Sheeeeiiiiittt... You have GOT to read this LTTE in my paper:

[SmileyBoy]

Maybe I'm the kind of person who responds to these outrages (*, neo-cons, the media, religious nuts) with humour instead of anger, because I was ROLLING ON THE FLOOR LAUGHING MY FUCKING ASS OFF (ROTFLMFAO) at this:

Rev. Dennis ******** letter: Women in men's clothes is an evil

The Forum
Published Thursday, June 02, 2005

There is one evil so prevalent that few, if any, preachers have mentioned, and that is: women dressed in men's apparel. It is an evil that is evident in women of all ages, shapes and sizes. Very seldom do you see a woman or a girl wearing a dress.

The word of God says in Deuteronomy 22:5, "The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment. For all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God."

Being an abomination to God carries the penalty of eternal hell fire. For we read in Revelation 21:8, "But the fearful and unbelieving and the abominal and murderers and whoremongers and sorcerers and idolators and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone."

Now I think all women should be told this, so they can give up this abominable practice so they will not lose their souls over it.


Rev. Dennis ********

Hannaford, N.D.

http://www.in-forum.com/articles/index.cfm?id=93755§ion=Opinion

EDITED: Added link

[Erika]

1. link please n/t

[Bhaisahab]

2. what do these people smoke?

(it certainly aint gaanja)

[wtmusic]

3. Jesus never wore pants

but I think it would be cruel to sentence him to eternal hell fire, after all he went through

[leftofthedial]

4. Gawd-weh spoketh unto me verily in a waking dream

and HE said that what HE really meant was that men should not wear maxipads and that women should not wear those baseball batting helmets modified with the cans of beer and straws.

Unlike the Reverend's babbling, this is the direct WORD of HE who is most holy.

Gawd-weh also said that the Reverend is a closeted pedophile and homosexual mule fucker. Big surprise there, eh?

Gawd-weh now returns you to your regular programming. All praise be unto Gawd-weh.

[Warpy]

5. Katherine Hepburn said it best

"Men who prefer skirts should try wearing them."

She pioneered the wearing of slacks. I've been grateful to her all my life.

[iverglas]

43. and then there was Ginger Rogers ;)

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/f/faithwhitt125666.html

Remember, Ginger Rogers did everything Fred Astaire did,
but she did it backwards and in high heels.
-- Faith Whittlesey

Most of us figure we can live without the aggravation.

We're already handicapped in most things we do. As Charlotte Whitton the mayor of Ottawa (the capital of Canada) in the 1950s, said:
http://womenshistory.about.com/library/qu/blquwhit.htm

Whatever women do they must do twice
as well as men to be thought half as good.
Luckily, this is not difficult.

Whitton was a feminist on economic issues, but a reactionary on "social" issues. (Although she was a leading children's rights advocate in her previous profession.) She thought women should get equal pay, but opposed but mothers should stay home with children. I don't think you'd have found her out and about in trousers. In 1999, a box of her personal papers that she had directed be kept sealed until then was opened, and letters were found that appear to confirm what had long been thought -- that she was a lesbian, and that her long relationship with her companion "Mardie" was a committed and loving one.

[Vyan]

6. Other Bible Abominations...

The best list of which I heard on the West Wing (Details of Passages Referenced by Me):

President BARTLET
Good. I like your show. I like how you cal homosexuality an abomination.

JENNA JACOBS
I don't say homosexuality is an abomination, Mr. President. The Bible does.

BARTLET
Yes, it does. Leviticus.

JENNA JACOBS
18:22

BARTLET
Chapter and verse. I wanted to ask you a couple of questions while I had you here. I'm interested in selling my youngest daughter into slavery as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. <"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she shall not go out as the male slaves do.>

(small chuckles from the guests)

She's a Georgetown sophomore, speaks fluent Italian, and always clears the table when it was her turn. What would a good price for her be? While thinking about that, can I ask another? My Chief of Staff, Leo McGarry, insists on working on the Sabbath, Exodus 35:2, clearly says he should be put to death (Six days shall work be done, but on the seventh day you shall have a holy sabbath of solemn rest to the LORD; whoever does any work on it shall be put to death) Am I morally obligated to kill him myself or is it okay to call the police? Here's one that's really important, 'cause we've got a lot of sports fans in this town. Touching the skin of a dead pig makes us unclean, Leviticus 11: 7. (And the swine, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.) If they promise to wear gloves, can the Washington Redskins still play football? Can Notre Dame? Can West Point? Does the whole town really have to be together to stone my brother, John, for planting different crops side by side? Can I burn my mother in a small family gathering for wearing garments made from two different threads?

Jenna Jacobs fidgets uncomfortably

More...

Leviticus 20:13 - If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall be put to death, their blood is upon them.

Leviticus 20:10 - "If a man commits adultery with the wife of his neighbor, both the adulterer and the adulteress shall be put to death.

Leviticus 11:42 - Whatever goes on its belly, and whatever goes on all fours, or whatever has many feet, all the swarming things that swarm upon the earth, you shall not eat; for they are an abomination.

Leviticus 7:21 - And if any one touches an unclean thing, whether the uncleanness of man or an unclean beast or any unclean abomination, and then eats of the flesh of the sacrifice of the LORD's peace offerings, that person shall be cut off from his people."

Leviticus 12:2 - Say to the people of Israel, If a woman conceives, and bears a male child, then she shall be unclean seven days; as at the time of her menstruation, she shall be unclean. 5 - But if she bears a female child, then she shall be unclean two weeks, as in her menstruation; and she shall continue in the blood of her purifying for sixty-six days.

Leviticus 18:29 - For whoever shall do any of these abominations, the persons that do them shall be cut off from among their people.

It's interesting to note the Jesus of Nazereth, the namesake of modern-day Christianity, did not even address the subject of homosexuality - nor does the Ten Commandments, although both did address the subject of Adultery.

Matthew 5:32 - But I say to you that every one who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity, makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.
Leviticus says that we should put adulterers to death, while Jesus says that anyone who gets a divorce and then remarries - is an Adulterer.

So should everyone who is on their second, third or forth marriage be executed for crimes against God? Clearly we haven't taken this set of scriptures completely to heart - we do not put people to death for getting a divorce and then marrying again.

Vyan

[NMMNG]

8. I just love when Bartlett puts that stuffy b*tch in her place!

I just imagine him putting all those tight-arsed fundies in line with that speech...

[REP]

14. Sorkin's Source

The West Wing episode entitled "The Midterms"
Written by: Aaron Sorkin

"A talk show host defends calling homosexuality an 'abomination' by saying
that is what the Bible says in Leviticus 18:22 (That verse, by the way, reads: 'You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; such thing is an abomination.') This annoys President Bartlet who proceeds to ask a few pointed questions about just what one should accept from the Bible."

"Refreshingly candid exec producer Aaron Sorkin admits he lifted the diatribe from a much forwarded anonymous email. . . . Sorkin, who hoped to give credit, says they 'cast a fairly wide net, but we didn't find the author'.''-


Dear Dr. Laura,
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's law. I have learned a great deal from you, and I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend homosexuality, for example, I will simply remind him or her that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.
I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other laws in Leviticus and Exodus and how to best follow them.

When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Leviticus 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this?

I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as stated in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Leviticus 15:19-24). The problem is, how can I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

Leviticus 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify?

I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?

A friend of mine says that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Leviticus 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this?

Leviticus 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's Word is eternal and unchanging

[MercutioATC]

7. The BEST site for bible quotes:

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/

[orleans]

9. yeah-us

[Vanje]

10. Isnt that special.

nt

[lady lib]

11. Apparently, they have outgoing mail from the Hannaford asylum

for the religiously insane.

:rofl:

[SmileyBoy]

13. No, I think the asylum is in Jamestown...

:D:D:D

[Nostradammit]

12. J. Edgar is FRYING, then -

If this Reverend Dennis is truly on to something...

[Fridays Child]

15. So does this guy walk around in rough woolen robes or a loincloth?

Pants are not approved in Deuteronomy. :eyes:

[Snotcicles]

16. In Dennykiss 11:33 it also says

Women of all shapes and size shall not wear panties underneath those dress and must sit as close to the alter as possible during services.

[TWiley]

17. Was that Rev Dennis or Rev DumbAss?

Where do the church people find these idiots?

I bet he would like to stone women to death for violating his biblical code.

[SmileyBoy]

18. Remember, this is Hannaford, North Dakota - Population 181.

There's probably 8 or 9 churches in that town.

[Bridget Burke]

25. There are 13 Churches in Hannaford.

That's 7 Lutheran, 2 Catholic, 2 Evangelical Free, 1 Presbyterian & 1 Assembly of God. Although one of the Lutheran churches has an address of "Rural"--guess it's in the Greater Hannaford area.

http://hannafordnd.com/index.html

But most of the people of Hannaford probably consider this guy the village idiot. Do you think the ladies wear dresses when they go out to tend the livestock in the dead of a North Dakota winter? They may be rural but they aren't stupid.

[TWiley]

38. It is sad when religion takes over a small town.

Maybe it gives them a framework to compete within. Who is the holiest, and who knows the most bible passages. How would a village survive without this activity?

Their general argument is that without religious influence, people would be running naked in the streets and murdering at whim.

My feeling is that Hannaford probably has nice people living in it, and they would still have nice people living in it without the religious malarkey.

[Bridget Burke]

48. If you check out the website....

You'll see that they have other groups, as well. Social, fraternal, etc.

If they choose to attend church--it's up to them. There's no proof the idiot referred to in this thread represents the views of the majority of folks living in Hannaford.

[TWiley]

39. 181 people and somebody strives to become King.

His argument seems to be more about gaining power over other people through fear than any example of tending to God's business.

Maybe he is hoping that a gust of wind will bless his little soul with a glorious beaver shot.

[Blue Gardener]

19. Gee, sure glad he passed along that information

Now I know why I'm going to lose my soul.
You can always pick out the "uniform" of the fundie women around here. Long denim skirt, conservative blouse, white anklets and tennis shoes. I think I'll pass on that fashion statement.:puke:

[TWiley]

40. I wonder which debutante started the trend.

I mean, white anklets! That is throwing all caution to the wind.

BTW, is an anklet the same thing as a "Bobby Sock"?

[LostinVA]

20. Several kilt-wearing Scots in my family would take issue

With the stark-raving mad Reverend.

[RPM]

21. use the douche's name

here it is - find him on www.zabasearch.com

Rev. Dennis Anundson
Hannaford, N.D.

[tanyev]

22. Christian Burkhas coming soon to a Wal-Mart near you.

[radwriter0555]

23. "People are allowed to be mentally ill" is all I gotta say..

The guy is fucking nuts.

[matcom]

24. One Halloween I was dressed up as a Pregnant Nun

and bartended all night :D

[Misunderestimator]

30. It's hellfire for you, boy!

[Me.]

26. Someone Should Tell Shrub

that his pantsuit wearing Pickles is doomed.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

27. This Just In

180 embarrassed people leave Hannaford.... Claim they never met Rev. Dennis.... Four dots between each statement....

:D

[lady lib]

28. Headline: Mass exodus turns Hannaford into ghost town.

Rev. Dennis seen throwing dresses at his embarrassed relatives as they flee the area.

[SalmonChantedEvening]

31. But keeping that black strapless number for those "special nights"

:D

[Misunderestimator]

29. "Eternal Hell Fire" ... good, I like a warm climate.

[peekaloo]

32. Hmmmm.....Bohemian Grove comes to mind for some reason. nt

[meganmonkey]

33. What if the skirt is 4" above the knee, with a tight v-neck shirt and

push-up bra?

Will that pass muster?

:evilgrin:

[aeolian]

42. Yes. Yes it will.

:evilgrin:

[rockedthevoteinMA]

34. Why doesn't Rev. Denny get back to me after wearing a dress all

day... and I'd like a report on how he felt wearing one, in windy, cold weather.

[Triana]

35. I like men in skirts...

http://myweb.tiscali.co.uk/talendor/gallery1.html

...and they've been wearing them for ages. I own a couple dresses but haven't worn one of them in 15 years. They're well out of style by now. I just haven't gotten around to hauling them to Goodwill or making carwash rags of them yet.

Oh. My. I guess I'm gonna go to Hell now. *yawn*.

Seriously, this guy needs to inventory his brain cells. I think he's missing a few.

[GOPBasher]

36. LMFAO!

:rofl:

[Javaman]

37. Well, that's it, I no longer am buying L.L. Bean for their unisex clothing

How am I to feel if both sex's can wear the same clothing with out it having a "he" or a "she" label on it? Oh my God, what am I to do?

Once again, yet another colossal religious rw nutjob asshole.

"Honey, my I borrow your scarf?"

"no, you can't dear, it's pink!"

[sellitman]

41. It wasn't Bin Laden.......it was a Lady in a dress!!!!!!

No wonder * is having so much trouble catching the perpetrators.

:rofl:

[Catma]

44. Awww Crap!

Well I guess I'm going to hell. Who wants to break it to the Scots?

[funflower]

45. Welcome to DU, Catma!

Too bad about the Scots (those girlie men).

:hi:

[brooklynite]

46. Okay then, in biblical times...

did women go for paisley print dresses, or was a nice skirt and blouse acceptable? And did men opt for oxford button-down shirts, over collar stays? (I assume the choice of bow ties vs. cravats was options?)

[lastliberalintexas]

47. Are you sure this letter writer was serious?

I do this all the time, just so you know. Most people, even the pseudo-Christians, have absolutely no freaking idea what all is contained within the OT books that they so gleefully point to in their condemnation of homosexuality. So in my conversations with people, I ask them if I can stone them myself, or whether I actually have to go through the process of setting up a public stoning for them wearing clothing of mixed cloth. Or I ask them how it feels to know that they'll be burning in Hell along with those awfuls fags for also committing an abomination before God (since eating shrimp and catfish is so very popular in my area).

There are many others as well, since if you've ever read Leviticus you also know that slavery is condoned, menstruating women must be isolated, meat of a non-cloven hoof is forbidden (or is it cloven? I always get mixed up!), etc.

It sounds to me like this guy was being a but subversive. :)

[benevolent dictator]

49. Hey, I love my MEN'S JEANS. They're union made and have

WAY better pockets. Since I don't carry a purse.... heheh.

Well, I guess it doesn't matter, since I already knew I was going to burn in hell for being a liberal athiest lesbian anyway...