular belief or stance, that is being referred to by any such label. So, don't take offense. Just support the truth and truthtellers, justice and justice seekers, in your actions, and let people call you what they will, as beyond that it does not matter.